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Ryck
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Joined: 05 Dec 2002
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Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:02 am Post subject: Throwing stones

I'm curious. Why are you guys seem to always jump on Tbax's back? Thus far I haven't seen him throw the first stone at any of you but are all of you so without sin to circle around him so to not return the favor? If you drive your only resident JW out of the forum, who are you going to play with next? Sing JW sour grapes to each other? LOL!

dabmci
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Joined: 27 Jan 2008
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Location: Wylie

Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 9:52 am Post subject: Re: Throwing stones

Ryck wrote:

I'm curious. Why are you guys seem to always jump on Tbax's back?

Thus far I haven't seen him throw the first stone at any of you but are all of you so without sin to circle around him so to not return the favor?

If you drive your only resident JW out of the forum, who are you going to play with next? Sing JW sour grapes to each other? LOL!

Ryck,

I have learned plenty from Tbax and will be the first to say, but that does not make everything he says correct. For me as I read thru the forum it looks as if he believes he and the JW has a Monoply on God and no one else has the truth. This I think gets everyone stirred up. I try to listen to God and understand what he is saying, but I don't know it all that is why I am here learning. I take what is given to me and match it up with the Bible. If there is something he says or anyone for the fact that says something I don't agree with I take it back to the bible. I don't try to add or subtract anything. When I don't know I will tell you I will get back with you. He seems like he is very true to what he believes and I won't take that away from him, but that does not make it correct. Name calling and stuff like that needs to be left at the door. Truth is what I am looking for. I read the bible for all it is worth not for what I want it to say or find other books to make my meaning walk on all four legs. It (the Bible) is what it is, the truth.

Ryck
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Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:11 pm Post subject: Re: Throwing stones

dabmci wrote:

Ryck wrote:

So that's it? Everyone jumps on his back first because he answers from his Bible?

You have to excuse me but that's a rather funny reason to be picking on him. You know what that makes you look like, right? Laughing

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I try to listen to God and understand what he is saying, but I don't know it all that is why I am here learning. I take what is given to me and match it up with the Bible. If there is something he says or anyone for the fact that says something I don't agree with I take it back to the bible. I don't try to add or subtract anything. When I don't know I will tell you I will get back with you. He seems like he is very true to what he believes and I won't take that away from him, but that does not make it correct. Name calling and stuff like that needs to be left at the door. Truth is what I am looking for. I read the bible for all it is worth not for what I want it to say or find other books to make my meaning walk on all four legs. It (the Bible) is what it is, the truth.

That's commendable. I agree!

Luvnlife
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Joined: 22 Feb 2007
Posts: 1257

Location: US

Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:34 pm Post subject:

TBax does tend to get people riled up.

If you have read a lot of his posts, then you understand that he does make disparaging remarks about others alot. He also uses the bible to brow beat people with. He can be very condescending. He uses super-large fonts, colors and bold as an attempt to make others feel small or stupid.

Here are but a small sampling of the way TBax has responded to others on the board within the past few weeks:

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Your responces, by and large, are emotional and shallow.

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You are just being extremely obtuse at this point.

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You displayed unintellectual emotional outbursts

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If you displayed the least bit of reason I would have no problem answering your question.

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Do you know what hypocrisy is?

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You do not need to remind me that you are not a Witness of the true God.

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It is impossible for me to address all your wrong views at once.

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you have a knowledge of JW's, but it is not the least bit accurate

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you are free to do whatever you want, and to disregard whatever of Jesus words you want.

.... Is the answer to your question becoming clearer?

Luv
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Ryck
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Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 5:12 am Post subject:

luvnlife wrote:

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Your responces, by and large, are emotional and shallow.

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You are just being extremely obtuse at this point.

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You displayed unintellectual emotional outbursts

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If you displayed the least bit of reason I would have no problem answering your question.

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Do you know what hypocrisy is?

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You do not need to remind me that you are not a Witness of the true God.

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It is impossible for me to address all your wrong views at once.

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you have a knowledge of JW's, but it is not the least bit accurate

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you are free to do whatever you want, and to disregard whatever of Jesus words you want.

.... Is the answer to your question becoming clearer?

Thanks for spending the time to research this. I think I should do the same so I looked at the opening words of a few of the resent threads started here. Some you might recognize.

I understand that you are just doggedly following your churches erroneous doctrines.

Please do me the courtesy of letting me know who you are via PM so that I know that you are not intentionally being rude and obnoxious.

I understand that you are part of the fulfillment of the prophecy regarding families turning against each other.

Are Jehovah's Witnesses a Cult?

JW's proven to be false, worthless, and deceitful...so why

I just don't see how introductions like that is going to put the other person at ease into a cheerful discussion.

I've noticed that the threads here were started not by Tbax but by anyone not of his position. I just feel that the guy is constantly surrounded and being nailed against the wall by a numerically superior majority. Hey, even a little dog will growl and bite when crowded into a corner for whatever reason.

You see what I'm getting at?

(Ok, maybe I have a soft spot for the underdog but isn't it American to root for the underdog? Smile

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Incidentally, I'm rather surprised Tbax hasn't jumped in to express something about his constantly getting his butt served to him. It's not easy to remain in the company of ridiculers.

Either he hasn't seen this post or he is in shock that someone isn't attacking him - for a change. ROFL!

I wonder why there exists a bash folder for a religion and that Jehovah's Witnesses is that bash subject? Why not the Catholics, Episcopalians, Mormons, etc.? Why not more religion bash folders? Better yet, why have any?

Thanks for your reply, luvnlife. But I wonder how would you handle if you were attacked 10 to 1. Wouldn't you give each attacker a sharp response too rather than a calm thought-out reply given that the threads wasn't started on friendlier terms?

Just a thought.

PS: I don't condone his use of impolite language but given the circumstances he is under, and allowed to prosper in this forum, I could understand his reactions.

I think I would see this differently if I didn't see this uniquely unfair advantage being played out in the one folder that exploits such a condition. I haven't seen him in other folders. Perhaps all his energies are spent here? That's why I'm saying that if you force him out of the forum, is that really a win or a loss for you?

dabmci
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Joined: 27 Jan 2008
Posts: 152

Location: Wylie

Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 5:22 am Post subject: Re: Throwing stones

Ryck wrote:

dabmci wrote:

Ryck wrote:

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That's commendable. I agree!

Ryck,

He uses his bible and the KJV ONLY when it says what he agrees with. So what you are attempting to say about me? So if I create a new bible out of all the things I want it to say and I quote it all the time that makes me correct? What are you trying to say? What does it make me look like? I can take it tell me. Please explain.

Wolvo
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Joined: 06 Jul 2008
Posts: 167

Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 7:16 am Post subject:

Ryck wrote:

Are Jehovah's Witnesses a Cult?

JW's proven to be false, worthless, and deceitful...so why

The titles of those two threads are not attacking TBax as you claim, they are attacking the JW religion.

Luvnlife
Lion King

Joined: 22 Feb 2007
Posts: 1257

Location: US

Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:47 am Post subject:

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I understand that you are just doggedly following your churches erroneous doctrines.

I used to be JW. I stand by this statement and I have shown it to be erroneous using Jesus' words and teachings. I in no way attacked TBax personally, I did not make a disparaging remark about his intellect, his sanity or his emotional state. I did not call him shallow or obtuse.

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Please do me the courtesy of letting me know who you are via PM so that I know that you are not intentionally being rude and obnoxious.

This statement was made in response to TBax announcing that he could not 'speak' to me because I had been a JW. This was not a personal attack. I simply asked that other JW's let me know who they are so that it's clear when they don't respond to me that they are following their churches rules.

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I understand that you are part of the fulfillment of the prophecy regarding families turning against each other.

Again, this is not a personal attack against TBax. I do believe this and I gave biblical backing regarding this. The JW's do turn family members against one another. There is no denying that and as a former member, I know this to be true. TBax has openly admitted that.

As far as JW's being a cult, I think they fit the description. It's certainly not meant as an attack on TBax but in my opinion and apparently other peoples opinions, his church fits the bill. Christianity in general has been referred to as a cult many times.

According to Wiki:

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"Cult" typically refers to a cohesive social group devoted to beliefs or practices that the surrounding population considers to be outside the mainstream.

A group's cult status begins as rumors spread of its novel belief system, its great devotions, its idiosyncratic practices, its perceived harmful or beneficial effects on members or its perceived opposition to the interests of mainstream cultures and governments. Persistent rumors may follow relatively small and recently founded religious or non-religious groups when they are perceived to engage in excessive member control or exploitation.

Luv
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Ryck
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Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 6:01 am Post subject: Re: Throwing stones

dabmci wrote:

dabmci, I didn't accuse you of anything. Especially of creating a new Bible - whatever that means.

Chill-out, ok?

Peace!

Ryck
Lion King

Joined: 05 Dec 2002
Posts: 1094

Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 6:14 am Post subject:

Wolvo wrote:

Ryck wrote:

Are Jehovah's Witnesses a Cult?

JW's proven to be false, worthless, and deceitful...so why

The titles of those two threads are not attacking TBax as you claim, they are attacking the JW religion.

Gotcha!

But don't you think they could have been titled something less sensational BEFORE someone opens the thread and starts reading? Especially the last one? Already the reader is put into an opinion BEFORE considering the evidence.

Not a bad idea if you want to slam dunk the opposition right from the start. Smile

But with the guy already outnumbered 10 to 1, I think it's over-excessive.

Thanks.

TBax
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Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Posts: 2073

Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 6:21 am Post subject:

dabmci,

dabmci wrote:

Name calling and stuff like that needs to be left at the door.

I am by no means defending my action in making my observations known publicly. Appearently, by noticing if someone is being a ridiculer, or are being unreasonable, or illogical, or emotional, and saying so, is "calling people names". Perhaps I should keep my observations to myself in this era of political correctness. Embarassed

Or maybe such observations may get people to think. I don't know? Don't get the idea I am comparing myself to our Lord below, but just some food for thought.

Matt 15:7 YOU hypocrites, Isaiah aptly prophesied about YOU, when he said, 8 ‘This people honors me with their lips, yet their heart is far removed from me.

Matt 23:33 “Serpents, offspring of vipers, how are YOU to flee from the judgment of Ge·hen′na?

John 8:44 YOU are from YOUR father the Devil, and YOU wish to do the desires of YOUR father.

Edited to alter the spelling of "publicly"
I used the olive color above to make others look small. Laughing

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TBax

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Ryck
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Posts: 1094

Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 6:29 am Post subject:

luvnlife wrote:

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I understand that you are just doggedly following your churches erroneous doctrines.

Gotcha!

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Please do me the courtesy of letting me know who you are via PM so that I know that you are not intentionally being rude and obnoxious.

Gotcha!

There are other JWs here? Boo on them for letting Tbax take all the heat himself. Very cowardly.

I still don't understand why Tbax doesn't allow you the courtesy of a sane reply even if you were a JW before. I don't think it was for immoral reasons on your part but just because you left.

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I understand that you are part of the fulfillment of the prophecy regarding families turning against each other.

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Luv

Thanks for the clarification.

dabmci
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Joined: 27 Jan 2008
Posts: 152

Location: Wylie

Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 6:49 am Post subject:

TBax wrote:

dabmci,

dabmci wrote:

Name calling and stuff like that needs to be left at the door.

I am by no means defending my action in making my observations known publically. Appearently, by noticing if someone is being a ridiculer, or are being unreasonable, or illogical, or emotional, and saying so, is "calling people names". Perhaps I should keep my observations to myself in this era of political correctness. Embarassed

Tbax,

Again I understand how you feel about what you believe. I will and can never take that away from you (Thats God's job), and I was talking to anyone bashing the indivual that stuff should be left at the door.

Now the scriptures you just quoted they in turn can be said of the JW. You seem to use these with the sense that they are talking about everyone that does not believe as you do. Stop trying to judge peoples heart and say what you believe and why, and let God work it out.

TBax
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Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Posts: 2073

Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 6:49 am Post subject:

Ryck,

I apprerciate your reasonableness you have consistantly displayed.

Ryck wrote:

Why are you guys seem to always jump on Tbax's back?

I bring it on myself for just being here. I know people don't believe the same as I do. I know people have their preconcieved ideas about JW's, which I try to correct. I have been told I call others name by just being part of an organization. I understand people will make claims like "JW's are taking that out of context" yet never being able to explain how. I understand that I am a target for being here. I understand that my words are under extreme scrutiny. People can take phrases out of context and list them to make me look evil. Quite frankly, I believe I have been quite tame if you read in context of the discussion.

luvnlife wrote:

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you have a knowledge of JW's, but it is not the least bit accurate

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you are free to do whatever you want, and to disregard whatever of Jesus words you want.

Don't feel bad for me, as I don't have to be here. I do expect people to use reason. When that doesn't happen, perhaps sometimes I use poor judgement in explaining their lack of reason. Embarassed

Maybe from this point I won't point out bad reasoning but just won't respond. Cool

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TBax

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TBax
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Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 6:52 am Post subject:

dabmci, I was using those scriptures as an example of what Jesus did. People could say he is a name caller. I wasn't using those scriptures to say anything about anyone here! I do not judge people. I can recognize when someone is being unreasonable, or a ridiculer. My exposing that makes me a "name caller". _________________ Agape, TBax

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