Eternal Redemption

golfjack · Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:34 am Post subject: Eternal Redemption

Yesterday, I was pondering this verse from the Bible, and it really made me want to shout. Hebrews 9:12: Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.

Notice eternal redemption, and once for all. What struck me was that Jesus' work on the cross forgave us of all sins, past, present, and future because His work is Eternal.

Many Christians think they must confess every sin after being saved to keep their salvation. They think that they must be born again and again. But Jesus took His blood to the Holy of Holies one time. Many seem to think that unconfessed sin after being saved blocks the blessings we receive from God. No, this isn't true. If these things were true, then we are all damned and destined to hell.

I am not saying we should not confess sin after being saved ( 1 John 1:9), but why should we do this? Well, to keep from being condemned from Satan and ourselves. Remember, we receive no condemnation from the Lord.

Therefore, be the best you can be. Always study the Bible, and renew your minds by the Word. Keep up the Good fight of faith. And let's finish the race that God has set before us.

Peace, Golfjack

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GospelCompilation · Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:54 am Post subject:

So, is it possible, then, that confession of sin might be for our sakes alone... and not for God's sake at all?

golfjack · Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:58 am Post subject: reply

One must understand the concept of spirit, soul, and body to understand how God looks at us. We see in Eph. 1:13 that we are sealed by the Holy Spirit. What part is sealed? It is our recreated spirits when we are born again. There is no sin in our spirits, and God looks and resides in our spirits. We have been made holy ( set apart). My flesh and soulish area is certainly not holy. If we look in a mirror and see our flesh, we will be sin conscious. But God only looks at our recreated spirits, which have been made perfect. Our recreated spirits are just like God, Who is Spirit. But, we have the flesh and the soul to deal with. God has done all He is going to do about saving us. The flesh is not there yet. We don't have a glorifired body yet. Our souls haven't joined our spirits yet. But, we can do our best to line up our souls to match our spirits. We can make our bodies a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is our reasonable service.

If one doesn't understand this concept, then how can one interpret 1 John 3:9 correctly?

Peace, Golfjack

GospelCompilation · Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:14 pm Post subject: Re: reply

golfjack · Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:33 pm Post subject: reply

I would be glad to discuss this with you in detail and give you scriptures to support this concept. Nobby, do we still have what I posted about the new birth in about 2005? would appreciate if youcould bring this up and be posted again.

Peace, Golfjack

Nobby · Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:02 pm Post subject:

Zathrus · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 4:53 am Post subject: Re: Eternal Redemption

golfjack · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:35 am Post subject: reply

We see in Gen. 1:26, 27 that man is a spirit being. He is made in the likeness of God. Jesus said that God is a Spirit ( John 4:24). So man must of necessity be a spirit.

Man is a spirit, he has a soul, and he lives in a physical body ( 1 Thess. 5:23).

When the physical body of man is dead and in the grave, the spirit lives on. That part of man is eternal. Spirits can never die, and man is a spirit. Paul in Phil. 1:23, 24 is speaking of physical death here. Paul is going to live. Whether in the body or out of the body, he is still going to live. If he abides, or lives in the flesh he can teach the church at Philippi and be a blessing to them. That would be more needful for them. It would be far better for Paul himself, however, to depart and be with Christ. Paul was actually saying, I am going to live in the body or I am going to depart and be with Christ. Who is going to depart? When Paul used the word I, he was not talking about his body. His body was not going to depart. Paul is talking about the inward man, the spirit man, who lives inside the body.

What is our spirit? Keep in mind the text of Romans 8:14 where it says ... as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are sons of God. Then verse 16 gives us a little insight into how the Spirit of God leads us: The Spirit itself ( himself) beareth witness with our spirit, that we are children of God. In other words, the Spirit of God bears witness with the spirit of man. Proverbs 20:27 says, The spirit of man is the candlle of the Lord... So, God does lead us through our spirits.

So, what part of man is born again? The part of man that is born again is his spirit. Man's spirit receives eternal life, the life of God, and nature of God. It is man's spirit that is made a new creature in Christ.

Paul calls man's spirit the inward man. Peter calls man's spirit the hidden man of the heart.

In many places when the Bible speaks of the heart, it is speaking of the spirit. This is the real man. It will help you in your believing and in your faith to think like that.

I hope this answers questions about what a recreated spirit is as a result of the New Birth ( born again).

Peace, Golfjack

JimD · Bear Cub Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Posts: 630

I believe in security of the believer, but one must remain a believer, otherwise why would there be so many warnings and encouragements to remain in Christ?

Eternal security as generally taught by men is a result, and part of the doctrine we refer to as Calvinism, if God choses who will be saved before we are born, then of course, we cannot chose to be lost. This doctrine (of men) is as insidious as the doctrine (of men) that says salvation is by works. Jesus does not need to die often, but we need to repent often.

I need your input on this question, were people in the old testament saved differently than we are? If you need to, start a new thread.
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Nobby · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:53 am Post subject:

JimD, the blood of Jesus covers all sins past, present & future! That is the reason that the Father can look down upon us is because He sees the blood of Jesus that covers our sins.
However when we sin the Holy Spirit will remind us & we must ask forgiveness of our sins. I don't know about the rest of you but I feel terrible until I do.
Just because Jesus blood covers our sin, doesnt mean we don't need to ask forgiveness. At least that's what I believe! Very Happy

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golfjack · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:25 am Post subject: reply

Nobby, I believe a little differently than you do. You said that the Holy Spirit convicts a Believer when he sins. Well, the believer has already been convicted. I believe our spirits will tell us a need to confess a sin to God. We need to remember that at the point of salvation, we receive remission of sins. We as believers confess our sins. See, the difference? Confession of sins is for the believer, so that He doesn't condemn himself. Yes, we can feel guilty.

Peace, Golfjack

45degreeN · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:39 pm Post subject:

Sin comes out from the inside it is an expression of our fallen nature and not a list of each and every error that we make.

We sin because we are sinners, it is the condition we exist in as fallen humans. We are not sinners because we sin.

Christ's sacrifice paid for our "condition" of being a sinner. It is a judicial statement of promise, it is not a condition of being sinless. Being saved does not mean we will not sin ever again even if we try real hard we will still sin, simply because we are still fallen.

The "conviction" we experience comes as the comforter is there to offer guidance and it is never meant as some awful penalty but merely as God's guidance in our lives. The guilt means simply try something else, not "you horrible sinner you'll go to hell."
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JimD · Bear Cub Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Posts: 630

Thanks for your post Nobby, but I am not sure by your answer whether you believe in the doctrine of once saved always saved. It occurred to me after I made my original post that this doctrine is about as far to one side of the truth as the doctrine of a works based salvation is to the other, both missing the mark considerably.
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