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Mattathias
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| christina wrote: | habeshaw
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Why?
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:29 am Post subject: Christ Is God With Respect to Him Being the Lord |
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THE SEVENTH PROOF
Christ Is God With Respect to Him Being the Lord
If the Lord is God and Christ is the Lord, then Christ is God. We will present here verses from the Holy Bible to prove this.
(A) 'LORD' Is One of God's Names
God said in the Book of Isaiah the Prophet: "I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Saviour" (Is. 43:1 1), and: "I am the Lord, and there is no other, there is no God besides Me" (Is. 45:5), and: "Have not I, the Lord? And there is no other God besides Me" (Is. 45:21). The Lord Jesus Christ said, quoting from the Book of Deuteronomy, Chapter 6, verse 13: "You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve" (Luke 4:8); (Matt. 4: 10). He also said: " You shall not tempt the Lord your God" (Luke 4:12); (Matt. 4:7). So the Lord is God, that is why it is written in the Book of Deuteronomy: "For the Lord your God is God of gods and Lord of lords" (Deut. 10:17), and in the Book of Hosea: "I am the Lord your God.. and you shall know no God but Me" (Hos. 13:4). One of the most important verses which prove that 'Lord' is one of the names of God alone is what the Lord Himself said in the Book of Isaiah: "I am the Lord, that is My name; and My glory I will not give to another" (Is. 42:8).
(B) The Lord Jesus Was Called 'Lord' on Many Occasions That Revealed His Divinity
(1) "How then does David in the Spirit call Him 'Lord,' saying: 'The Lord said to My Lord, "Sit at My right hand, till I make Your enemies Your footstool" '? " (Ps. 110:1), David called Christ 'Lord', and the phrase 'sit at My right hand' adds to the power of the verse.
(2) The title 'Lord' was used in addressing the Lord Jesus
Christ in prayers. Prayer is worship in which the Lord 'Lord' should be addressed to God only. Regarding this the Lord Jesus Christ said in the Sermon on the Mount: "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven" (Matt. 7:21).
(3) The name 'Lord' will be used in addressing Christ on the Day of Judgment. The Lord Jesus Christ said: "Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!' " (Matt. 7:22,23). The discourse of those people with Christ as being the Judge, and His executing Judgment are proofs of His
Divinity.
(4) The name 'Lord' was addressed to Christ at the hour of death which is a very awkward hour. We see that a great saint like St. Stephen the first deacon, at the hour of his death, said: "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit" (Acts 7:59). St. Stephen confessed that Jesus is the Lord into whose hands he commended his spirit. He said these
words after he had seen Christ standing at the right hand of God in the highest. It is an explicit confession of Christ's Divinity. Similarly was the confession of the Penitent Thief who said: "Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom" (Luke 23:42),
(5) The name 'Lord' was attributed to Christ in the domain of creation. St. Paul the Apostle says: "One Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live" (1 Cor.8:6).
(6) The title 'Lord' was given to Christ by St. Thomas the
Apostle in expressing his faith. Having believed, after he had put his finger into the print of the nails, he said: "My Lord and my God!" (John 20:28) It was a very plain statement professing the Divinity of Christ.
(7) The name 'Lord' was attributed to Christ in relation to
the glory. St. Peter the Apostle said: "Grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen" (2 Pet. 3:18).
(8) The expression 'the Lord of glory' is a proof of Divinity because glory has no lord but God. And the expression 'Lord of glory' is much stronger than the expression 'to Him be glory'. Both of these expressions were said about the Lord Jesus Christ."for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory" (1 Cor.2:8).
(9) The Lord Jesus Christ was called Lord of lords. This
title is attributed to God only. It is written in the Book of
Deuteronomy: "For the Lord your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and awesome" (Deut. 10:17). We see that the title 'Lord of lords' was given to the Lord Jesus Christ on more than one occasion. In the Book of Revelation, it is written: "And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS" (Rev. 19:16), and: "These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings" (Rev. 17:14). Who then is the Lord of lords and King of kings but God Himself? And this was said about the Lord Jesus Christ in expressions indicating His Divinity.
(10) The Lord Jesus was also called 'the Lord of the Sabbath'. In His discourse with the Pharisees about deeds of mercy, the Lord Jesus replied to them in a way directing their attention to His Divinity. He said: "But I say to you that in this place there is One greater than the temple... 'I desire mercy and not sacrifice' ", and concluded His discourse by saying: "For the Son of man is Lord even of the Sabbath" (Matt. 12:1-8). Everyone knew that the Sabbath was the Lord's Day and that
the Law of the Sabbath was a Law given by God himself. But behold, the Lord Jesus Christ said that He is Lord even of the Sabbath, which means that He is the Lord of the Lord's Day and the Author of the Law itself. These words cannot be said except by God Himself.
(11) The title 'Lord' was used by St. Elizabeth when she
greeted the Virgin Mary. St. Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit when she heard the Virgin's greeting, and said to her: "But why is this granted to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? For indeed, as soon as the voice of your greeting sounded in my ears, the baby leaped in my womb for joy" (Luke 1:43). St. Elizabeth said this when she was filled with the Holy Spirit, and feeling unworthy to be visited by the mother of the Lord. That was a confession of Christ's Divinity.
(17) The angels used the title 'Lord' in referring to the Lord Jesus Christ, whether in declaring His birth or His resurrection. At His birth the angel said to the shepherds: "Do not be afraid, for behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy which will be to all people. For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Saviour, who is Christ the Lord" (Luke 2:10,11). On
the day of the Lord Jesus Christ's Resurrection, the angel said to the women: "You seek Jesus who was crucified. He is not here, for He is risen, as He said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay" (Matt. 28:5,6). Here we see the angel's testimony that Christ is the Lord.
The phrase 'The Lord Jesus' is used to terminate the
New Testament. The last two verses in the Book of Revelation are: "'Surely I am coming quickly.' Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus! The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen" (Rev. 22:20,21). At the Lord Jesus Christ's Second Coming, we receive Him with the phrase: "Come, Lord Jesus!" and until He comes, may the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with us. The word 'Lord' is an explicit testimony that Christ is
God because we never say 'our Lord' to human beings.
By the Above reason, we say Jesus is God. |
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Ryck
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:22 am Post subject: Re: hi |
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| habeshaw wrote: | hi..
my internet connection was so limited, and i didn't acces this site, that is why i become disconnected from you all,
now i am back... |
No problem. Happens to all of us. |
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Ryck
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:33 am Post subject: Re: Christ Is God With Respect to Him Being the Lord |
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| habeshaw wrote: | THE SEVENTH PROOF[/color]
Christ Is God With Respect to Him Being the Lord
If the Lord is God and Christ is the Lord, then Christ is God. We will present here verses from the Holy Bible to prove this.
(A) 'LORD' Is One of God's Names
God said in the Book of Isaiah the Prophet: "I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Saviour" (Is. 43:1 1), and: "I am the Lord, and there is no other, there is no God besides Me" (Is. 45:5), and: "Have not I, the Lord? And there is no other God besides Me" (Is. 45:21). The Lord Jesus Christ said, quoting from the Book of Deuteronomy, Chapter 6, verse 13: "You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve" (Luke 4:8); (Matt. 4: 10). He also said: " You shall not tempt the Lord your God" (Luke 4:12); (Matt. 4:7). So the Lord is God, that is why it is written in the Book of Deuteronomy: "For the Lord your God is God of gods and Lord of lords" (Deut. 10:17), and in the Book of Hosea: "I am the Lord your God.. and you shall know no God but Me" (Hos. 13:4). One of the most important verses which prove that 'Lord' is one of the names of God alone is what the Lord Himself said in the Book of Isaiah: "I am the Lord, that is My name; and My glory I will not give to another" (Is. 42:8).
(B) The Lord Jesus Was Called 'Lord' on Many Occasions That Revealed His Divinity
(1) "How then does David in the Spirit call Him 'Lord,' saying: 'The Lord said to My Lord, "Sit at My right hand, till I make Your enemies Your footstool" '? " (Ps. 110:1), David called Christ 'Lord', and the phrase 'sit at My right hand' adds to the power of the verse.
(2) The title 'Lord' was used in addressing the Lord Jesus
Christ in prayers. Prayer is worship in which the Lord 'Lord' should be addressed to God only. Regarding this the Lord Jesus Christ said in the Sermon on the Mount: "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven" (Matt. 7:21).
(3) The name 'Lord' will be used in addressing Christ on the Day of Judgment. The Lord Jesus Christ said: "Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!' " (Matt. 7:22,23). The discourse of those people with Christ as being the Judge, and His executing Judgment are proofs of His
Divinity.
(4) The name 'Lord' was addressed to Christ at the hour of death which is a very awkward hour. We see that a great saint like St. Stephen the first deacon, at the hour of his death, said: "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit" (Acts 7:59). St. Stephen confessed that Jesus is the Lord into whose hands he commended his spirit. He said these
words after he had seen Christ standing at the right hand of God in the highest. It is an explicit confession of Christ's Divinity. Similarly was the confession of the Penitent Thief who said: "Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom" (Luke 23:42),
(5) The name 'Lord' was attributed to Christ in the domain of creation. St. Paul the Apostle says: "One Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live" (1 Cor.8:6).
(6) The title 'Lord' was given to Christ by St. Thomas the
Apostle in expressing his faith. Having believed, after he had put his finger into the print of the nails, he said: "My Lord and my God!" (John 20:28) It was a very plain statement professing the Divinity of Christ.
(7) The name 'Lord' was attributed to Christ in relation to
the glory. St. Peter the Apostle said: "Grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen" (2 Pet. 3:18).
(8) The expression 'the Lord of glory' is a proof of Divinity because glory has no lord but God. And the expression 'Lord of glory' is much stronger than the expression 'to Him be glory'. Both of these expressions were said about the Lord Jesus Christ."for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory" (1 Cor.2:8).
(9) The Lord Jesus Christ was called Lord of lords. This
title is attributed to God only. It is written in the Book of
Deuteronomy: "For the Lord your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and awesome" (Deut. 10:17). We see that the title 'Lord of lords' was given to the Lord Jesus Christ on more than one occasion. In the Book of Revelation, it is written: "And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS" (Rev. 19:16), and: "These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings" (Rev. 17:14). Who then is the Lord of lords and King of kings but God Himself? And this was said about the Lord Jesus Christ in expressions indicating His Divinity.
(10) The Lord Jesus was also called 'the Lord of the Sabbath'. In His discourse with the Pharisees about deeds of mercy, the Lord Jesus replied to them in a way directing their attention to His Divinity. He said: "But I say to you that in this place there is One greater than the temple... 'I desire mercy and not sacrifice' ", and concluded His discourse by saying: "For the Son of man is Lord even of the Sabbath" (Matt. 12:1-8). Everyone knew that the Sabbath was the Lord's Day and that
the Law of the Sabbath was a Law given by God himself. But behold, the Lord Jesus Christ said that He is Lord even of the Sabbath, which means that He is the Lord of the Lord's Day and the Author of the Law itself. These words cannot be said except by God Himself.
(11) The title 'Lord' was used by St. Elizabeth when she
greeted the Virgin Mary. St. Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit when she heard the Virgin's greeting, and said to her: "But why is this granted to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? For indeed, as soon as the voice of your greeting sounded in my ears, the baby leaped in my womb for joy" (Luke 1:43). St. Elizabeth said this when she was filled with the Holy Spirit, and feeling unworthy to be visited by the mother of the Lord. That was a confession of Christ's Divinity.
(17) The angels used the title 'Lord' in referring to the Lord Jesus Christ, whether in declaring His birth or His resurrection. At His birth the angel said to the shepherds: "Do not be afraid, for behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy which will be to all people. For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Saviour, who is Christ the Lord" (Luke 2:10,11). On
the day of the Lord Jesus Christ's Resurrection, the angel said to the women: "You seek Jesus who was crucified. He is not here, for He is risen, as He said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay" (Matt. 28:5,6). Here we see the angel's testimony that Christ is the Lord.
The phrase 'The Lord Jesus' is used to terminate the
New Testament. The last two verses in the Book of Revelation are: "'Surely I am coming quickly.' Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus! The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen" (Rev. 22:20,21). At the Lord Jesus Christ's Second Coming, we receive Him with the phrase: "Come, Lord Jesus!" and until He comes, may the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with us. The word 'Lord' is an explicit testimony that Christ is
God because we never say 'our Lord' to human beings.
By the Above reason, we say Jesus is God. |
I'll sum up by reminding that "Lord" is a royal title.
Obviously God the Father is "Lord". And as for any member of royalty so the Son is "Lord" too. But having the same title of "Lord" doesn't make anyone the same person as another, either senior or junior, of the same title. Just like one "Mister" is not the same person as another "Mister".
The apostle Paul clarified the matter:
NIV 1Co 8:5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords"), 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
Interesting that the Apostle Paul separated the two very distinctly. And he focused on the senior - God the Father - by his absolute title "one God" while the junior - the Son Jesus Christ - by his title as "one Lord" in a lessor vein by royal connection only. |
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Mattathias
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:29 pm Post subject: Re: Christ Is God With Respect to Him Being the Lord |
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| habeshaw wrote: | The word 'Lord' is an explicit testimony that Christ is
God because we never say 'our Lord' to human beings.
By the Above reason, we say Jesus is God. |
Introducing the Lord Mayor of London. 
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The Lord Mayor is neither the Lord Messiah nor the Lord God.
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Mattathias
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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Also introducing the members of the House of Lords.
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You will find many a "Lord" on the roll. None are the Lord Messiah or the Lord God.
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Mattathias
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:36 pm Post subject: Re: hi |
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| habeshaw wrote: | hi..
my internet connection was so limited, and i didn't acces this site, that is why i become disconnected from you all,
now i am back... |
I'm glad you found your way back to us. 
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| habeshaw wrote: | | (1) "How then does David in the Spirit call Him 'Lord,' saying: 'The Lord said to My Lord, "Sit at My right hand, till I make Your enemies Your footstool" '? " (Ps. 110:1), David called Christ 'Lord', and the phrase 'sit at My right hand' adds to the power of the verse. |
The first "Lord" in this verse (the most frequently quoted or alluded to OT verse in the NT) is the Lord God (Adonai). The second "Lord" is someone other than YHWH - and that person is a human king (adoni).
The word adoni (pronounced "adonee") occurs 195 times in the OT and means a superior person who is not God. Adonai occurs 449 times in the OT and refers exclusively to the One God (YHWH). Adonai is the title of deity; adoni never designates deity.
This verse is actually very strong evidence that Jesus is not the Lord God. The immortalized human - the Lord Messiah (Jesus) - is now sitting at the right hand of the deity - the Lord God (YHWH).
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| Quote: | Adoni and Adonai
by William Kilgore
WORD-STUDIES — PART II:
In issue #9 [Focus on the Kingdom] (July 5, 1998) I wrote about the folly that is sometimes exhibited in so-called “word studies.” I offered three examples of such. In my third example I mentioned an article which sought to prove that Jesus is not God by appealing to the Hebrew of Psalm 110:1. This particular item generated some correspondence between the author of that article and myself. While we both stand by our Christology (I am Trinitarian; he is Socinian), nevertheless I felt that a clarification was in order.
While I maintain that the article’s author draws erroneous conclusions from his research, he does point out a widely promoted error among Trinitarians. Simply put, this error is the contention that the “my lord” of Psalm 110:1 is the Hebrew “Adonai,” a word reserved for THE LORD, God Himself. Although I am an orthodox Trinitarian, error is error — and this notion is error. The word translated “my lord” (in reference to Jesus) is a form of adon (that form being adoni), but is not adonai. This mistaken idea permeates Trinitarian articles and books, being committed again and again.
For instance, one of my favorite Bible teachers writes, “In the most commonly quoted Old Testament passage in the New Testament, Psalm 110, David says, ‘The Lord said to my Lord’ or ‘Yahweh said to my Adonai’ (Ps. 110:1). The New Testament application of this verse saw it stressing the divinity, authority, and sovereignty of Christ when Yahweh, the Father, addressed Adonai, the Son” (R.C. Sproul, Tabletalk, “Adonai, God is Lord,” December, 1995). This is simply not true.
The fact that “my lord” in Psalm 110:1 is not adonai can be easily verified by anyone with a Strong’s Concordance (although verifying that it is adoni will require a lexicon). Among the lessons here we can glean the following: 1) Even good orthodox Bible teachers make mistakes. Those at Berea checked out even the Apostle Paul (Acts 17:11)!
2) Genuine errors can be made in the name of defending truth. Most importantly, such errors are never justified simply because they are made while defending truth. In fact, the cause of orthodoxy is actually hurt by such error. It gives others cause to attack the truth.
In short, the long-standing error involving the idea that adonai is in Psalm 110:1 has probably become so commonplace among evangelicals that all of those employing it no doubt have no idea that it is not true. It has been “handed down.” I pray they all start checking their facts. This is just as much a “sloppy word-study” error as any. |
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Psalm 110:1a as correctly rendered by the NRSV:
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YHWH says to my lord (a human king).
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:50 pm Post subject: Divinity Vs Respect |
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hi all, thanks for response,
when i post the 7th reason, the overall implication of the word 'Lord' listed has a divinity nature,not just a respect given, the post indicates that, when we refer 'Lord' in its Divinity meaning, it belongs to only the One God, and this 'Lord', which is used to discribe the Divinity meaning has beeen given to Jesus Christ too, which means that Jesus is that One God, which deserves to be called
"Lord' with its divinity Meaning. Because this word 'Lord' with its divinity meaning was never given to other than the One God.And since Jesus Christ is this one God, this title with its meaning is given to him.
as you have said, there are a lot of places the word lord is listed, like the Wife of Abraham call her hasband 'my lord', and he also call her 'my lady', etc... but does this type of calling has divinity nature, No.But respect, and Love.
But look, Tomas said to Christ,
'Oh My God, and My Lord', it ofcourse indicates its divinity meaning.
That is what the meaning of the above post at all.
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Mattathias
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Habeshaw.
The application of Psalm 110:1 to Jesus in the NT tells us that Adonai (YHWH) spoke (prophetically) to adoni (Jesus).
Jesus is not Adonai.
YHWH is Adonai.
Jesus is not YHWH.
שמע ישראל יהוה אלהינו יהוה אחד
Shema Yisrael Adonai elohenu Adonai echad.
Hear, Israel. YHWH is our God. YHWH alone. (Deuteronomy 6:4)
YHWH is the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Jesus.
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| Mattathias wrote: | Psalm 110:1a as correctly rendered by the NRSV:
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YHWH says to my lord (a human king). |
Thanks for the many examples of Lords. |
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| Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 5:25 am Post subject: Re: Divinity Vs Respect |
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| habeshaw wrote: | hi all, thanks for response,
when i post the 7th reason, the overall implication of the word 'Lord' listed has a divinity nature,not just a respect given, the post indicates that, when we refer 'Lord' in its Divinity meaning, it belongs to only the One God, and this 'Lord', which is used to discribe the Divinity meaning has beeen given to Jesus Christ too, which means that Jesus is that One God, which deserves to be called
"Lord' with its divinity Meaning. Because this word 'Lord' with its divinity meaning was never given to other than the One God.And since Jesus Christ is this one God, this title with its meaning is given to him.
as you have said, there are a lot of places the word lord is listed, like the Wife of Abraham call her hasband 'my lord', and he also call her 'my lady', etc... but does this type of calling has divinity nature, No.But respect, and Love.
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You are altering the subject and your premise.
You made a claim and a run on the word "Lord" which didn't prove on examination. There was ample counter-evidence plus additional evidence for you to consider which you didn't even try to directly refute. You are basically repeating yourself.
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But look, Tomas said to Christ,
'Oh My God, and My Lord', it ofcourse indicates its divinity meaning.
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So if you surprize someone profoundly and they utter "OH MY GOD!" or "OH MY LORD!" or both, is everyone in the room supposed to think you are God or the Lord??
And don't forget what Jesus said in the same chapter at John 20:17!
I cannot imagine John giving the account of what happened during the resurrection of Jesus Christ and then imply a contradiction just a few verses later on the matter of Thomas.
So I have to think that those of your position are putting MORE meaning into what Thomas was saying than what both Thomas saying and John writing about it had in mind! |
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