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Luvnlife
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JonMarie: | Quote: | Can you blame them?
Or perhaps you might be sporting a nose ring and purple hair? |
LOL.
No purple hair or nose ring here... (especially no nose ring. I practically faint at the sight of needles). 
Seriously.... how much damage could I do helping out in the kitchen? (Don't ask my husband that, though. He is the chief cook in our house) 
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Luvnlife
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| JonMarie wrote: | eleven: | Quote: | | So when you lie to a toddler telling them, sorry the TV is broken today, you are not going to fry in hell because you "lied". You love the kid and don't want him to be sitting in front of the dumb box all day. |
so then are you saying it is ok to lie, ok to lie to a toddler, or ok to lie if your motives for doing so are good? |
I bet most of us have lied to toddlers at least once. What do you tell a 3 year old whose dog had to be put to sleep? What about Santa, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy?
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JonMarie
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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Luv, I felt betrayed by my parents when I found out the truth about Santa. I promised myself that I would not do that to my kids, and I didn't.
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Luvnlife
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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| JonMarie wrote: | | Luv, I felt betrayed by my parents when I found out the truth about Santa. I promised myself that I would not do that to my kids, and I didn't. |
I did with my oldest and with my youngest at first. When my youngest asked me if there was a Santa, I told her no. She did not want to give the belief up for a while, even then and so she pretended for another couple of years after I told her the truth. She asked her dad about it the second time around and her dad told her that Santa is not a real man but is part of the spirit of Christmas.
We still do the tooth fairy but she's known for a long time that there's no such thing. It's just something fun for her as sometimes, I write sweet notes and add silly drawings that she finds with her 'tooth fairy' money.
Luv
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JonMarie
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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It is better when parents tell their kids the truth, rather than them hearing it from someone else.
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eleven
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:19 am Post subject: |
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| luvnlife wrote: | | JonMarie wrote: | eleven: | Quote: | | So when you lie to a toddler telling them, sorry the TV is broken today, you are not going to fry in hell because you "lied". You love the kid and don't want him to be sitting in front of the dumb box all day. |
so then are you saying it is ok to lie, ok to lie to a toddler, or ok to lie if your motives for doing so are good? |
I bet most of us have lied to toddlers at least once. What do you tell a 3 year old whose dog had to be put to sleep? What about Santa, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy?
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What I'm saying is you will come across the legalists that will tell you if you lie, you will burn in hell.
Will you?
We serve a loving Father who gives us grace and mercy abundantly. He came to give us a life of abundance.
Be of good cheer, He said, because I have overcome the world.
If you love God beyond all else and keep your focus on Him thoughout all you do, you can't lose.
So if I tell a toddler, I'm sorry, the TV is broken, because I would rather have him sit with me and read, or go take a walk, or do some "experimenting" with cooking in the kitchen rather than watch the mindlessTeletubbies for the billionth time on TV, you mean to tell me God is going to frown on that? I am going to burn in hell because I "officially" broke the 7th commandment? C'mon let's get real. But I guarantee you, there will always be those "religious " people that will swear that you will. I feel sorry for them!
God is Love, first and foremost God is LOVE.
Walk in Love and nothing else matters.
Not ritual, not religion, not legalities, nothing.
Walk in the Spirit of truth and love, and nothing else can touch you.
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eleven
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:34 am Post subject: |
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| JonMarie wrote: | | It is better when parents tell their kids the truth, rather than them hearing it from someone else. |
Wow, this one is a powerful one for me.
My daughter is now 26 years old, but when she was a child, even when she was a baby, she LOVED Santa.
Never afraid, this child would happily climb up on his lap and rabble on and on about her life. At first it was fun.
So I played into this charade. So much so, that one particular week, when she had been a little difficult to deal with (she was about 7 years old) I got a piece of coal from a neighbor of mine who had a coal burning stove, and left it on her breakfast plate to remind her that she had been "naughty". You should have seen her eyes- big as saucers, when she found it.
When my daughter turned 9 years old, she came to me one day and told me that her friends were mean cause they told here there was no such thing as Santa. She was angry!!! Looking me right in the eyes she asked me, there is, isn't there?
My heart crumpled! So I sat her down and told her the truth. That Santa wasn't an actual person, but he represented the spirit of giving. She cried for two days!
And I thought to myself, what the heck were you thinking??? Why in the world would you foster such a lie in your child. Santa is a worldy idea. We teach Santa, but not what Santa represents. One is of this earth, one is of the Spirit of God. I overlooked the spiritual in order to go with the sensational of the worldly.
To this day, I still feel bad about this. Just goes to show you how tempting the world can be, and how easily we are tempted to participate in it.
And lead us not into temptation................
So to all you parents and guardians out there, I would highly recommend this. It's ok to let your child participate in Santa, Easter Bunny, and so on, but be honest with them from the beginning. No this is not an actually being, but their message is very good and fun!!!
Santa represents giving and sharing because Jesus came to share and give to us. And the Easter Bunny is happy because Jesus gave us new life! How wonderful!!
Jesus spoke in parables to educate the people.
Use Santa and the Easter bunny as a parable, and your kids will still get to enjoy without being victims or a materialistic world.
Thanks for giving me the opportunity to share.
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Pete
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:04 am Post subject: |
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| eleven wrote: |
Jesus spoke in parables to educate the people.
Use Santa and the Easter bunny as a parable, and your kids will still get to enjoy without being victims or a materialistic world.
Thanks for giving me the opportunity to share. |
I'm afraid the opposite is true:
Matthew 13:10: "And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11: He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysreries of the kingdom of heaven, but unto them it is not given."
V. 13; "Therefore speak I unto them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand."
V. 15; "For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed."
Today folks have been raised on the Santa and Easter Bunny bit to the point that when they grow up, they actually believe that Christmas and Easter are Biblical and somehow have some significance with Christ. Telling grownups that they are pagan days, and not Biblical or Christian, is worse than telling a kid that there is no Santa, or Easter bunny. |
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eleven
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:27 am Post subject: |
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| Pete wrote: | | eleven wrote: |
Jesus spoke in parables to educate the people.
Use Santa and the Easter bunny as a parable, and your kids will still get to enjoy without being victims or a materialistic world.
Thanks for giving me the opportunity to share. |
I'm afraid the opposite is true:
Matthew 13:10: "And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11: He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysreries of the kingdom of heaven, but unto them it is not given."
V. 13; "Therefore speak I unto them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand."
V. 15; "For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed."
Today folks have been raised on the Santa and Easter Bunny bit to the point that when they grow up, they actually believe that Christmas and Easter are Biblical and somehow have some significance with Christ. Telling grownups that they are pagan days, and not Biblical or Christian, is worse than telling a kid that there is no Santa, or Easter bunny. |
Several points here:
Are you trying to tell me that Jesus spoke in parables to purposely confuse people?
Second: Santa and the Easter Bunny absolutely cannot educate children spiritually?
Third: That people today would put more faith in paganistic ritually, then the truth of God?
Ok, I'll give you the last one, but I still believe this is hope for the first two.
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Pete
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:32 am Post subject: |
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| eleven wrote: |
Jesus spoke in parables to educate the people
Several points here:
Are you trying to tell me that Jesus spoke in parables to purposely confuse people?
Second: Santa and the Easter Bunny absolutely cannot educate children spiritually?
Third: That people today would put more faith in paganistic ritually, then the truth of God?
Ok, I'll give you the last one, but I still believe this is hope for the first two. :D |
Yep to all three.
Mark 4:11; "And he said unto them, (Disciples) "Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without (outside the door), all these things are done in parables:" V.12; "That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them."
All of Mark 4 is an interesting read, but I won't quote it here. Actually chapter 3 from verse 22 on indicates that Jesus spoke in parables especially to the scribes and Pharisees who hated him (3:22).
Those that actively opposed Jesus, were the ones that he spoke to in parables. |
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eleven
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Pete wrote: | | eleven wrote: |
Jesus spoke in parables to educate the people
Several points here:
Are you trying to tell me that Jesus spoke in parables to purposely confuse people?
Second: Santa and the Easter Bunny absolutely cannot educate children spiritually?
Third: That people today would put more faith in paganistic ritually, then the truth of God?
Ok, I'll give you the last one, but I still believe this is hope for the first two. |
Yep to all three.
Mark 4:11; "And he said unto them, (Disciples) "Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without (outside the door), all these things are done in parables:" V.12; "That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them."
All of Mark 4 is an interesting read, but I won't quote it here. Actually chapter 3 from verse 22 on indicates that Jesus spoke in parables especially to the scribes and Pharisees who hated him (3:22).
Those that actively opposed Jesus, were the ones that he spoke to in parables. |
No, you misunderstood my question. What I asked was, did Jesus use parables to purposely confuse people?
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JonMarie
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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Getting back on topic; Is something going wrong in todays churches. Yes, many churches today are trying to be imitators of the world rather than imitators of Christ.
Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
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14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
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Luvnlife
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| Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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Jon Marie, you are sooo right!
Also, many are becoming as someone earlier stated 'the best show in town.'
We have a church in this area that have people who speak in tongues, they invite guest singers, have tent revivals and all kinds of tactics to pull people in.
Problem was, we did not have a whole lot of time left to study the bible after all was said and done.
We study the bible 'religiously' in the church I have been attending for the past several months.
Luv
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eleven
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A church doesn't have to "sell" God in order to bring people in.
God will sell Himself.
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JonMarie
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If a church is selling the financial riches and prosperiety gospel, walk away. If a church is teaching the pick up your cross and follow me gospel, you are blessed to be there.
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Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. |
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