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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:37 pm    Post subject: John 6:21 Reply with quote

John 6:21 Then they willingly received him into the ship: and immediately the ship was at the land whither they went.

comments anyone?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmm...well when i read that it makes me realize that when we accept Jesus as our Lord,[ receive Him into our ship] the minute we do so, then immediately we are one in Him..we are His.... Very Happy

There is no time of testing to prove ourselves...Jesus commands us to only believe in Him and we are saved Very Happy

I re-read all of John 6 and Jesus tells us over and over again that whoever believes in Him will have eternal life and He will raise them up on the last day.

V.29 "Jesus told them, This is the only work God wants form you: Believe in the one He has sent."

He tells us over and over in John 6 that He is the bread of life! AMEN! Fills my heart to read this chapter again this morning...thanks for posting Very Happy Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:36 am    Post subject: Re: John 6:21 Reply with quote

JonMarie wrote:
John 6:21 Then they willingly received him into the ship: and immediately the ship was at the land whither they went.

comments anyone?


Strong's: "Eutheos" = soon, shortly, straightaway, by and by.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello ChristianWoman1 how are you today?

Let me first say that I agree with everything that you posted, but I do have one question.

What version of the Bible are you using?

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V.29 "Jesus told them, This is the only work God wants form you: Believe in the one He has sent."


I checked all that I could and none of them have the word only in them.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ragman13 wrote:
Hello ChristianWoman1 how are you today?

Let me first say that I agree with everything that you posted, but I do have one question.

What version of the Bible are you using?

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V.29 "Jesus told them, This is the only work God wants form you: Believe in the one He has sent."


I checked all that I could and none of them have the word only in them.

I was puzzled by this translation myself. It is from the NLT I believe. Where they got the "only" from I do not know. The hazards of dynamic equivalence. Interestingly the Better Bibles Blog has recently been trumpeting the NLT as a sleeper among bible translations that is steadily growing in popularity. And to think that I do not even own a copy!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went thru every English Bible out there, and the NLT is the only one who uses the word "only" in that verse.

The NLT isn't bad, but it loses a lot of the poetics of the KJV. That's too bad, because some of scripture is "implied".
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is strange. I went to blueletterbible.org and they have the NLT but the word "only" is not in it. It is in my wife's copy and on the NLT website.

I do not have a problem when a translation adds words to help someone understand but it must not change the meaning of the verse. Inserting the word only does not help the translation and changes the meaning. I believe that "the only work God wants form you" is to "Believe in the one He has sent." I just feel that it deviates to much to be allowed.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ragman13 wrote:
That is strange. I went to blueletterbible.org and they have the NLT but the word "only" is not in it. It is in my wife's copy and on the NLT website.

I do not have a problem when a translation adds words to help someone understand but it must not change the meaning of the verse. Inserting the word only does not help the translation and changes the meaning. I believe that "the only work God wants form you" is to "Believe in the one He has sent." I just feel that it deviates to much to be allowed.



hhhmmm........I went back and checked again.
I use biblegateway.com . The NLT does use the word "only" in that verse.

I've never heard of different versions of different versions of the Bible............if you get what I'm saying.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eleven wrote:
ragman13 wrote:
That is strange. I went to blueletterbible.org and they have the NLT but the word "only" is not in it. It is in my wife's copy and on the NLT website.

I do not have a problem when a translation adds words to help someone understand but it must not change the meaning of the verse. Inserting the word only does not help the translation and changes the meaning. I believe that "the only work God wants form you" is to "Believe in the one He has sent." I just feel that it deviates to much to be allowed.



hhhmmm........I went back and checked again.
I use biblegateway.com . The NLT does use the word "only" in that verse.

I've never heard of different versions of different versions of the Bible............if you get what I'm saying.

It might be worth checking the edition of the NLT. I believe there were substantial revisions for the second edition (2007?) which made it more literal. There are different versions of the different versions. For example the NAS update. Even the KJV has many different versions.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I spoke with the people at blueletterbible.org about this. They are currently using the 1996 version of the NLT. John 6:29 was updated to read "only" in 2004.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I seem to take the bible more literal than most. I did not/ do not see this as an anaology, but an actual event.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JonMarie wrote:
I seem to take the bible more literal than most. I did not/ do not see this as an anaology, but an actual event.


hmmm.....we learn a lot here.
Maybe we should explore that theory a little more?
So tell us what you think it means. I am intrigued! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that it means exactly what it says.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

People read too much into the bible, trying to make it say what they want it to say instead of what it actually does say.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JonMarie wrote:
People read too much into the bible, trying to make it say what they want it to say instead of what it actually does say.


When people took literal meaning from Jesus' words when He was alive, they walked away w/a different meaning than what He intended. After they left is when He offered an explanation of His meaning. Sometimes actual words aren't always what they appear to mean on the surface. It's only by digging deeper that we get to the true heart of the message intended.
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