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Mattathias
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 Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:20 pm Post subject: Court Upholds Ruling Striking Down Internet Child Porn Law |
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| Quote: | | A federal appeals court Tuesday agreed with a lower court ruling that struck down as unconstitutional a 1998 law intended to protect children from sexual material and other objectionable content on the Internet... |
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eleven
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:17 am Post subject: |
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Am I understanding this correctly??
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Indeed, the Child Online Protection Act would effectively force all Web sites to provide only family-friendly content because it is not feasible to lock children out of sites that are lawful for adults, said John Morris, general counsel for the Center for Democracy & Technology, a civil liberties group that filed briefs against the law. |
Because if this is the issue, I would have to side with the ACLU on this one because.............
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The court also ruled that the law violates the First Amendment because filtering technologies and other parental control tools offer a less restrictive way to protect children from inappropriate content online.
Morris argued that filters also provide a more effective way to protect children since they can block objectionable Web sites that are based overseas, beyond the reach of U.S. law. |
I'm all for protecting children, but to say that ALL websites have to be "family-friendly" is kind of ridiculous.
Adult subjects are not appropriate for children, however "Barney" is not appropriate for adults either.
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ShardikSon
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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I have to take the same view.
WE cannot sit by and wait for government to control what is out there.
We, as parents, need to take the wheel on this one.
You have to take responsibility for what your children see. and have access to.
No it is not easy, and no you cannot keep them away from all the crap out their, but neither can the government, unless they cut us off from the rest of the world, like China tries to do.
If I wanted a government like that, I would move to China.
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ChristianWoman1
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:07 am Post subject: |
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I got an email on this yesterday too...overall I think it's a step in the right direction, being a mother of 4 children I agree with it.
...but Shard makes a great point. This is one issue we as parents have to ' take the wheel' on, absolutely! FAR too mnay parents just don't realize what's out there and just let their children search whatever they want on-line...allowing them to have coputers in their bedroom for example.
Ours in in the living room...and it will remain there.
Parents really need to be vigilent with their children about the dangers of the internet, they are just too voulnerable. It's OUR job to keep them safe, not the governments 
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Mattathias
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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I'm on the minority side of this argument.
I realize that we are living in what the Bible refers to as "this present evil age" and that God allows mankind to do things that are opposed to His will in this age.
I wonder if God will allow sexually explicit "adult entertainment" material to be published in the age to come? Perhaps He will during the millennial reign. I don't see that being possible in the ages following the millennial reign.
"Adult entertainment" is harmful to adults and children. I think that consideration takes precedence over protecting freedom of speech.
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Luvnlife
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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I think that our society has not proven that it is able to 'control' itself, therefore the need for so many laws to tell us how to behave.
I work for a company that provides internet access (dial up and DSL). Several years ago, I was working on a school account. The school accounts in this area get a major part of the service provided to them partially or fully funded. At one point, we automatically filtered these accounts as children have access to them.
One day, one of the schools called me and complained about the filter. I explained why the filter was put in place and why the filter should remain. The school fought to have the filter removed. We did end up removing the filter and, after that, schools were given an option. Do you know what your child is viewing at the library, on recess or in the computer lab at school?
Another time, a customer wanted me to set up an E-Mail account for her 13 year old daughter. The User ID she chose was xxxkissable. Her young daughter apparently went in to chat rooms and emailed people using this address. I argued. Her mother insisted her daughter is 'innocent' and is not doing anything wrong online. I passed it by my manager who passed it by our legal team who gave the green light to set up the address for xxxkissable....a 13 year old child.
Who are we protecting by fighting against anti-pornography laws? Not our children. Not our families.
Let's pick our battles. This is one that many are on the wrong side of.
I too stand in the minority on this one.
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FFT
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Mattathias wrote: | | "Adult entertainment" is harmful to adults and children. |
1: Not a single study has ever shown that pornography is harmful to adults. They have consistently shown that it is not harmful to adults.
B) Regulating the internet like this simply will not work.
III. You can't keep children from realizing B)
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ChristianWoman1
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 2:56 am Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | | Mattathias wrote: | | "Adult entertainment" is harmful to adults and children. |
1: Not a single study has ever shown that pornography is harmful to adults. They have consistently shown that it is not harmful to adults.
 you don't see how porn has destroyed marriages?? it IS addictive! Porn most certainly is harmful to adults...no professional 'study ' needed. 
B) Regulating the Internet like this simply will not work.
It may not solve everything, but it's a step in the right direction.
III. You can't keep children from realizing B)
..but as parents / adults me MUST try.
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eleven
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While porn is an issue, from what I am reading, that's not what this law says. It says,
ALL websites must be family friendly.
Second, who gets to decide what is porn and what is not?
For example, last nite I watched a drama which contained an explicit sex scene between a husband and wife. It was totally appropriate for this movie.
Is that "porn"?
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FFT
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| ChristianWoman1 wrote: | | you don't see how porn has destroyed marriages?? it IS addictive! Porn most certainly is harmful to adults...no professional 'study ' needed. |
So your emotions are more important than hard facts? Got it.
You know what's funny? Or what would be funny if it weren't so retarded? The states with the lowest amounts of internet access are also the highest in rapes. And what's pretty much the purpose of the internet? Is this a case of correlation->causation (and thus not technically a valid argument)? Absolutely! But it's food for thought.
| ChristianWoman1 wrote: | | iit may not solve everything, but it's a step in the right direction. |
How? How can you say that regulating the internet is a step in the right direction when in reality it would accomplish absolutely nothing? It's a step into never-neverland is what it is.
| ChristianWoman1 wrote: | | ..but as parents / adults me MUST try. |
Hell no! Keeping children in ignorance is not what parenting is about. Teaching children how to handle the reality of the world is what parenting is about. Why do you think so many kids today end up STD-ridden and/or pregnant? The absolute crock that is abstinence-only sex-education. Yes, absolutely, for some it's going to be that way anyway, but telling kids sex is evil and wrong and dirty and that it can only be done in marriage etc. etc. only makes them more rebellious when they learn that you were completely full of it.
Forcing ignorance on children is not the answer.
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Mattathias
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| eleven wrote: | While porn is an issue, from what I am reading, that's not what this law says. It says,
ALL websites must be family friendly. |
Would Jesus argue in favor of allowing non-family friendly websites?
I find it inconceivable that the Messiah (who tells us that looking at another with lust in our hearts is committing adultery) would support legislation protecting "sexually explicit adult entertainment websites". If he would not support that legislation...
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ChristianWoman1
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:02 am Post subject: |
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| Mattathias wrote: | | eleven wrote: | While porn is an issue, from what I am reading, that's not what this law says. It says,
ALL websites must be family friendly. |
Would Jesus argue in favor of allowing non-family friendly websites?
I find it inconceivable that the Messiah (who tells us that looking at another with lust in our hearts is committing adultery) would support legislation protecting "sexually explicit adult entertainment websites". If he would not support that legislation... |
absolutely..you've got it!
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ChristianWoman1
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| FFT wrote: | | ChristianWoman1 wrote: | | you don't see how porn has destroyed marriages?? it IS addictive! Porn most certainly is harmful to adults...no professional 'study ' needed. |
So your emotions are more important than hard facts? Got it.
oh porn has destroyed marriages, it has nothing to do with my emotions..
You know what's funny? Or what would be funny if it weren't so retarded? The states with the lowest amounts of internet access are also the highest in rapes. And what's pretty much the purpose of the internet? Is this a case of correlation->causation (and thus not technically a valid argument)? Absolutely! But it's food for thought.
| ChristianWoman1 wrote: | | iit may not solve everything, but it's a step in the right direction. |
How? How can you say that regulating the internet is a step in the right direction when in reality it would accomplish absolutely nothing? It's a step into never-neverland is what it is.
I disagree, obviously.
| ChristianWoman1 wrote: | | ..but as parents / adults me MUST try. |
Hell no! Keeping children in ignorance is not what parenting is about. Teaching children how to handle the reality of the world is what parenting is about.
teaching our children the truth about sex and marriage is not ignorance And just how do you suggest teaching children to handle " the reality of the world" ?? Do you have children? Our oldest daughter will be 16 in September...she's quite in the thick of it I tell you, the "reality". The problem is society teaches our children that the "reality" is ' sex is good..everyone's doing it' ...that's NOT my reality..nor the reality of any God fearing parent...I would hope.
Why do you think so many kids today end up STD-ridden and/or pregnant? The absolute crock that is abstinence-only sex-education. Yes, absolutely, for some it's going to be that way anyway, but telling kids sex is evil and wrong and dirty and that it can only be done in marriage etc. etc. only makes them more rebellious when they learn that you were completely full of it.
well...again I'll say, anyone who is a God fearing christian, who abides by God's laws is NOT "full of it" I have never taught my children that sex is evil and wrong..or dirty...quite the opposite! God created sexual pleasure  It's quite beautiful....for married couples. The message that sex is dirty is not from God.
Our oldest daughter has promised herself to remain a virgin until marriage and [ God willing] she will. She even prays for the man [whom ever he may be] somewhere out there to wait for her too  She is a junior in High school...several of her friends have STD's already  ...she has pregnant teens in her class...she sees with her own eyes what lust does to people...she understands God's commands...and believe me, I give her credit for standing out in the crowd!
More rebellious?? I would think that anyone who becomes more rebellious for being told not to have sex before marriage is only those who aren't being taught God's true Gospel. When you wrap up every circumstance surrounding a child ; friends, relationships, work, responsibility and most importantly - faith...it all ties together ...the way God intended.
I don't have fear that my child [ren] will rebell....will they always do what's right?? probably not....we're only human you know.
..but God's grace is covering them, Amen!
Forcing ignorance on children is not the answer.
No FFT...forcing satans will on our children is not the answer.
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eleven
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Mattathias wrote: | | eleven wrote: | While porn is an issue, from what I am reading, that's not what this law says. It says,
ALL websites must be family friendly. |
Would Jesus argue in favor of allowing non-family friendly websites?
I find it inconceivable that the Messiah (who tells us that looking at another with lust in our hearts is committing adultery) would support legislation protecting "sexually explicit adult entertainment websites". If he would not support that legislation... |
Your not hearing me. That law says ALL websites have to be family friendly.
Read it again!
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A federal appeals court Tuesday agreed with a lower court ruling that struck down as unconstitutional a 1998 law intended to protect children from sexual material and other objectionable content on the Internet... |
So if I want to investigate terrorism in the world, will I be able to access that information and video documentation, because watching people blow themselves up in not exactly family-friendly either.
The article also states that filtering is MORE effective.
So why would you want to pass a bill that isn't going to accomplish what it is suppose to accomplish anyway??
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eleven
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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| ChristianWoman1 wrote: | | Mattathias wrote: | | eleven wrote: | While porn is an issue, from what I am reading, that's not what this law says. It says,
ALL websites must be family friendly. |
Would Jesus argue in favor of allowing non-family friendly websites?
I find it inconceivable that the Messiah (who tells us that looking at another with lust in our hearts is committing adultery) would support legislation protecting "sexually explicit adult entertainment websites". If he would not support that legislation... |
absolutely..you've got it! |
Got what CW??
Ok let me ask you this,
Is Shakespeare's "Romeo and Juliet", porn?
Because there is nudity in it!
What constitutes porn??
Nudity, frontal nudity, totally nudity, the act of sex itself, what???
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for protecting children - it's the right thing to do, but you as a parent have to decide what is right for YOUR kid. FILTER IT!
I really don't need you to tell me what I can watch as an adult or not. Nor should I be able to decide what YOU get to tap into on YOUR computer.
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