So what is up with this Yehu? (attn: bigape)

Delph63 · Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:42 am Post subject:

Points well made Yehu...I am interested in understanding more of your faith...What is the structure of you ecclesia?..The "administrative" hierarchy, if can forgive using that word...

Delph

ShardikSon · Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:07 pm Post subject:

Well other than coming across as a little testy, sometimes, your posts are some of the more interesting I find here.

I am not hung up on a particular frame of thought, regarding one translation or another.

I am here to learn. Perhaps, if you have not done so already, you should publish your own translation. (If you have, already, I would love to add it to my collection.)
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Yehushuan · Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:43 pm Post subject:

Hi Delph,

My early years were spent within the Evangelical Congregational Church, being drug up and down the east coast to nary every hymn sing held. (My grandfather was a minister with the Church.) When 12, the current EC pastor decided to lambaste women from the pulpit as the creators of all evil (he wound up getting a divorce) so my mom took us all over to an Independent Fundament Church run by a former NJ State Police Trooper (who turned out to be her cousin). When 14 I found I could get a copy of the Greek manuscripts, and said ‘Hey, who wouldn’t?’ Well, They didn’t, and so I was disfellowshipped for one, going to a secular university (Drexel) and two, for reading the original Bible. (Ain’t that a hoot.)

Years later I wound up accompanying a friend (a “straight” Baptist) to a local Hagan Word of Faith Church (he hadn’t known this beforehand, but I suspected such). And decided to hang around at Sunday evening services, only to be gifted in tongues about 7 weeks later. So much to my reluctance I am “Pentecostal” but not by choice.

The first time I heard God’s voice, I nearly needed Depends®

Cut to the chase, any local gathering affiliated with The Y’shuan Fellowship has five Directors, none of which are called “pastor.” These are: Director of Evangelism, Director of Shepherding, Director of Teaching, Director of Prophecy, and Director of Apostolic Ministries, the last of which doesn’t quite have as detailed a mission statement as I would like.

Services are held “in the round,” rather than with a stage and audience. The baptismal pool is in the center. There is no formal order of worship, and any of the five directors may preach as felt led, but the service is usually overseen by the Director of Prophecy (who is "in charge" of music). Musicians sit in the same seats as the rest of us, but tend to congregate around each other, and while IN the prayer of God, will start the service by playing as led by the Spirit. When in prophetic praise and worship, a single song can “morph” through various stages and even last up to 40 minutes. (Sometimes music tends to turn tribal.) We hold communion every service with grape juice, wine, and V8 available, using a round matzo wafer that one purposefully cracks with his thumb. No collection is taken. Prayers, readings of scripture, encouragements and exhortations are made by any congregant when led to do so. Laying on of hands is not discouraged, but this of all the practices in the church is carefully overseen by the director of prophecy. Services typically run three hours. I often preach to varried background tracks of instrumental music on a CD (unfortunately labeled “new age” - FFT likes my using Tubular Bells) and it is rare that I don’t allow for questions to be asked – but this is up to the individual who is preaching.

That’s it. The director of Evangelism is to find his own replacement, and exhort and edify others whom he recognizes as gifted for Evangelism. Same with the rest. If you get five people together who are qualified to direct, they go start their own fellowship.

God hates Megachurches.

Hope this suffices.

Yehu

I guess I forgot to mention that between the chairs and the baptismal pool is a "largish" area that one may lay down a rug upon which to stand, dance, kneel, pray, worship. (And if you enter the airspace of another's rug and get hit with an outstretched arm, it's your own fault.)
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Yehushuan · Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:55 pm Post subject:

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ShardikSon · Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:05 pm Post subject:

Well, the D-R seems far distant from the more oft taken as in the KJV.

I have mostly read the D-R for the apocrypha, and spent little time in the NT in that version.

And the best translation, I think, for Ephesians 6:17 is in "the Amplified Bible"
where it reads,
"And take the helmet of salvation and the sword that the Spirit wields, which is the Word of God."

Though from a quick look at the Greek, of which I am a complete n00B, that doesn't really do it complete justice, either.

I suspect that, like today, many words carried an extra meaning to the people of the time that was not necessarily recorded in the documentation (read lexicon/dictionary) and we can perceive some of that meaning, with help from the Spirit, and a little intuition, but often the literalists will miss the mark.

Most of the translations are simplfied and leave a bit to the imagination.

I still remember Bible school of years back when this passage was discussed, and we kids were mentally picking up all the armor to be The Christian Solders, and marching around singing the old hymn, preparing to do battle with the heathens.
Quite an image for a five year-old.
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I delight greatly in the LORD;
my soul rejoices in my God...
- Isaiah 61:10 (NIV)

JB · Tiger Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 865

I would like to take a shot at it.

I am sure it won't be with depth or clarity like Yehu's writing but a fella has got to start some place.

Ephesians 6:17, doesn't seem to be speaking of the written word but of the Spirit of God working in the inner man through the Rema. If I were a guessing man I would say that the Helmet of salvation is the Spirit of God Speaking to us and empowering us to battle the firey darts of the enemy. But I guess we will have to wait for Yehu to check in and see if I am at least partially right.

JB

Yehushuan · Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:00 pm Post subject:

auto-reply: Yehu is out of the office until Monday, wandering to and fro across the face of the earth. In the case of emergency, please contact the Holy Ghost who usually knows where he is.
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JonMarie · Bear Joined: 18 Feb 2008 Posts: 699 Location: Pa.

Yehu,

bigape · Fierce Puppy Joined: 18 May 2008 Posts: 233

Hi Yehushuan

Well, now I do understand, where you are coming from.

Thank you for the explanation.
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ShardikSon · Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:44 am Post subject:

After finding a greek online guide and doing so work with it, and after some meditation on the results, I offer the following translation of Eph 6:17

Siam · Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 10:35 pm Post subject:

Yehu[/quote]
The bible is the LIVING Word of God. It was written by the power of the Holy Spirit and can only be understood by the power of the Holy Spirit. What evidence, if any, do you have, to substantiate your statement?

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Just wondering, what evidence, if any, do you have, to substantiate your statement????

Very Happy

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