30 Proofed reasons why Jesus is God.

habeshaw · Growing Guppy Joined: 18 Jun 2008 Posts: 41

Mattattias, Hi
i did not belive that those who donot get the truth will no be saved, but i saw two things they missed

1. They do not get the Peace of Jesus
2. They will not come in to Perfection

But most of the time, since these bodies tries their best to criticize another belif which they think is wrong, and but the fact is right, God might be sad about them.

They will be punished not because they didn't know the truth, but they will be punished when they try to insult the truth.

For example, Mr x. can say that he does not know Jesus, since he has given free will and he can choose his own Jesus or God, but when he start saying that
Jesus is Created, or do not have an authority on any thing by him self, Jesus will be sad at Him.

About me, even i donot blame the Prophet Mohammed, since i am not sure enough to conclude he denied Jesus,May be he belive in Jesus and other muslim Prepare their own belife, cause it is known that the Holy Kuran is written after a few hundred years of the death of Mohammed.

What i exactly want to say is, i have the right to do not know, but it might be sin to say that what i do not know is wrong.

Ryck, i do not blame you for not beliving in Jesus, since you are my brother by Jesus, and i want you to read what i try to post on the reasons of God, by just stoping for a while what you know before.

Ryck, my God is Your God, don't you belive by the God of Abraham, Yshak, Jacob, that is the God i belive in, the Only God, and I am sure that you belive in this God too.

So Ryck, if that is the case, now i am showing you that, that God of Abraham, Yisahk, and Jacob, is Jesus. and if you can follow me with a positive heart, we might come in compromise. So just try to see all the possibilities that Jesus is that only God.

Let God give us Wisdom.

Let God Bless Us all.

Mattathias · Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:39 pm Post subject:

Mattathias · Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:54 pm Post subject:

Habeshaw.

If my understanding is correct, the Ethiopian Orthodox (and Coptic Orthodox) church believes in Monophysitism. How does that effect your relationship with Chalcedon churches?
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habeshaw · Growing Guppy Joined: 18 Jun 2008 Posts: 41

hi Mattattias, you are right about the the nature of Christ. And the Ethiopian Orthodox And Coptic Orthodox and other orthodox churchs, i belive, do not accept the Calcedian assembly,
We belive that Jesus has one nature, and Pure Human as well as Pure God,
We do not belive like he acts as human using the flesh, and acts as Divine using his Divinity nature.

The Lord Jesus Christ is God Himself, the Incarnate Logos. Who took to Himself a perfect manhood. His Divine nature is one with his human nature yet without mingling, confusion or alteration; a complete Hypostatic Union. Words are inadequate to describe this union. It was said, that without controversy, "Great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the
flesh, (1 Tim. 3:16).

As this union is permanent, never divided nor separated, we say in the liturgy that His Godhead never departed from His manhood for a single moment nor even for a twinkle of an eye.

The Divine nature (God the Word) was united with the human nature which He took of the Virgin Mary by the action of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit purified and sanctified the Virgin's womb so that the Child to whom she gave birth would inherit nothing of the original sin; the flesh formed of her blood was united with the Only-Begotten Son. This unity took place from the first moment of the Holy Pregnancy in the Virgin's womb.

As a result of the unity of both natures-the Divine and the
human-inside the Virgin's womb, one nature was formed
out of both: "The One Nature of God the Incarnate Logos" as St. Cyril called it.

Mattatias, i think this is what we belive about Jesus.
he used his flesh while he was on earth, and he will use that flesh while he sit on the Judgement.

Any way i might come about this in another post.

By the way, the nine saints, who donot accept the Calcedian assembly come to ethiopia to live and start the monastry life here, and still this is practised here.

Let God Bless Us All.

Ray J · Not So Newbie Joined: 29 Jul 2008 Posts: 6 Location: PA

I am not a writer, I don't even enjoy reading that much, but I felt it necessary at this time in my life to get a few things down on paper. I have had a desire to know God as long as I can remember, however a lot of church doctrine has only left me with questions. I have had so many people tell me that it is all a great mystery and that no man can fathom the ways of God. In some ways that is true, but I don't believe that the basic question of "Who Is God" can exist without answers.
The Bible tells us that God is omnipresent. That means He is everywhere all the time. We all know about the billions of stars and vast galaxies out there where distance can only be measured in light years. If God is truly omnipresent does His Spirit span the entire universe at the same time? ....Psalms 139:7-8 Why do people pray for the Spirit of God to present at their particular worship service? It sounds like He's already there filling that building and every other square inch of the universe! There's just no getting way from God. This must be a hard concept to grasp. Man has a hard time breaking away from the confines of the five senses. We seem to have to assign three dimensions to everything and everything must exist in that space. I think this is why God is so blessed when we believe, because we have reached out to someone that we can not see.

John 1:1-3 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him: and without him was not anything made that was made." Sounds like God and his Word are knit very closely together. What is God's Word? ... What is your word? It is your thoughts, your mind, and your will, all that makes you, you. If you write your words on paper, it is your thoughts recorded in a way that others can learn from.
God is Holy. God is Spirit, John 4:24. If you could analyze the essence of God you would find two things, Spirit and Holiness. God is Holy Spirit as you and I are flesh and bones. So when we read the phrase Holy Spirit in The Word it refers to "what" God is in contrast to who He is. Where the confusion sets in is the fact that the term holy spirit is also used to describe the gift that the believers received on the day of Pentecost. This is also a gift that you and I receive when we are "born again". The Word says that we are "new beings, created in Christ Jesus." The word "created" is very important to understand. Whenever the word "created" is used it means to bring into existence something that was not there before. When God "created" the heavens and earth, He brought into existence something that was not there before. So when we are "born again" we receive the gift of holy spirit, something brand new, something that was not there before, it is "created" in us. The King James translators tried show this contrast by capitalizing the words "Holy Spirit" when they referred to God and using lower case "holy spirit" when referring to the "gift". So any time we see these words, we must determine through the context if it is referring to the "Giver" or the "gift".

WHO IS JESUS CHRIST
Jesus Christ is:
1-Second in authority to God only, - John 14:28 I Corin. 11:3 and I Corin. 15:27-28
2-The promised seed, son of Mary, conceived by God, Gen. 3:15 Matt. 1:18-20 Gal. 3:16
3-Son of man, Luke 5:24
4-A man tempted as we are, Hebrews 2:16-18 Hebrews 4:15
5-A faithful high priest who fulfilled all the law, Hebrews 3:1-2 Matt. 5:17
6-A man, the mediator between man and God, I Tim. 2:5
7-Our brother, Hebrews 2:11
8-Limited in knowledge, Mark 13:32
9-Our passover lamb, I Corinthians 5:7
10-Foreknown before the foundation of the world, I Peter 1:20

As fathers and sons are similar, Jesus Christ and God are similar, but not identical.
God cannot be tempted, Jesus Christ was.
God sits on his throne.
Jesus Christ sits on God's right hand.

Jesus Christ had his own will separate from God and could choose his own path as we see when he prayed to his Father before his crucifixion. Matthew 26:39. At that point, he knew what was going to happen, he had his own free will, the soldiers had not yet come, He could just of easily walked off into the sunset. But we know he chose to follow the will of his Father and not his own. We also see this very clearly in John 5:30 (Jesus speaking) "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
According to the Church history the Trinitarian doctrine was formulated in 325 AD by the Nicaean Council of Consstantinople. Let's take a quick peek at the originator of the Nicaean Council. Its promoter was an interesting young man named Constantine, a second generation Emperor of the decaying Roman Empire. Constantine was not only the promoter, but also the 100% financier of this little convention. He had a lot riding on the outcome of this council and the six documents that it produced. (Most only concern themselves with one document; The Nicaean Creed). Anyways, as I was saying, Constantine was an interesting fellow. He was certainly an able leader, a so-so diplomat and a loving son, but, it kind of goes down hill for him from there. He was loved by his ruthless army and by his mother (who proclaimed herself a Christian) but beyond that, most either feared or steered clear of him because of his nature. Today, over 1600 years after his death, Constantine is still listed by historians as one of the most disloyal, self-serving, treacherous and tyrannical leaders that the world has ever seen. The Bible is quite specific in warning about building a belief system based upon documents outside of the true Word of God.
In the year 492 Emperor Theodosius made disbelief of the Trinity a capital crime. On October 27, 1553 John Calvin, the founder of Calvinism, had Michael Servetus, a Spanish physician, burned at the stake just outside of Geneva being accused of denying "Tri-Theism". Today, things have not changed that much. "You can not be saved if you do not believe in the Trinity".
Years later, when Martin Luther broke away from the Roman Catholic Church changes were made in the Trinitarian doctrine. If this doctrine were true there would not be any need for changes. He didn't seem to like the idea that Mary was the mother of God, but if Jesus Christ is
God and Mary was his mother ... well, why would you want to mess with it, if indeed this is "Biblical" doctrine.
I can not find the following in scripture: Trinity, God the Son, Three In One, God-man, fully God and fully man, co-equal or co-eternal.
I can only conclude that these terms were "made up" by someone.

The Messiah of God Luke 18:19
The Father who sent me John 5:37
Christ Jesus, himself human I Tim. 2:5
I am assending to my Father, to my God John 20:17
No one is good but God alone Mark 10:17-18
The Lord our God, the Lord is one Mark 12:28-34
No one hath seen God at any time I John 4:12

In John 14:28 Jesus states very clearly that he is not coequal with God his Father. "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father, for the Father is greater than I." The same is said in Mark 10:17-18 "And when He was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him and asked him, Good master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? And Jesus said
unto him, why callest thow me good? There is none good but one, that is God."

In Luke 2:52 it says that "Jesus increased in wisdom." How could God increase in wisdom? How could God increase in anything??

Q. If Jesus is indeed the true Son of God could he have a God?
A. Sure, his Father.

Q. If Jesus is God, could this God Have a God?
A. Ahhhhhh… Could you repeat the question?

The Church claims to worship the God of Israel but all through history, Israel has never proclaimed a "three in one" God. What is wrong with this picture? God does not change.
Should the coming of the Messiah have changed who we believed God to be?

Who is the God of Israel?.... Hey, I've got an idea !!! Why don't we ask Israel.

The following is an excerpt of a letter sent to me by Rabbi Don Rossoff:

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God is one. The watchword of our faith - that which believing Jews have on their lips to their dying moment - is the declaration know as "Sh'ma" from the book of Deuteronomy: Sh'mah Yis-ra-ayl Ado-nai Elo-hay-nu, Ado-nai eh-chad! Hear, O Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is one!
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Ryck · Lion King Joined: 05 Dec 2002 Posts: 1094

Hi Ray J,

I enjoyed your post and welcome to the forum!

habeshaw · Growing Guppy Joined: 18 Jun 2008 Posts: 41

THE FIFTH PROOF

Christ Is God With Respect to His Other Relations with the Holy Spirit

In this proof, we will present two important points:

(A) The Holy Spirit Takes of What Is Christ's

In the Lord's discourse with His disciples about the Holy Spirit,He said: "He will glorify Me for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you" (John 16:14), and: "All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you" (John 15:16).

How is it possible that the Spirit of God takes from another to give to people? How can this possibly be said about the Spirit of God who spoke through the prophets and taught them everything and granted them different gifts? How can the Spirit of God take from Christ unless Christ is God Himself?

What is the spiritual interpretation of the Holy Spirit taking of what is Christ's?

Christ is the Incarnate Second Person of the Holy Trinity. The Second Person is the Person of Reason, Knowledge,
Understanding and Rational Expression in the Holy Trinity.
Therefore, theologically speaking, the Holy Spirit can take
from the Person of Knowledge. The Lord Jesus Christ
explained this when He said: "All things that the Father has are Mine" (John 16: 15).

(B) Christ Was Conceived of the Holy Spirit

In the story of the birth of Christ, we see that St. Matthew the Evangelist says: "After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with Child of the Holy Spirit" (Matt. 1: 18). This declaration is confirmed when the angel said to Joseph, 'for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit" (Matt. 1:20). St. Luke the Evangelist recorded the words of the angel to the Virgin Mary: "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One
who is to be born will be called the Son of God" (Luke 1:35).

Who then is Christ? And what is His Nature?

(1) Christ is of the Spirit of God, as St. Matthew the
Apostle says, "...for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit." That is why the Holy Spirit came upon the Virgin Mary and she was found with Child of the Holy Spirit. Since Christ was born of the Holy Spirit, therefore His birth has two consequences, in accordance with the Gospel of St. Luke the Evangelist: First, that He is Holy and second, that He is the Son of God. Both consequences indicate His Divinity.

(2) God is Spirit (John 4:24) and Christ is of the Spirit of
God. Therefore He is of the very essence of God and has the same Nature with Him. That is why He is called Holy which is one of God's names, as the Virgin called Him in her magnificat: "And holy is His name" (Luke 1:49).

Finnally, if we say God is Sprit, and Christ is of the Sprit of God, and since we have one God, we say, Jesus is God.

Let God give us Wisdom.

habeshaw · Growing Guppy Joined: 18 Jun 2008 Posts: 41

THE SIXTH PROOF
Christ Is God With Respect to His Descent from Heaven

(1) The Lord Jesus Christ says: "I am the bread which
came down from heaven" (John 6:41), and thus He is the Giver of life, 'for the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world" (John 6:33). The Lord Jesus Christ repeats: "I have come down from heaven" (John 6:38), and explains His coming down from heaven by saying:

(2) "I came forth from the Father and have come into the world. Again, I leave the world and go to the Father" (John 16:28). He emphasizes the statement of His coming down from the Father by saying to His isciples: "The Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me, and have believed that I came forth from God" (John 16:27). He also repeated this meaning in His discourse with the Jews in the same Gospel, Chapter 8, verse 42.

(3) Therefore, Christ is not from earth but from heaven.
He came forth from the Father. That was His original dwelling, and His appearance in the flesh among people on earth is because He "made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a servant, and coming in the likeness of men" (Phil. 2:7). But He had to ascend to the heavens from which He descended. As for this earth, He existed before its creation, or rather it was He who created it. Yet, since eternity He has been in the Father
who is His natural or rather His dignified dwelling.

(4) The Lord explained His descent from heaven and His
ascension into it to Nicodemus when He said: "No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven" (John 3:13). What is meant here by heaven is the heaven of heavens which nobody has ascended to or descended from except Christ, being the Second Person of the Holy Trinity, "who is in the bosom of the Father" (John 1:18). The heaven of heavens is where the throne of God is, because in the Sermon on the Mount the Lord said that heaven is God's throne (Matt. 5: 34). The expression the Son of Man who is in heaven' means that Christ
was in heaven whilst He was on earth. Being on earth and in heaven at the same time is a proof of His Divinity. The event of His ascension into heaven (Acts.1:9) is the fulfilment of the words He said to His disciples: "Again, I leave the world and go to the Father" (John 16:28).

(5) Christ not only dwells in heaven, but has authority
there. He received the spirit of St. Stephen the first deacon, who said whilst he was being stoned: "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit" (Acts.7:59). The Lord Jesus Christ granted the Penitent Thief to enter into Paradise which is the third heaven (2 Cor. 12:2,4), when He said to him: "Today you will be with Me in Paradise" (Luke 23:43). Who receives the spirits of the departed and has the authority to let them into Paradise, except God Himself? Christ did that.

(6) Christ also gave the Apostles the keys of heaven. He
said to St. Peter, representing the Apostles: "And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven" (Matt. 16:19). And He said to the Apostles: "whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven" (Matt. 18:18). Here, we ask a question: Who has the authority to give the keys of the kingdom of heaven to people and give them the authority to bind and loose there except God Himself?

(7) Christ is worshipped by the heavenly powers. The
Apostle says that "at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth" (Phil. 2:10). The worship of the angels to the Lord Jesus Christ is a proof of His Divinity.

(8) Christ is higher than the heavens and He is in heaven
interceding for us. St. Paul the Apostle says that "He ever lives to make intercession for them. For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens" (Heb. 7:25,26).

By this Six Reason and the above respective 5 reasons, we say that Jesus is the True God.

Let God Bless U All.

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habeshaw
The proof you say you have isnt proof at all.
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james · Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 4:05 pm Post subject:

I still do not find "God is a trinity" in the bible, let alone the word trinity. This term seems to be the finite mind trying to understand the infinite God by bringing Him down to their understanding.
So many people who believe in the trinity say it can not be understood fully(this I have heard from many many pastors who believe this doctrine), and yet God wants to fully reveal Himself to us.