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 Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:34 am Post subject: Few basic questions |
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At times, I think why GOD created this world???
... ok for argument sake, let's assume that he might be feeling lonely or for some reason... he thought of creating the same.
But when we say him ALL MIGHTY.. it means GOD who controls everything & everything is possible with him. But then why he allowed Men/Women to committ sins when he himself should had been aware of all the future disasters. If yes then why dd he let all that happen???
We read in bible when he created garden of eden.. he told men not to eat the friut from the tree of ****. When GOD was aware of the consequences then why he put that tree in that garden??? Don't you think that if there would have not been any tree of that kind, the entire humanity would have been acting the way GOD wanted us to live!!!! Can anyone throw some light on these basic questions. Thanks. |
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I am moving this post. This is for Introductions only. God bless.
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Zathrus
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It's all because God had to prove He was right! Because some fallen angelic worship leader challenged God's claim that He could create a class of beings who would follow His commandments! This wounded God's fragile ego and so He created us, compelled to prove He was right.
OK, maybe not. 
Maybe it's just what He wanted to do.
As to why the tree was there in the garden to tempt man, I think the point is not so much why God put the tree there to tempt man, but what does man find so appealing about the tree.
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| Zathrus wrote: | It's all because God had to prove He was right! Because some fallen angelic worship leader challenged God's claim that He could create a class of beings who would follow His commandments! This wounded God's fragile ego and so He created us, compelled to prove He was right.
OK, maybe not.
Maybe it's just what He wanted to do.
As to why the tree was there in the garden to tempt man, I think the point is not so much why God put the tree there to tempt man, but what does man find so appealing about the tree. |
Ok, here's the first flaw in your theory---
God has no ego.
Next.......
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ShardikSon
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:12 pm Post subject: Re: Few basic questions |
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| vs wrote: | | At times, I think why GOD created this world??? |
It is what He does. He is The Creator.
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But when we say him ALL MIGHTY.. it means GOD who controls everything & everything is possible with him. But then why he allowed Men/Women to committ sins when he himself should had been aware of all the future disasters. If yes then why dd he let all that happen???
We read in bible when he created garden of eden.. he told men not to eat the friut from the tree of ****. When GOD was aware of the consequences then why he put that tree in that garden??? Don't you think that if there would have not been any tree of that kind, the entire humanity would have been acting the way GOD wanted us to live!!!! Can anyone throw some light on these basic questions. Thanks. |
Firstly, being omnipotent, He already knows how all this will end, before even he began.
(Yes, the apparent mixing of tense is deliberate.)
We would not act how God wants us to live, had we not known temptation and learned about consequences.
How can we take our rightful place with Him without understanding the basic laws of the universe?
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GospelCompilation
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My wife and I have come to the conclusion that something must have happened in heaven prior to earth's existence, and that single event is what caused God to create the earth in the first place. But please, understand that this is just our opinion. We have no Biblical proof for what we're about to share.
We believe that Satan (a title that means, "accuser") accused God of some terrible lie... but it was the sort of lie that couldn't be proved true or false, unless it was "acted out" somehow.
So, we believe God created the earth in order to "act out" that accusation, in order to prove that Satan's accusation was false. We believe that's why He put the two trees in the garden (one represented His way to live and one represented our way to live), knowing full well that we would choose our way over His.
And so the test began. But understand: we do not view this life as God's test for us, but rather, this life is a test for God Himself - an opportunity to prove once and for all that Satan's accusation against Him was false.
Whatever the accusation was, we have no idea, but it must have been a whopper, to make Him go to all this trouble. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Is it more likely that God was lonely and created Man - or that Man was lonely and created God? |
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| GospelCompilation wrote: | My wife and I have come to the conclusion that something must have happened in heaven prior to earth's existence, and that single event is what caused God to create the earth in the first place. But please, understand that this is just our opinion. We have no Biblical proof for what we're about to share.
####VS-- Ok Noted.
We believe that Satan (a title that means, "accuser") accused God of some terrible lie... but it was the sort of lie that couldn't be proved true or false, unless it was "acted out" somehow.
####VS -- I think we are talking of so many things with assumptions.... A fact can't be based on too many assumptions. I totally believe in existence of GOD but I am not so far convinced with the reasons I get to know for what prompted him to create us??
GOD is all mighty.... Satan is a piece of *Poop* in front of him... Do u really think that he can challenge GOD & in turn GOD will reply to him!!!
So, we believe God created the earth in order to "act out" that accusation, in order to prove that Satan's accusation was false. We believe that's why He put the two trees in the garden (one represented His way to live and one represented our way to live), knowing full well that we would choose our way over His.
VS##### No my question is when GOD was aware of this that adam was going to eat that fruit & will committ sin then why he put that tree there. If you read Genesis, you will see that GOD created ADAM & he loved him so much & wanted him to follow his way of life. When GOD wanted him to follow his way of life then why he let him get into the trap of sins??? Since that day we all are sinful creatures, killing each each other. Don't you think life would had been much nicer if Adam & Eve lived as per GODs way of life & everything would have been extremely good... respecting & loving each other, no materialistic world, no global warming, no killing etc.... That is what I feel at times.
And so the test began. But understand: we do not view this life as God's test for us, but rather, this life is a test for God Himself - an opportunity to prove once and for all that Satan's accusation against Him was false.
Whatever the accusation was, we have no idea, but it must have been a whopper, to make Him go to all this trouble. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:51 am Post subject: |
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| eleven wrote: | Ok, here's the first flaw in your theory---
God has no ego.
Next....... |
God has no awareness of self?
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RevJP
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Well, the most concise answer I could offer is: I don't know.
Scripture doesn't tell us why and I am not inclined to insinuate any theory based on absolutely no evidence. I'm comfortable with understanding that it is what it is, the cards are dealt and we must play the hand...
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Plotinus
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| admin wrote: | | Is it more likely that God was lonely and created Man - or that Man was lonely and created God? |
I'm with JP on this one. I don't know why, and I doubt that I could verbalize the answer if I had one. On admin's point above, I would say that Humans were certainly lonely and created God in their own image. However, as the Jewish theologian Martin Buber said:
"Extended, the lines of relationships intersect in the eternal You. Every single You is a glimpse of that."
In other words, to say that God was created in our image is not to deny the validity of God. It is rather that, being in God's image--the single You's of Buber's terminology--we reach inside outselves to form a conception of God. As Buber also said:
"For whoever pronounces the word God and really means You, addresses no matter what his delusion, the true You of his life that cannot be restricted by any other and to whom he stands in a relationship that includes all others. But whoever abhors the name and fancies he is godless -- when he addresses with his whole devoted being the You of his life that cannot be restricted by any other, he addresses God."
Martin Buber, "I and Thou" Scribners, New York 1970, pp. 123--124.
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I believe , if we look at a loving relationship between a father, and son, we will begin to understand why ---
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bigape
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Hi vs
An interesting question:
The answer is found, in Hebrews 1:1-2.......
| Quote: | Hebrews 1:1-2
V.1 ¶ God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
V.2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
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God created man, to have fellowship with.
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As for your second question.......
| Quote: | “Don't you think that if there would have not been any tree of that kind, the entire humanity would have been acting the way GOD wanted us to live!!!!”
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The reason, that God placed the tree of “the knowledge of good and evil”, in the garden of Eden, is because He created man, with a free will, and therefore He had to give mankind, a choice to make.
God could not have fellowship with a planet full of robots, that were programed to do everything he wanted them to do; (And I wouldn’t want to be controlled like that anyway!)
Therefore, God wants man, to chose to love Him.
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Now, for the big question, that I think you are asking.......
| Quote: | “If God can do anything, why didn’t he just save everyone, and take us all to heaven?”
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Well the answer is, that God can’t do anything!
God’s greatest characteristic, is his Righteousness and Holiness: Therefore not even God, can go against His own Word(the Bible);
And the Bible says.........
| Quote: | Ezekiel 18:20
“The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.”
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i.e. Sin brings death!
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Now, God has done all that he can do, to take care of our “sin problem”, by sending His own Son Jesus, to die for us on the cross.
And this sacrifice of His Son on the cross, has paid for the sins of everyone, that will ever be born.
All anybody has to do, is believe the record that God gave us, of His Son(the Bible), an trust in Jesus to save them.
When you do this, your sin debt is paid in full, and you will spend an eternity in heaven.
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V.13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way,
that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
V.14 Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life,
and few there be that find it. |
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