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steven Goldfish

Joined: 14 Jul 2003 Posts: 60 Location: California
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2003 2:38 pm Post subject: woman's role |
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What exactly is a woman's role in the Church, and in their home? _________________ Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ. Act 20:21 |
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Ryck Lion King

Joined: 05 Dec 2002 Posts: 1078
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 8:03 am Post subject: Re: woman's role |
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| steven wrote: | What exactly is a woman's role in the Church, and in their home? |
I ain't touching that one!  |
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Javan Fierce Puppy

Joined: 09 Jan 2004 Posts: 235 Location: Canada
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Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 7:37 am Post subject: |
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Answer the question, "What is the church's role towards Christ?" and you will have the answer to steven's question.
Woman in the Bible (especially referring to the OT) have always represented the church and her relationship with Christ. She is often treated horribly by the world, but very often she is abused and misused by those who are in leadership as well. |
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richardsherratt Newbie Alert
Joined: 27 Jun 2004 Posts: 3 Location: Cheshire, UK
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2004 4:38 am Post subject: Re: woman's role |
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| steven wrote: | What exactly is a woman's role in the Church, and in their home? |
In the Church they are not to preach or teach or address the congregation.
In the Home they are to have children and do the domestic work. |
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Raoooul Kitten

Joined: 10 Jul 2004 Posts: 128
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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 11:05 am Post subject: Re: woman's role |
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| Quote: | In the Church they are not to preach or teach or address the congregation.
In the Home they are to have children and do the domestic work. |
If i might say, not only is this a very bigoted couple of statements, but they are also not biblical.
There are several prophetesses within the bible:
Sarah:
(Gen 21:12) But God said to Abraham, "Don't be worried about the boy and your slave Hagar. Do whatever Sarah tells you, because it is through Isaac that you will have the descendants I have promised.
Rika:
(Gen 27:8 ) Now, son," Rebecca continued, "listen to me and do what I say....
(Gen 27:13) His mother answered, "Let any curse against you fall on me, my son; just do as I say, and go and get the goats for me."
(2Ch 34:22) At the king's command, Hilkiah and the others went to consult a woman named Huldah, a prophet who lived in the newer part of Jerusalem. (Her husband Shallum, the son of Tikvah and grandson of Harhas, was in charge of the Temple robes.) They described to her what had happened,
While, it is not biblical for a woman to be a preacher, this in no way means that they cannot teach the truths of G-d as G-d permitted. |
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RevJP Moderator

Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 6901 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 7:04 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | While, it is not biblical for a woman to be a preacher, this in no way means that they cannot teach the truths of G-d as G-d permitted. |
You were sooooo close, but not quite there.
It is not biblical for women to be in spiritual authority in the Church, they can be preachers (messengers of God's truth), teachers, and many other roles in the church.
On one of our sister sites; ChristianDiscussion.com, there is a rather extensive discussion on this issue. It was a lively debate, but I think one would find scriptural truth in it. Check it out. 8) _________________ JP's Mind - my blog
Psa 118:8 It is better to trust and take refuge in the Lord than to put confidence in man. |
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manitou Newbie Alert
Joined: 26 Jul 2005 Posts: 3
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:54 am Post subject: |
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Wait a minute.
Matthew 28: 5But the angel said to the women, ‘Do not be afraid; I know that you are looking for Jesus who was crucified. 6He is not here; for he has been raised, as he said. Come, see the place where he* lay. 7Then go quickly and tell his disciples, “He has been raised from the dead,
John 20: But go to my brothers and say to them, “I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.” ’ 18Mary Magdalene went and announced to the disciples, ‘I have seen the Lord’; and she told them that he had said these things to her.
What is the most important message in the Bible? He is risen. The resurrection. Jesus told a WOMAN (or women, depending on which gospel you pick) of the resurrection AND he told a WOMAN (or women) to go tell his disciples.
We are all disciples. Women can, and should, spread the word, as Jesus told them.
Jesus also told Martha to get out of the kitchen and come do the important stuff: listening to him, discussing his word, etc.
Paul felt that his job was to provide discipline to unorganized, diverse congregations. Paul reinforced cultural norms of the time.
Jesus radically altered the cultural norms. Jesus and Paul frequently contradict each other, in word and in spirit. _________________ "I take the Bible much too seriously to take it literally." --Ursula LeGuin |
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Rhythmiqchiq Sea Monkey

Joined: 02 Jul 2005 Posts: 11 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | What exactly is a woman's role in the Church, and in their home? |
Each individual woman's 'role' as such differs. Some women are called to be missionaries some to be home-makers. There is no specific 'role' for women. However, there are certain requirements made clear in the scriptures.
A woman must always submit to her husband, does not teach men etc. and more. |
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RevJP Moderator

Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 6901 Location: USA
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Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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Perhaps you could better define what the scriptures mean by submit? Could you also give a reference to where women don't teach men, and perhaps a commentary on what the scriptures mean in that reference? _________________ JP's Mind - my blog
Psa 118:8 It is better to trust and take refuge in the Lord than to put confidence in man. |
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theseldomscene Banned

Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817
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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 5:15 am Post subject: |
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can't agree with the poster that JESUS and paul contradict each other....
along with what jp said, i think you should do a study to define child, woman, man, elder. as given in the n.t. epistles.
one unskilled in the word is a babe...no matter there age or gender. |
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Rhythmiqchiq Sea Monkey

Joined: 02 Jul 2005 Posts: 11 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry for the delayed answer. I had two hours of Algebra to complete.
First of all there is the order of authority in the family which God has dictated.
God
Man
Wife
Child(ren)
A woman must submit to her husband by obeying him and 'following' as oppose to 'leading'.
A woman must not teach the scriptures to men within the church/believing community. _________________ You get what you're given; it's all how you use it! |
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RevJP Moderator

Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 6901 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 6:46 am Post subject: |
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I'm still looking for scripture to back you up chic, you got any?
I would also like to hear more of what you think 'submit' means, scripturally. _________________ JP's Mind - my blog
Psa 118:8 It is better to trust and take refuge in the Lord than to put confidence in man. |
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thunder Lion King

Joined: 13 Sep 2003 Posts: 1222
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Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 4:10 pm Post subject: For what it's worth ... |
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For what it's worth ... i see " submit " as meaning " respect."
If we could all just respect one another ... that would be a start.
thunderdog _________________ Submit to God in Christ |
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lone-traveler Emperor of the Universe

Joined: 02 Jul 2005 Posts: 6360 Location: USA
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Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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A woman's role....
Tit 2:3 that aged women likewise be reverent in demeanor, not slanderers nor enslaved to much wine, teachers of that which is good;
Tit 2:4 that they may train the young women to love their husbands, to love their children,
Tit 2:5 [to be] sober-minded, chaste, workers at home, kind, being in subjection to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed:
I like the part about being teachers of that which is good..
I think a lot of parents need to get more training as to how to teach and train the younger women. That would be us.
Sad how the world is making the children raise themselves today  _________________ Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. |
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thunder Lion King

Joined: 13 Sep 2003 Posts: 1222
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Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 4:44 pm Post subject: If a woman within the fold ... |
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If a woman within the fold ... presents a correct argument or position and a man within the fold presents an error argument or position on the same matter, who rules?
Perhaps the woman should have kept quiet and the man, who's argument and position is in error, rules in error?
This is not a pro female statement, just one seeking truth.
Jesus told Martha that Mary had selected a correct ( best ) position, leaning toward Christ right beside the twelve apostles, who were in fact men. Luke 10:42
When a woman is right, she's right. When a man is wrong, he's wrong. When a woman is wrong, she's wrong and when a man is right, he's right.
It's like simple interest, it's easy to understand. Now compound interest is a festering blister caused by a saddle, with a long way still to go in that saddle!
Simple interest or compound interest, you choose?
thunder _________________ Submit to God in Christ |
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