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Evee
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-- I believe that everyone is a child of God so should be treated accordingly.
-- I believe that it is extremely hard to love one's neighbor when they aren't loveable, hence the reason why Jesus asked us to do it. Shows who are His true followers & who aren't.
-- I am a follower of Jesus.
-- I am a member of the United Church of Christ.
-- I believe that God is the only one allowed to judge another.
There's more but I can't think right now. Toodles! 
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GospelCompilation
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GOD IN CHRIST
My wife and I believe that the one and only God, the Father, physically dwelt in the body of Christ, in order to reconcile the world to Himself. However, we do not believe that Jesus was God. We believe that Jesus was a man of flesh and blood - the tabernacle in which God dwelt among His people. Most importantly, though, we believe that God was in Christ in order to show us His character in action, so that we could see and know and understand how to be like Him.
CHRIST'S RETURN
We believe Jesus came once and therefore will return once. We believe the tribulation has already passed and Babylon is in the process of falling. Therefore, we look for Christ's literal, physical return in the clouds, when believers will be either translated or resurrected - all at the same time together.
PAUL'S WRITINGS
We believe that Paul's writings are the source of nearly all confusion and dissension found in Christianity. We have found very few Churches that fight over Jesus' teachings, or even the teachings of the Old Testament. Rather, we have found that Christians argue over Paul's writings. Therefore, we strongly believe that Paul's writings should be translated through the Old Testament and Jesus, rather than translating Jesus and the Old Testament through Paul's writings.
HELL AND THE IMMORTAL SOUL
We do not believe in the traditional doctrine of hell, nor that we immediately ascend into heaven or hell when we die - we believe both of these ideas stem from the doctrine of the immortal soul, which we do not accept.
THE GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT
We believe that all men will stand before the Great White Throne Judgment and have an opportunity to see God face to face and to finally understand the whole story of what really happened on our planet and why, so that every person who ever lived can make a legitimate, educated decision as to who they wish to follow: whether it be themselves, or God.
NO CHURCH AFFILIATION
We do not belong to any church, because we believe the 144,000 will be virgins (and churches are represented by women in the book of Revelation), and we don't want our ministry to be associated with any particular denomination. We believe God's people are in every church in every place all over the world.
GOD'S CHILDREN
And the reason we believe that God's people are everywhere is because we believe every single human being who has ever lived on this planet is a child of God. Therefore, we treat everyone the same: because we believe we are all the same, whether some choose to recognize it or not.
BORN WITH A SINLESS NATURE
We believe we are born perfect, with a sinless nature, just as Adam and Eve were created in the Garden of Eden. However, we believe the influence of sin upon us from birth - through our parents and siblings, teachers and peers, friends and neighbors, bosses and co-workers, and society at large, etc. - all work to corrupt our development, and eventually change our perfect, sinless natures into corrupted, sinful natures. Therefore, we believe the reason spiritual sanctification takes a lifetime is because worldly corruption took a lifetime.
PRACTICAL CHRISTIANITY
We also believe in a practical Christianity, which means this: If what we believe doesn't have some useful, practical purpose in life - then it isn't worth believing ourselves or sharing with others. We believe Jesus taught a practical gospel - one that could be used in every moment of every day with every human being in every situation. And we try to keep our Christianity as simple and as useful as His. Because, we believe that if we can't put our beliefs to use in our daily lives, then our beliefs will serve no purpose than to further corrupt us. |
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eleven
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:35 am Post subject: |
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| GospelCompilation wrote: | GOD IN CHRIST
My wife and I believe that the one and only God, the Father, physically dwelt in the body of Christ, in order to reconcile the world to Himself. However, we do not believe that Jesus was God. We believe that Jesus was a man of flesh and blood - the tabernacle in which God dwelt among His people. Most importantly, though, we believe that God was in Christ in order to show us His character in action, so that we could see and know and understand how to be like Him.
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That's too bad. Because if you can't except who Jesus was, you will never understand who you are.
Do you know who you are?
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GospelCompilation
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:13 am Post subject: |
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| Eleven wrote: | | "If you can't accept who Jesus was, you will never understand who you are. Do you know who you are?" |
While we appreciate the criticism, Eleven, we understand your comment in this way: "If you can't accept who Jesus was in the same way I accept Him, then you will never understand who you are in the same way that I have come to understand who I am."
So, instead of making a judgmental accusation, you could have simply shared with us who you think you are. Then we might learn who we are in the process of your sharing testimony with us. That is, after all, the purpose of being a witness - sharing with another what we have seen and heard.
But we shouldn't pretend to know that another human being doesn't know who they are just because they don't think about or perceive an idea the same we do. You yourself teach that same principle, my friend. |
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JB
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:16 am Post subject: |
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Eleven,
Maybe you should take this one to the debate forum.
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eleven
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:23 am Post subject: |
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| JB wrote: | Eleven,
Maybe you should take this one to the debate forum.
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Nope, no debate necessary. This is such a simple concept, it needs no debate, only quiet meditation.
It is so obvious, we have missed it for thousands of years.
GC will get it shortly. Just give me a few minutes.  
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JB
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:27 am Post subject: |
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Eleven,
Amen
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eleven
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:32 am Post subject: |
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| GospelCompilation wrote: | | Eleven wrote: | | "If you can't accept who Jesus was, you will never understand who you are. Do you know who you are?" |
While we appreciate the criticism, Eleven, we understand your comment in this way: "If you can't accept who Jesus was in the same way I accept Him, then you will never understand who you are in the same way that I have come to understand who I am."
So, instead of making a judgmental accusation, you could have simply shared with us who you think you are. Then we might learn who we are in the process of your sharing testimony with us. That is, after all, the purpose of being a witness - sharing with another what we have seen and heard.
But we shouldn't pretend to know that another human being doesn't know who they are just because they don't think about or perceive an idea the same we do. You yourself teach that same principle, my friend. |
John 14
5Thomas said to him, "Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?"
6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."
8Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us."
9Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? 10Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. 12I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. 14You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.
You came on this forum proclaiming Jesus and telling eveyone how much you love Him , and how much you want to walk in His ways.
Jesus said, I and the Father are ONE. If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father. We are inseprable.
Are you in Jesus? Is Jesus in you? Then you are in the Father just as Jesus was. To be ONE in the Father is to be God. Otherwise, there is NO way you can be one.
A house divided cannot stand.
So if Jesus is in the Father, and the Father and He are ONE (which must be true because Jesus doesn't lie)
And Jesus is in you, and you are in Him, then only one question remains:
Who are you?
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JB
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:37 am Post subject: |
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Eleven,
I knew this would happen.
 
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eleven
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:48 am Post subject: |
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| JB wrote: | Eleven,
I knew this would happen.
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Yeah I know. But just like an old classic movie, the tears flow as soon as you see the actors "get it."
I love re-runs.
Pass the popcorn.
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JB
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:51 am Post subject: |
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Eleven,
That's funny. 
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GospelCompilation
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| Eleven wrote: | | "Who are you?" |
We don't understand you're point, Eleven. Why don't you just tell us who you think you are, and then maybe we'll be able to agree or disagree as to who we think we are.
Otherwise, it's like sitting in a Sunday School class, listening to everyone laugh at the new couple, who don't know the private joke they're all laughing about. It only serves to offend the new couple, and makes the class look like a bunch of ignorant jerks.
| Eleven wrote: | | "Are you in Jesus? Is Jesus in you?" |
Unfortunately, we don't even know what you mean by these questions. It would serve us all better if you simply and clearly articulated what you suppose Scripture meant when it asked these questions... or... are these questions even found in Scripture at all? We don't remember seeing them (which, of course, doesn't mean they aren't there).
When you share your ideas with another human being, it helps to speak that person's language. Do not expect them to speak your language. And, if you don't know their language, then it might be best to simply shut up. |
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eleven
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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| GospelCompilation wrote: | | Eleven wrote: | | "Who are you?" |
We don't understand you're point, Eleven. Why don't you just tell us who you think you are, and then maybe we'll be able to agree or disagree as to who we think we are.
Otherwise, it's like sitting in a Sunday School class, listening to everyone laugh at the new couple, who don't know the private joke they're all laughing about. It only serves to offend the new couple, and makes the class look like a bunch of ignorant jerks.
| Eleven wrote: | | "Are you in Jesus? Is Jesus in you?" |
Unfortunately, we don't even know what you mean by these questions. It would serve us all better if you simply and clearly articulated what you suppose Scripture meant when it asked these questions... or... are these questions even found in Scripture at all? We don't remember seeing them (which, of course, doesn't mean they aren't there).
When you share your ideas with another human being, it helps to speak that person's language. Do not expect them to speak your language. And, if you don't know their language, then it might be best to simply shut up. |
I'm sorry GC - I'm not trying to make light of your journey. Forgive me!
It's just that sometimes I just feel so ..........I don't even have a word for it.............so complete, that I can't understand why other people don't see what is so obvious, yet not that long ago I was drenched in darkness.
Forgive me GC........it's just that I am so joyful now that I forget to be patient, because God's message is so obvious it is "hidden in plain sight".
Ok, walk with me now.
The best way is to do this thru interaction, so I will ask you some questions, and we will progress together, deal?
First question. Do you love God? And if so who taught you all about Him?
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Evee
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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11 & GC,
I'll remind you of the OP's original intent of this thread:
| Quote: | | This is not intended to be a thread for debate, it is just intended to let others know what you believe. |
GC has informed us of what he & his wife believe. Please leave it at that. If you want to expand on that eleven, start another thread or PM each other. Thanks.
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eleven
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Evee wrote: | 11 & GC,
I'll remind you of the OP's original intent of this thread:
| Quote: | | This is not intended to be a thread for debate, it is just intended to let others know what you believe. |
GC has informed us of what he & his wife believe. Please leave it at that. If you want to expand on that eleven, start another thread or PM each other. Thanks. |
Ok, I'm totally confused. We were just having a interactive conversation. Why do I need to start another thread or go privately?
No one is debating here, we are just coversing. 
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