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Silver Surfer
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Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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 Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 5:34 am Post subject: The Battle ...Between 2 Gods |
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Yes, there are 2 gods in the world, each wanting every person's worship & loyalty.
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Exodus 20:11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
The Creator, God.
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2 Cor. 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Satan.
Both beings, are capable of GREAT Power !
Both want to establish their ideas of how to live life, in human beings.
Both have different ideas about LAW.
One of them says Law, is for peace and happiness of mankind.
The other One says, Law will hinder ones pursuit of happiness and peace.
The entire Bible is based on the conflict of Law, between these 2 gods....from Genesis to Revelation.
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dabmci
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:15 am Post subject: Re: The Battle ...Between 2 Gods |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | Yes, there are 2 gods in the world, each wanting every person's worship & loyalty.
#1.)
Exodus 20:11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
The Creator, God.
#2.)
2 Cor. 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Satan.
Both beings, are capable of GREAT Power !
Both want to establish their ideas of how to live life, in human beings.
Both have different ideas about LAW.
One of them says Law, is for peace and happiness of mankind.
The other One says, Law will hinder ones pursuit of happiness and peace.
The entire Bible is based on the conflict of Law, between these 2 gods....from Genesis to Revelation. |
Silver Surfer,
But one of them is on a long chain and the other is holding the chain  Which one would you want to stand behind? |
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Silver Surfer
Emperor of the World
Joined: 12 Jul 2003
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Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:41 am Post subject: Re: The Battle ...Between 2 Gods |
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| dabmci wrote: | Silver Surfer,
But one of them is on a long chain and the other is holding the chain :lol: Which one would you want to stand behind? :lol: :lol: :lol: |
AH...But, who has the most followers, both in the world, including the Christian world ?
The vast majority, even in the Christian world, stand behind satan's banner.
Maybe that is why God said: 'satan, which deceives the whole world'.
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Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. |
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dabmci
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 11:01 am Post subject: Re: The Battle ...Between 2 Gods |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | | dabmci wrote: | Silver Surfer,
But one of them is on a long chain and the other is holding the chain Which one would you want to stand behind? |
AH...But, who has the most followers, both in the world, including the Christian world ?
The vast majority, even in the Christian world, stand behind satan's banner.
Maybe that is why God said: 'satan, which deceives the whole world'. |
Silver Surfer,
Its a heart issue between the God or god you serve and people, not me to decide. Look even the elect are deceived. Jesus saving me from myself was my only hope. I still to this day do things I know I should not do, and Jesus death on the cross did not make a excuse for me to continue sinning but the fact is I will continue to sin until I die. With that my heart is still bent on the GOD holding the chain. |
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Silver Surfer
Emperor of the World
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Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 11:23 am Post subject: Re: The Battle ...Between 2 Gods |
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| dabmci wrote: | | I still to this day do things I know I should not do, and Jesus death on the cross did not make a excuse for me to continue sinning but the fact is I will continue to sin until I die. With that my heart is still bent on the GOD holding the chain. |
There is a difference between committing known sin and committing UNknown sin.
Committing known sin results in eternal death, even for a person who thinks that they are a Christian.
Jesus Christ said: 'go and sin no more' (John 5:14 & 8:11)....showing that it is possible for a person to live a life without committing any known sin.
Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
The study of Romans chapter 6...tells us that Grace, is the ability, to not commit known sin.
And that Grace, is freely given to each and every person on earth, who wants it.
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Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. |
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dabmci
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 12:02 pm Post subject: Re: The Battle ...Between 2 Gods |
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Silver,
Sooooooooo have you stop commiting known sins? White lies, inpure thoughts, being selfish, things of this nature?
(edit) No need to quote the whole post) Nobby |
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eleven
King of the Jungle
Joined: 28 Sep 2007
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Location: Texas
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:10 pm Post subject: Re: The Battle ...Between 2 Gods |
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| dabmci' wrote: |
Silver,
Sooooooooo have you stop commiting know sins? White lies, inpure thoughts, being selfish, things of this nature? |
Don't bother, he never answers that question.
Apparently as long as you worship on saturday, nothing else matters.
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Silver Surfer
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Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 8:04 pm Post subject: Re: The Battle ...Between 2 Gods |
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| dabmci wrote: | | Sooooooooo have you stop commiting know sins? White lies, inpure thoughts, being selfish, things of this nature? |
I'm in the process, of being saved, from such things.
Everyone has weak points in their character.
Mine may be different from yours, BUT we all have things that we need to work on.
Phil.2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
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dabmci
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:38 am Post subject: Re: The Battle ...Between 2 Gods |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | | dabmci wrote: | | Sooooooooo have you stop commiting know sins? White lies, inpure thoughts, being selfish, things of this nature? |
I'm in the process, of being saved, from such things.
Everyone has weak points in their character.
Mine may be different from yours, BUT we all have things that we need to work on.
Phil.2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. |
Well by looking at what you have post above, if you were to die today you would not make it because as you said, you are in the process of being saved from such things.
Wow. I guess Heaven will be very empty, because by that standard no one will be there.  |
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Silver Surfer
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Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:16 am Post subject: Re: The Battle ...Between 2 Gods |
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| dabmci wrote: | | Silver Surfer wrote: | | dabmci wrote: | | Sooooooooo have you stop commiting know sins? White lies, inpure thoughts, being selfish, things of this nature? |
I'm in the process, of being saved, from such things.
Everyone has weak points in their character.
Mine may be different from yours, BUT we all have things that we need to work on.
Phil.2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. |
Well by looking at what you have post above, if you were to die today you would not make it because as you said, you are in the process of being saved from such things.
Wow. I guess Heaven will be very empty, because by that standard no one will be there. :roll: |
For a person to say that they are 'saved'....means they no longer commit sin...any sin.
Salvation is 'from sin'......
Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
The only person who is saved from...their sin is the person who no longer commit any sin.
Because how can a person be saved (freed) from sin, if they are still committing sins ?
For example: if a person were drowning.
A person is 'saved' from drowning only, when they are not in the process of drowning anymore.
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keeperofthesabbath
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:20 am Post subject: |
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| Thats a great analogy.. |
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Evee
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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That makes sense Silver. However, some sins take a lifetime to overcome. What happens when the lifetime's over & there is no more time?
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Evee wrote: | | That makes sense Silver. However, some sins take a lifetime to overcome. What happens when the lifetime's over & there is no more time? |
The thief on the cross, falls into that category, I believe.
Jesus Christ knew his heart, and knew his future.
Had he not died on the cross , I think he may have been the 12th disciple, who knows ?
I do know for a fact, that the life of sin he had led in the past was behind him, and he would not have gone back to being a thief anymore.
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fallen4shell
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:05 am Post subject: |
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Silver Surfer
While much of what you say sounds very reasonable, I don't think that I can subscribe to your view on this particular subject....especially what you said about grace being the ability to no longer commit sin. If this is true, then we are forced to define specifically which actions are sin and which are not...and I just don't think that's possible on a universal plane. To attempt to do so would essentially mean reverting back to ancient Jewish law which dictates that if I shave the corners of my beard (Lev. 21:5) then I commit sin...therefore if I willfully shave the corners of my beard then I am commiting a "known" sin and cannot therefore, by your definition, be a recipient of the GRACE of God.
Personally, I believe that God is more interested in the condition of our hearts than any outward action that we can do or refrain from doing....it seems to me that that was the whole point of Jesus becoming the ultimate sacrifice in the first place....because no one could be "good enough" under the legalism of the law.
I do agree that it is possible to live without sin, and I sincerely believe that when God is finished "saving" me that I will be in that place.
To follow your analogy, I am still in deep water very much in danger of drowning. I believe that God is holding my head above water and keeping me from sinking completely. He is not just pulling me out of the water, though, because he wants to teach me how to swim. I can either kick and scream and fight him in an effort to try and keep myself afloat, or I can still my soul and completely trust in him to hold me up. I believe it is at that point of me yielding and trusting him that he can begin teaching me what he wants me to learn.
I do not consider myself to be "saved." God is in the process of saving me. |
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ShardikSon
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fallen4shell,
Wonderfully put.
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