California United Methodists make pro gay rights statements

hat lady · Tadpole Joined: 30 Jun 2008 Posts: 24

What in the world do they do with Romans 1?
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FFT · Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:50 am Post subject:

Romans 1 is about idol worshipers.

You'd think that at some point bigots would realize this but I guess a single verse removed from context is all you ever need to make a "point."
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hat lady · Tadpole Joined: 30 Jun 2008 Posts: 24

Where do you get the impression that the Bible endorses HOmosexuality of any kind?

To say that homsexuality is a sin that stems from idol worship, including worhsip of self and new age worship is Biblical!

Romans 1:26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions, for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural functions of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving the due penalty in their own persons of their error.

Just so you don't go thinking that this passage is only for pagan idol worshippers and that gays who are in loving relationships are in the clear with God, let's go to the OT.

Deuteronomy 22:5 A woman shall not wear a man's clothing, nor shall a man put on a woman's clothing; for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God.

Deuteronomy 23:1 No one who is emasculated or has his male memeber cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord; none of his descendants, even to the tenth generation, shall enter the assembly of the Lord.

Leviticus 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.

Leviticus 20:13 If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood guiltiness is upon them.

Now if you think by some wild stretch of the imagination that these proscriptions still only apply to those who do these things as part of a pagan idol ritual and that loving gay monogamous couples are condoned by God for their worship of Him in their hearts and becuase they are loving, responbsible, monogomous folks, then lets' go back to the NT.

I Corinthians 6:9, 10 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor theives, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor rvilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

It goes on to say that some of all these groups had stopped, had turned around, had repented and moved on in Christ, not repented and continued in sins, and that having moved on from continuance in sin they are washed, they are clean, they are sanctified, they are justified by Christ.

How do you come to the conlusion that believing what the Bible says about gays constitutes bigotry against them?

Like God we must hate the sin and love the sinner!

I have an Uncle who is a gay scientist a very bright and loving fellow, who is in a long term monogamous relationship with a man. I love my Uncle dearly and I do not beat him over the head with what the Bible teaches, but I hate his sin, I really do... I accept him and his partner who dearly loves him into my heart and my life, but I do not believe for a single solitary second that either of them is going to heaven, they will burn in hell, and I will be crying for both of them, I love both of them. My Uncle beleives that Jesus never rose from the dead or was God, he believes that God is everything that was ever created in the universe. This is a from of idolatry, any concept that is the opposite in philosophy from who God is is a from of idolatry. This is why he became gay, he began to entertain erroneous thoughts about who God is and as Romans I says, God gave him over to a depraved mind to do that which is improper.

Scientists have been unable to prove that being gay is genetic, comes directly from a broken home, or that it is a spiritual dispensation one is born with; these are all sceintifically unproven theories...
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