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Mattathias
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| eleven wrote: | Your not hearing me. That law says ALL websites have to be family friendly.
Read it again! |
But I did hear you and I have read it several times. Which non-family friendly websites would Jesus be an advocate for?
| Quote: | | So if I want to investigate terrorism in the world, will I be able to access that information and video documentation, because watching people blow themselves up in not exactly family-friendly either. |
Is that something you feel people must witness? Does it damage us or benefit us to observe our fellow man being torn apart by the cruel actions of terrorists?
| Quote: | | The article also states that filtering is MORE effective. So why would you want to pass a bill that isn't going to accomplish what it is suppose to accomplish anyway?? |
Filtering has not been allowed in schools and libraries in this part of God's good earth. Even if filtering were allowed, I would still be opposed on general principles to non-family friendly websites. Do you think such sites will be available in the kingdom of God?
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Joebob787
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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Will there even be computers in heaven?
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Nobby
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Joebob wrote: | | Will there even be computers in heaven? |
Of coarse!! How do you suppose He keeps track of all of us!! 
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eleven
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Joebob787 wrote: | | Will there even be computers in heaven? |
Yes, but you can only watch what Mattathias says you can watch. 
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FFT
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| ChristianWoman1 wrote: | | oh porn has destroyed marriages, it has nothing to do with my emotions.. |
Porn has destroyed marriages only because of people's attitudes towards porn, not anything inherently damaging about porn itself.
| ChristianWoman1 wrote: | | teaching our children the truth about sex and marriage is not ignorance |
Your truth or the facts?
| ChristianWoman1 wrote: | | And just how do you suggest teaching children to handle " the reality of the world" ?? |
Well I mean as far as this topic: pornography itself is not dangerous: how you treat it can be. Just like almost anything.
| ChristianWoman1 wrote: | | The problem is society teaches our children that the "reality" is ' sex is good..everyone's doing it' ...that's NOT my reality..nor the reality of any God fearing parent...I would hope. |
While I feel for any couple that doesn't think that sex is good, that's hardly relevant. Sex quite clearly is good, when it's safe. And it really isn't that hard to make it safe.
| ChristianWoman1 wrote: | well...again I'll say, anyone who is a God fearing christian, who abides by God's laws is NOT "full of it"  |
When their beliefs clash with reality ("Abstinence only education works" for instance), they are.
| ChristianWoman1 wrote: | I have never taught my children that sex is evil and wrong..or dirty...quite the opposite! God created sexual pleasure  It's quite beautiful....for married couples. |
And people are surprised when marriages only last a year or two. You quite clearly are teaching (or at least implying) that sex outside of marriage is some combination of evil, wrong and dirty. It's fine to teach your own children this but it is not fine to teach schoolchildren this because it is a personal belief and one almost entirely based on religion.
And then those that do remain celibate until marriage (or until they're with someone they intend to marry, anyway) they discover "hey, this is pretty fun! But it just feels like it could be better ..." because physical compatibility wasn't considered.
| ChristianWoman1 wrote: | | More rebellious?? I would think that anyone who becomes more rebellious for being told not to have sex before marriage is only those who aren't being taught God's true Gospel. |
It is not the obligation of schools to teach "God's true Gospel."
| ChristianWoman1 wrote: | | No FFT...forcing satans will on our children is not the answer. |
Please don't try to fit an objectively fictional character into this discussion.
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eleven
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Mattathias wrote: | | eleven wrote: | Your not hearing me. That law says ALL websites have to be family friendly.
Read it again! |
But I did hear you and I have read it several times. Which non-family friendly websites would Jesus be an advocate for? |
CNN
MSNBC
FOX NEWS
HISTORYCHANNEL
ESPN
DISCOVERY
And that's just off the top of my head.
| Mattathias wrote: | | eleven wrote: | | So if I want to investigate terrorism in the world, will I be able to access that information and video documentation, because watching people blow themselves up in not exactly family-friendly either. |
Is that something you feel people must witness? Does it damage us or benefit us to observe our fellow man being torn apart by the cruel actions of terrorists? |
Oh no, it's much better to pretend it doesn't exist. That way the next time a city is attacked, and a (daycare is blown apart), we'll all have something to talk about around the water cooler.
You know what is really amazing about all this?
Hitler used the same strategy. Let's keep it all as quiet as possible, that way nobody will know what is going on.
And after the holocaust, the world wanted to know how it could have happened!
| Quote: | | The article also states that filtering is MORE effective. So why would you want to pass a bill that isn't going to accomplish what it is suppose to accomplish anyway?? |
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Filtering has not been allowed in schools and libraries in this part of God's good earth. Even if filtering were allowed, I would still be opposed on general principles to non-family friendly websites. Do you think such sites will be available in the kingdom of God? |
So why not pass legislation the would require all school computers to have filters?
Second, if kids are able to access nonfamily-friendly websites in school, who the heck is not doing their job of watching them?
See, that's really what all this comes down to.
People don't want to take the time to supervise their kids, because it's a great babysitter and it's free.
But I'm 49 years old, and I don't need a babysitter, nor will I allow one forced upon me!
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Mattathias
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| eleven wrote: | | But I'm 49 years old, and I don't need a babysitter, nor will I allow one forced upon me! |
I don't think you are in imminent danger of not being able to view anything you set your heart on viewing. I think Paul's admonition in Philippians 4:8 serves as a guide to help us make wise decisions.
There is liberty within Christianity and it is up to each believer to decide if what he/she chooses to view (and allows their children to view) would be acceptable in the eyes of God. Each person will some day have to give an account for the choices they made in this age. Only God and the individual himself/herself know the true desires of the mind. I'm content to leave it, and the repercussions (whether they be good or ill), in the hands of God and the individual.
Politicians will have to give an account of why they protected the liberty to view sexually explicit "adult entertainment" at the expense of not protecting the welfare of children (not to mention the welfare of adult men and women.) When I'm called upon to give account of my actions in regard to this issue, I would rather say that I did what I could do to protect myself, my family and my fellow man from the damaging effects of "adult entertainment" websites than to say that I did all I could do to protect the liberty of viewing non-family friendly websites. What someone else chooses to say when they are called to give an account is up to them to decide. 
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Luvnlife
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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11 said: | Quote: | | Don't get me wrong, I'm all for protecting children - it's the right thing to do, but you as a parent have to decide what is right for YOUR kid. FILTER IT! |
Do you know if your childs school censors pornography? How about your local library? Are you completely confident that when your children are looking over someones shoulder in the library they are not seeing something inappropriate? What about internet cafe's? Is porn censored on laptops in the mall (where Wi-Fi is often available)? How do you know that your child is not seeing what some stranger may be viewing? What about your childrens' friends houses? Are you completely 100% secure in the knowledge that your child is not viewing porn at a friends house? Are you certain after you go to bed that your child is not online?
Since some of you seem unsure as to who should draw the line and where it should be drawn, what about child pornography and beastiality? What about sadism? What about spouse swapping, orgies, indiscrimate sex with multiple partners or threesomes? Is this all OK? Is this what the creator had in mind? Would it bother you to know that your child had viewed these sexual acts while out of your view or outside your home?
11 said: | Quote: | | So why not pass legislation the would require all school computers to have filters? |
Because schools complain, the same as many here are complaining, that censoring their internet service is somehow violating their rights.
You know, there are many places where you cannot smoke in public because it's a danger to children. Your children are legally required to wear seatbelts, sit in booster seats in vehicles and wear helmets in many states to 'protect' them. There are places that are considered off-limits to children because they are not considered to be 'healthy environments' (like bars, for example). Yet, many schools, libraries and other public places do not censor pornography.
I don't think showing or allowing children to view porn is healthy either. It's not a realistic interpretation of what sex is really like and what it's really about.
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:29 pm Post subject: Re: Court Upholds Ruling Striking Down Internet Child Porn L |
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[quote="Mattathias"] | Quote: | | A federal appeals court Tuesday agreed with a lower court ruling that struck down as unconstitutional a 1998 law intended to protect children from sexual material and other objectionable content on the Internet... |
As the end of time comes closer we will see satan gaining more power over men in high places.......
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].
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ChristianWoman1
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 2:31 am Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | | ChristianWoman1 wrote: | | oh porn has destroyed marriages, it has nothing to do with my emotions.. |
Porn has destroyed marriages only because of people's attitudes towards porn, not anything inherently damaging about porn itself.
| ChristianWoman1 wrote: | | teaching our children the truth about sex and marriage is not ignorance |
Your truth or the facts?
| ChristianWoman1 wrote: | | And just how do you suggest teaching children to handle " the reality of the world" ?? |
Well I mean as far as this topic: pornography itself is not dangerous: how you treat it can be. Just like almost anything.
how you treat it?? makes no sense to me...it's lust, there's only 1 way to treat it.
| ChristianWoman1 wrote: | | The problem is society teaches our children that the "reality" is ' sex is good..everyone's doing it' ...that's NOT my reality..nor the reality of any God fearing parent...I would hope. |
While I feel for any couple that doesn't think that sex is good, that's hardly relevant. Sex quite clearly is good, when it's safe. And it really isn't that hard to make it safe.
there is no such thing as "safe sex" no matter how hard you try. There is no fool-proof way to stay clear of disease and unplanned pregnancy except not having sex.
| ChristianWoman1 wrote: | | well...again I'll say, anyone who is a God fearing christian, who abides by God's laws is NOT "full of it" |
When their beliefs clash with reality ("Abstinence only education works" for instance), they are.
again I'll say..abstinance is the only safe way!
| ChristianWoman1 wrote: | | I have never taught my children that sex is evil and wrong..or dirty...quite the opposite! God created sexual pleasure It's quite beautiful....for married couples. |
And people are surprised when marriages only last a year or two. You quite clearly are teaching (or at least implying) that sex outside of marriage is some combination of evil, wrong and dirty.
sex outside of marriage is a sin.The lust int the world is of satan.
It's fine to teach your own children this but it is not fine to teach schoolchildren this because it is a personal belief and one almost entirely based on religion.
you are right..this is my faith. And ever since God has been pushed further and further out of schools our children have declined in values, this is a fact.
And then those that do remain celibate until marriage (or until they're with someone they intend to marry, anyway) they discover "hey, this is pretty fun! But it just feels like it could be better ..." because physical compatibility wasn't considered.
just try to imagine [ if you can] what it would be like if everyone waited until they got married to have sex...just think about it for a minute. Everyone would be marrying eachother out of love and the physical part is the icing on the cake! There would be nobody to compare sexual relations with because the person you married would complete you, you would love every minute of intimacy...and not need to go looking for something better.
what a thought, huh? 
| ChristianWoman1 wrote: | | More rebellious?? I would think that anyone who becomes more rebellious for being told not to have sex before marriage is only those who aren't being taught God's true Gospel. |
It is not the obligation of schools to teach "God's true Gospel."
not anymore  God has been taken out of our school halls and as the days pass...pushed out of our society even more
| ChristianWoman1 wrote: | | No FFT...forcing satans will on our children is not the answer. |
Please don't try to fit an objectively fictional character into this discussion.
Well.. I can't have a discussion with someone who thinks satan is fictional so here it ends I guess.
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ChristianWoman1
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 2:36 am Post subject: Re: Court Upholds Ruling Striking Down Internet Child Porn L |
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[quote="Silver Surfer"] | Mattathias wrote: | | Quote: | | A federal appeals court Tuesday agreed with a lower court ruling that struck down as unconstitutional a 1998 law intended to protect children from sexual material and other objectionable content on the Internet... |
As the end of time comes closer we will see satan gaining more power over men in high places.......
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places]. |
very true SS
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ChristianWoman1
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Luv...excellent post!
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eleven
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 4:23 am Post subject: |
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| Mattathias wrote: | | eleven wrote: | | But I'm 49 years old, and I don't need a babysitter, nor will I allow one forced upon me! |
I don't think you are in imminent danger of not being able to view anything you set your heart on viewing. I think Paul's admonition in Philippians 4:8 serves as a guide to help us make wise decisions. |
I agree wholeheartedly. Let me decide for myself.
| Mattathias wrote: |
There is liberty within Christianity and it is up to each believer to decide if what he/she chooses to view (and allows their children to view) would be acceptable in the eyes of God. |
Again I agree.
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Each person will some day have to give an account for the choices they made in this age. Only God and the individual himself/herself know the true desires of the mind. I'm content to leave it, and the repercussions (whether they be good or ill), in the hands of God and the individual. |
Fine. So why do we need this law?
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Politicians will have to give an account of why they protected the liberty to view sexually explicit "adult entertainment" at the expense of not protecting the welfare of children (not to mention the welfare of adult men and women.) |
That's true. But as a parent, you will also be asked, why did you leave the responsibilty of protecting your child to someone else?
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Mattathias
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 4:41 am Post subject: |
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| eleven wrote: | | Fine. So why do we need this law? |
Why do we need any law?
| Quote: | | That's true. But as a parent, you will also be asked, why did you leave the responsibilty of protecting your child to someone else? |
And when asked I will reply, I didn't.
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eleven
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 4:56 am Post subject: |
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| eleven wrote: | | Don't get me wrong, I'm all for protecting children - it's the right thing to do, but you as a parent have to decide what is right for YOUR kid. FILTER IT! |
| luvnlife wrote: |
Do you know if your childs school censors pornography? |
Do you?? And if your answer is, "I don't know", then I would ask you WHY don't you know?
If you found out copies of "Playboy" or "Hustler" were in your child's school, what would you do about it?
Wait for some legislation to be passed?? Because if porn is available to children right now via computer, it's the same exact thing.
My two children are grown and on there own now, but believe me, if I thought there was even the remote possibility of porn at my child's school, I would march right down there and make it my personal fight to GET RID OF IT!!!
The second thing I would do is start a campaign to get the superintendent of schools FIRED!!!
The only way a child can be accessing porn at school is IF THEY ARE UNSUPERVISED!
Why is my child, or any child for that matter, being left unsupervised in an environment that YOU KNOW may be harmful or dangerous?
Ya know, all you "concerned" people sing a great song, but you sit around doing nothing, waiting for someone else to take care of the problem when YOU could fix it TODAY!
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How about your local library? Are you completely confident that when your children are looking over someones shoulder in the library they are not seeing something inappropriate? What about internet cafe's? Is porn censored on laptops in the mall (where Wi-Fi is often available)? How do you know that your child is not seeing what some stranger may be viewing? What about your childrens' friends houses? Are you completely 100% secure in the knowledge that your child is not viewing porn at a friends house? Are you certain after you go to bed that your child is not online?
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I would know because if this is were such a concern to me, I would know where my child was, and who they were with the entire day.
But ok, let's try an experiment. Let's say, we totally block any porn or violence out on the net.
Does this solve the problem? Not at all.
How do you know your kid isn't out there smoking?
How do you know your kid isn't out there drinking?
How do you know you kid isn't reading "objectionable" (whatever that is) material?
How do you know your kid isn't hooked on over the counter drugs?
How do you know your kids aren't exploring sex with each other?
C'mon now. The only way to KNOW what your kid is doing, is to watch them.
How do I know my kid isn't on the internet over night?
Easy, take the computer away from them!!!
Finally, I want to share this with you, it's a totally true story.
When my daughter was in elementary school, she made friends with a little girl two houses down who was the same age. They were about 8 years old. These people were Fundamentalist Baptists, and home schooled their children. My daughter went to public school.
Every afternoon, her little friend would come over to our house, and the girls would play Barbies, or watch cartoons, or a Disney movie .......whatever.
(They got along great, and forged a very close relationship that went on for years.)
I come to find out, after about a year, that the reason the little girl is over at our house all the time is because her parents FORBID (you guessed it) cartoons, Barbies and Disney movies. It is their belief that these things are evil because they represent "the world", materialism, and are unscriptural.
However not ONCE in the four years that we lived there, did that child's mother or father come over to our house and ask, Hey, what is my daughter doing while she's at your house? NOT ONCE!
If these issues are such a great concern to you as YOU CLAIM, then watch YOUR kids.
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