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JonMarie Grizzly Bear

Joined: 18 Feb 2008 Posts: 737 Location: Pa.
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:37 pm Post subject: John 6:21 |
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John 6:21 Then they willingly received him into the ship: and immediately the ship was at the land whither they went.
comments anyone? _________________ Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. |
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ChristianWoman1 Labrador

Joined: 22 May 2008 Posts: 300
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:56 am Post subject: |
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hmm...well when i read that it makes me realize that when we accept Jesus as our Lord,[ receive Him into our ship] the minute we do so, then immediately we are one in Him..we are His....
There is no time of testing to prove ourselves...Jesus commands us to only believe in Him and we are saved
I re-read all of John 6 and Jesus tells us over and over again that whoever believes in Him will have eternal life and He will raise them up on the last day.
V.29 "Jesus told them, This is the only work God wants form you: Believe in the one He has sent."
He tells us over and over in John 6 that He is the bread of life! AMEN! Fills my heart to read this chapter again this morning...thanks for posting  _________________ ____________________
Don't copy the behavior and customs of this world, but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think.
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Pete Lion King
Joined: 31 May 2006 Posts: 1019 Location: Arlington Hts., Il. USA
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:36 am Post subject: Re: John 6:21 |
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| JonMarie wrote: | John 6:21 Then they willingly received him into the ship: and immediately the ship was at the land whither they went.
comments anyone? |
Strong's: "Eutheos" = soon, shortly, straightaway, by and by. |
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ragman13 German Shepherd

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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:52 am Post subject: |
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Hello ChristianWoman1 how are you today?
Let me first say that I agree with everything that you posted, but I do have one question.
What version of the Bible are you using?
| Quote: | | V.29 "Jesus told them, This is the only work God wants form you: Believe in the one He has sent." |
I checked all that I could and none of them have the word only in them. _________________ If Jesus Christ were to come today, people would not even crucify him. They would ask him to dinner, and hear what he had to say, and make fun of it. —Thomas Carlyle
Shh. Don't tell anyone that I am a Fundamentalist! |
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Plotinus Lion King

Joined: 15 May 2007 Posts: 1044 Location: Canada
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:37 am Post subject: |
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| ragman13 wrote: | Hello ChristianWoman1 how are you today?
Let me first say that I agree with everything that you posted, but I do have one question.
What version of the Bible are you using?
| Quote: | | V.29 "Jesus told them, This is the only work God wants form you: Believe in the one He has sent." |
I checked all that I could and none of them have the word only in them. |
I was puzzled by this translation myself. It is from the NLT I believe. Where they got the "only" from I do not know. The hazards of dynamic equivalence. Interestingly the Better Bibles Blog has recently been trumpeting the NLT as a sleeper among bible translations that is steadily growing in popularity. And to think that I do not even own a copy! _________________ One would never discover the limits of soul, should one traverse every road -- so deep a measure does it possess.
Heraclitus, fragment 45, quoted in Diogenes Laertius 9.7. |
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eleven King of the Jungle

Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 1561 Location: Texas
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:56 am Post subject: |
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I went thru every English Bible out there, and the NLT is the only one who uses the word "only" in that verse.
The NLT isn't bad, but it loses a lot of the poetics of the KJV. That's too bad, because some of scripture is "implied". _________________ Pain is inevitable;
misery is optional. |
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ragman13 German Shepherd

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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:51 am Post subject: |
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That is strange. I went to blueletterbible.org and they have the NLT but the word "only" is not in it. It is in my wife's copy and on the NLT website.
I do not have a problem when a translation adds words to help someone understand but it must not change the meaning of the verse. Inserting the word only does not help the translation and changes the meaning. I believe that "the only work God wants form you" is to "Believe in the one He has sent." I just feel that it deviates to much to be allowed. _________________ If Jesus Christ were to come today, people would not even crucify him. They would ask him to dinner, and hear what he had to say, and make fun of it. —Thomas Carlyle
Shh. Don't tell anyone that I am a Fundamentalist! |
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eleven King of the Jungle

Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 1561 Location: Texas
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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| ragman13 wrote: | That is strange. I went to blueletterbible.org and they have the NLT but the word "only" is not in it. It is in my wife's copy and on the NLT website.
I do not have a problem when a translation adds words to help someone understand but it must not change the meaning of the verse. Inserting the word only does not help the translation and changes the meaning. I believe that "the only work God wants form you" is to "Believe in the one He has sent." I just feel that it deviates to much to be allowed. |
hhhmmm........I went back and checked again.
I use biblegateway.com . The NLT does use the word "only" in that verse.
I've never heard of different versions of different versions of the Bible............if you get what I'm saying. _________________ Pain is inevitable;
misery is optional. |
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Plotinus Lion King

Joined: 15 May 2007 Posts: 1044 Location: Canada
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:11 am Post subject: |
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| eleven wrote: | | ragman13 wrote: | That is strange. I went to blueletterbible.org and they have the NLT but the word "only" is not in it. It is in my wife's copy and on the NLT website.
I do not have a problem when a translation adds words to help someone understand but it must not change the meaning of the verse. Inserting the word only does not help the translation and changes the meaning. I believe that "the only work God wants form you" is to "Believe in the one He has sent." I just feel that it deviates to much to be allowed. |
hhhmmm........I went back and checked again.
I use biblegateway.com . The NLT does use the word "only" in that verse.
I've never heard of different versions of different versions of the Bible............if you get what I'm saying. |
It might be worth checking the edition of the NLT. I believe there were substantial revisions for the second edition (2007?) which made it more literal. There are different versions of the different versions. For example the NAS update. Even the KJV has many different versions. _________________ One would never discover the limits of soul, should one traverse every road -- so deep a measure does it possess.
Heraclitus, fragment 45, quoted in Diogenes Laertius 9.7. |
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ragman13 German Shepherd

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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:42 am Post subject: |
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Yeah I spoke with the people at blueletterbible.org about this. They are currently using the 1996 version of the NLT. John 6:29 was updated to read "only" in 2004. _________________ If Jesus Christ were to come today, people would not even crucify him. They would ask him to dinner, and hear what he had to say, and make fun of it. —Thomas Carlyle
Shh. Don't tell anyone that I am a Fundamentalist! |
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JonMarie Grizzly Bear

Joined: 18 Feb 2008 Posts: 737 Location: Pa.
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:03 am Post subject: |
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I seem to take the bible more literal than most. I did not/ do not see this as an anaology, but an actual event. _________________ Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. |
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eleven King of the Jungle

Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 1561 Location: Texas
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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| JonMarie wrote: | | I seem to take the bible more literal than most. I did not/ do not see this as an anaology, but an actual event. |
hmmm.....we learn a lot here.
Maybe we should explore that theory a little more?
So tell us what you think it means. I am intrigued!  _________________ Pain is inevitable;
misery is optional. |
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JonMarie Grizzly Bear

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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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I think that it means exactly what it says. _________________ Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. |
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JonMarie Grizzly Bear

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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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People read too much into the bible, trying to make it say what they want it to say instead of what it actually does say. _________________ Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. |
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Evee Moderator

Joined: 13 Sep 2005 Posts: 676
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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| JonMarie wrote: | | People read too much into the bible, trying to make it say what they want it to say instead of what it actually does say. |
When people took literal meaning from Jesus' words when He was alive, they walked away w/a different meaning than what He intended. After they left is when He offered an explanation of His meaning. Sometimes actual words aren't always what they appear to mean on the surface. It's only by digging deeper that we get to the true heart of the message intended. _________________ Don't get caught in the trap of thinking you know everything God has to say b/c you've read the Bible. Remember, God is STILL speaking. And surprisingly, through people we DON'T expect. |
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