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Mattathias
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 Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:06 pm Post subject: Holy Moses! PBS documentary suggests Exodus not real |
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| Quote: | Abraham didn't exist? The Exodus didn't happen?
The Bible's Buried Secrets, a new PBS documentary, is likely to cause a furor.
"It challenges the Bible's stories if you want to read them literally, and that will disturb many people," says archaeologist William Dever, who specializes in Israel's history. "But it explains how and why these stories ever came to be told in the first place, and how and why they were written down."
The Nova program will premiere Nov. 18. PBS presented a clip and a panel discussion at the summer tour of the Television Critics Association.
The program says the Bible was written in the sixth century BC and that hundreds of authors contributed.
"At least the first five books of the Bible come together during the Babylonian exile," says producer Gary Glassman.
The program challenges long-held beliefs. Abraham, Sarah and their offspring probably didn't exist, says Carol Meyers, a religion professor at Duke University.
"These stories are unlikely to represent real historical events, but rather there's some kernel of ancient experience in there which has survived and which helps give identity to the people at the time the Bible finally took shape centuries and centuries later," Meyers says.
There's no archaeological evidence of the Exodus, either, she says, but "it doesn't mean that there's no kernel of truth to it."
Nova series producer Paula Apsell says she found it "extremely shocking" to learn that monotheism was a process that took hundreds of years.
"I was always brought up to believe that the minute Abraham and the patriarchs came on the scene, the Israelites accepted one God and there was just always one God and that was it," Apsell says. "I think people are going to really be stunned by that."
Another shocker: The program contradicts the biblical view that the Israelites came from somewhere else into the land of Canaan. "The film shows that they were Canaanites," Apsell says. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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Haven't they been finding the Egyption Chariots in the red Sea?
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Mattathias
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Joebob787 wrote: | | Haven't they been finding the Egyption Chariots in the red Sea? |
Maybe so, maybe not.
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Joebob787
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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When, The bible is being attacked on all sides and has yet to be disproven.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:13 am Post subject: |
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Um. This documentary is going into several of the ways that the Bible (Old Testament, at least) has been disproved.
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ChristianWoman1
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I just got an email on this the other day as well...  This is rediculous. 
I also just heard on the news [ radio ]just yesterday that there is an archiologist who has found proof of Jericho's wall coming down to be biblically true 
anyone else hear about this??
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ragman13
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| Quote: | | The Exodus didn't happen? |
I have 27 years of the journal "Bible and Spades". It is an archeology based journal. I may update this over time as I read through it and find relevant articles. Here is a start.
| Quote: | | There are a number of titles in the story of Joseph - “chief butler”, “chief baker”, and “overseer”. Even Joseph’s new name Zaphnath Paaneah was a title, meaning “Head of the Sacred College”. In Genesis 45:8 Joseph told his brothers three of his titles - “Father to Pharaoh”, “Lord of his house”, and “Ruler of all Egypt”. Except for the first, these are all accurate translations of known Egyptian titles. They mean respectively that Joseph was the Pharaoh’s personal advisor, that he was in charge of palace affairs, and that he was the administrator of the whole land of Egypt. The first title was known to the Egyptians as “Father to the gods”, but Joseph Hebraised it. He could not acknowledge a Pharaoh as god, and so he gave it a Hebrew slant and referred to himself as “Father to Pharaoh”. Here, as in so many other ways, Joseph honored the Lord. To him it would have been blasphemous to acknowledge any Egyptian ruler as a God. |
Bible and Spade (1972) Volume 1 (vnp.1.1.7). Associates for Biblical Research.
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ragman13
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| Quote: | Perhaps one of my favorite stories of archaeology and the Bible would be a suitable starting point - the record relating to the Assyrian King Sargon in Isaiah 20. “There is no such king” the critics declared. “The Bible has confused this man with Shalmaneser who initiated the seige of Samaria.” Actually, there was no Sargon in known Assyrian king lists.
Then, in the 1840’s, Sargon’s palace was uncovered at the village of Khorsabad, just a few miles from ancient Nineveh in Iraq. Not only was his palace uncovered, but found among the many battle descriptions was the record of the very campaign against Ashdod mentioned in Isaiah 20:1. The Bible was right after all! There was a King Sargon, he did campaign against the Philistine city of Ashdod, he did have a “Tartan” as Isaiah 20:1 declares. Tartan is an Assyrian army title that means “commander-in-chief”. While a number of these titles are correctly used
BSP 1:1 (Winter 1972) p. 9
in the Bible records (rabmag, rabshakeh, and tipsarru, to name a few), their meanings were unknown until the excavation of Assyrian palaces in the 19th Century. This reflects concise and accurate reporting that demonstrates the factual eyewitness account of Biblical writings. The Assyrians as a people disappeared from history after the Battle of Carchemish in 605 B.C., and yet Bible writers even knew official rank and protocol of the enemy Assyrian army. |
Bible and Spade (1972) Volume 1 (vnp.1.1.8-1.1.9). Associates for Biblical Research.
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ragman13
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| Quote: | In the Book of Genesis several passages refer to Abraham’s - and the other Patriarchs’ - use of camels (Genesis 12:16; 24:10, etc.) At one time it was claimed that camels were not domesticated by the time of Abraham. Scholars as recently as the 1930s suggested that the Bible writers actually meant donkeys and not camels. They said that this was an “anachronism”; that is, something written at a later time and inserted into the Bible. This was supposed to be strong evidence for the later writing of these stories, for it was argued that they were not put into writing until camels had replaced donkeys.
It is indeed true that camels were used more widely from the period of David onwards, but it is also true that camels were used for domestic service long before Abraham traveled the lands of the Bible. Archaeologists have recovered bones and teeth, and even figurines, of camels predating Patriachal times. One figurine of a camel was excavated at Lagash in Mesopotamia and dates to about 2350 B.C., hundreds of years before Abraham. Another figurine found in Egypt, dating to about 3000 B.C., depicts a man alongside his kneeling camel. |
Bible and Spade (1972) Volume 1 (vnp.1.3.71). Associates for Biblical Research.
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Mattathias
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 5:16 am Post subject: |
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| ChristianWoman1 wrote: | | I just got an email on this the other day as well... |
Is there a particular service that sends these emails to you or do your receive them from friends? (I find articles the old fashioned way - surfing the net. I wouldn't mind being on a mailing list if it didn't lead to unsolicted email from other sources.)
| Quote: | I also just heard on the news [ radio ]just yesterday that there is an archiologist who has found proof of Jericho's wall coming down to be biblically true
anyone else hear about this?? |
No, but I would like to hear/read more about it. 
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Mattathias
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ragman.
I appreciate your posts. (As you know, I have a keen interest in Biblical archaeology.)
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ChristianWoman1
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 6:01 am Post subject: |
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| Mattathias wrote: | | ChristianWoman1 wrote: | | I just got an email on this the other day as well... |
Is there a particular service that sends these emails to you or do your receive them from friends? (I find articles the old fashioned way - surfing the net. I wouldn't mind being on a mailing list if it didn't lead to unsolicited email from other sources.)
onenewsnow.com send me daily emails with all the top news stories, a christian site.
Also I get emails from AFA ( American Family Association) they have an "action alert" email they send out almost daily with the latest..
and another source is Liberty Counsel. They are a Christian Law firm who fights for Christian values in the court room. They send emails with the updates to the current court cases against faith....VERY good information here too.
none of these send spam 
| Quote: | I also just heard on the news [ radio ]just yesterday that there is an archiologist who has found proof of Jericho's wall coming down to be biblically true
anyone else hear about this?? |
No, but I would like to hear/read more about it.
maybe I can find something on-line about it...I just heard it yesterday so it's current news
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Mattathias
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 6:08 am Post subject: |
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| ChristianWoman1 wrote: | | none of these send spam |
Thank you. I'll check them out.
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Joebob787
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Mattathais, I finally found out where you Name comes from.
| Quote: | | In 167 B.C.E. Antiochus IV Epiphanes, the Hellenistic Greek king of Syria and heir to a portion of Alexander’s empire, in effect declared war against Judaism. Forsaking the tolerance that had come to define Hellenism, Antiochus banned circumcision, Sabbath observance, dietary laws and Temple sacrifices. In reaction, a Jewish priest named Mattathias ignited a resistance movement to expel the Syrians. His son Judas—nicknamed Maccabee (“the Hammer”)—eventually recaptured Jerusalem and rededicated the Temple. After Judas’s death, his brothers Jonathan and Simon continued the struggle for independence. Each became not only Judea’s secular ruler, but also its high priest. They and their descendants became known as the Hasmoneans, a name that refers to Mattathias’s great-grandfather, Hasmon. These were Salome Alexandra’s illustrious ancestors, whose deeds are still recounted at the Jewish festival of Hanukka |
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Mattathias
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:04 am Post subject: |
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| Joebob787 wrote: | | Mattathais, I finally found out where you Name comes from. |
What you finally found out is where my name might have come from.
Isn't it also possible that my name might have come from Luke 3:25,26? 
Who knows? Perhaps there is even another explanation. 
It's really not important, but thank you for thinking about me and for taking the time to search for meaning. 
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