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FFT
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Key of Twilight
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I really do not see the point in all of this. I have never met or heard of a gay person who says that they woke up one day and decided to be gay. The seemingly unanimous story is that this is how we have always been. Why can we not just believe people when they tell us something.
There is a man with one green eye and one blue eye. He meets a blind man while waiting at the bus stop. The blind man is oddly interested in the color of people's eyes. The blind man asks the other man "What color are your eyes?". The other man replies "well one is blue and the other is green as have they been since birth". The blind man gets a disgruntled look on his face and says to the man "I do not believe you, I have never heard of a person being born with two different colored eyes." The man looks to his other side and asks the woman next to him to verify that he has two different colored eyes. The woman turns to him and it turns out the woman also has two different colored eyes. She has one brown and one green. The woman turns to the blind man and says "Sir, it is true I too have two different colored eyes". The blind man is furious now and turns away from both of them not speaking until the bus arrived. The two two colored eye people stayed behind and waited for the next bus made uncomfortable by the blind man. "Why wouldn't the blind man believe us?" said the brown and green eyed woman to the blue and green eyed man. "How can we expect him to believe something that he can neither see nor has experienced?" said the man.
"If somebody shows you who they are, Believe them." - Maya Angelou
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| Key of Twilight wrote: | I really do not see the point in all of this. I have never met or heard of a gay person who says that they woke up one day and decided to be gay. The seemingly unanimous story is that this is how we have always been. Why can we not just believe people when they tell us something.
There is a man with one green eye and one blue eye. He meets a blind man while waiting at the bus stop. The blind man is oddly interested in the color of people's eyes. The blind man asks the other man "What color are your eyes?". The other man replies "well one is blue and the other is green as have they been since birth". The blind man gets a disgruntled look on his face and says to the man "I do not believe you, I have never heard of a person being born with two different colored eyes." The man looks to his other side and asks the woman next to him to verify that he has two different colored eyes. The woman turns to him and it turns out the woman also has two different colored eyes. She has one brown and one green. The woman turns to the blind man and says "Sir, it is true I too have two different colored eyes". The blind man is furious now and turns away from both of them not speaking until the bus arrived. The two two colored eye people stayed behind and waited for the next bus made uncomfortable by the blind man. "Why wouldn't the blind man believe us?" said the brown and green eyed woman to the blue and green eyed man. "How can we expect him to believe something that he can neither see nor has experienced?" said the man.
"If somebody shows you who they are, Believe them." - Maya Angelou |
Okay, I love that! But I will say there are some that choose it. For example, women who have been treated terribly by men in their lifetime. I know of at least one. Whether chosen or not, it's okay with God as far as I believe. It, however, can confuse some when they hear some have chosen it while others have not. But it really isn't all that confusing. Simply, some choose it. Some do not. |
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Key of Twilight
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when you are gay or straight there is no choice but when you are even a little bi the choices are there.
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| Key of Twilight wrote: | | when you are gay or straight there is no choice but when you are even a little bi the choices are there. |
The only choice I would think that would be there if a person is bisexual is which gender to date at the moment. When you're gay, you're attracted to the same gender. No choice in which gender you're attracted to. When you're straight, you're attracted to the opposite gender. No choice in which gender you're attracted to. When you're bisexual, you're attracted to both genders. No choice in which gender you're attracted to. The only choices I see, regardless of which gender you're attracted to, would be how you feel about the other person's personality and/or physical attractiveness. As to which gender you're attracted to, that is already established from the beginning. All my humble opinion, ofcourse (smile). |
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RevJP
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I don't think the argument is about 'choosing' to be gay or not, but falls into the long-lived psychological argument of nature vs. nurture.
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Key of Twilight
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| summertime wrote: | | Key of Twilight wrote: | | when you are gay or straight there is no choice but when you are even a little bi the choices are there. |
The only choice I would think that would be there if a person is bisexual is which gender to date at the moment. When you're gay, you're attracted to the same gender. No choice in which gender you're attracted to. When you're straight, you're attracted to the opposite gender. No choice in which gender you're attracted to. When you're bisexual, you're attracted to both genders. No choice in which gender you're attracted to. The only choices I see, regardless of which gender you're attracted to, would be how you feel about the other person's personality and/or physical attractiveness. As to which gender you're attracted to, that is already established from the beginning. All my humble opinion, ofcourse (smile). |
Sorry if I was unclear in my meaning. All that I am saying is for a gay or straight person to switch sexualities it would require pretty extenuating circumstances. However, for a person who is bisexual switching from women to men and back to women is not that unexpected.
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Stereotypebe84
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Hello, my first post! This is a cool website. I hope to get to know all of you better.
Anyway...
The article states that homosexuality has a genetic influence, but is not hardwired. I think this is probably common knowledge. And well, this applies equally to heterosexuality, so at the end of the day, this article doesn't provide us with any new information on the etiology of homosexuality.
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RevJP
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I don't think it was meant to do so.
It was published, and I in turn posted it here, primarily to reinforce the truth that homosexual orientation has not been proven to be genetically determined.
This was an article I came across unexpectedly and speaks diametrically to the numerous posts on this board which try to convey the statistically and scientifically under supported idea that homosexual orientation has genetic, or physiological causes.
with that being said, I am not denying that such cannot be the case, only that those who promote such things are doing so with little supportable evidence (scientifically speaking).
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Stereotypebe84
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I hear you. However, I would like to reiterate that it is genetically influenced. But like I said, I hear you. Sometimes people want rhetoric to trump science, which annoys the crap out of me too. 
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RevJP
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| Quote: | | Sometimes people want rhetoric to trump science, which annoys the crap out of me too |
Which is exactly why I posted this article.
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FFT
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Just don't forget that you did the exact same thing with the thread title, only from a different perspective.
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RevJP
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just don't forget that I simply posted the title of the article as the thread title. If you have a problem with the title take it up with the person who wrote the article.
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FFT
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Fair enough
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