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MrLucas Show Poodle
Joined: 05 Jul 2008 Posts: 253
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Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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The Bible, has proved itself, throughout History.
It has told of the rise and fall of nations......which history, has shown to be true. (SILVER SEARCHER)
If you read a scientific article, the majority of it might be true but one statement might be wrong. The majority of it being correct doesn't make the wrong statement any less wrong.
The bible is made up of 66 books written by various people over time. Is deciding the whole book is true because you are convinced there is evidence that certain bits of it are true reasonable? As there is no way of telling whether some of the writers were fully accurate in their writings it doesn't make a lot of sense to believe it is fully true.
What we read today is not the original bible. It's been translated and so on. I feel you need a huge amount of knowledge to be able to find out what the real intended meaning of the bible is in some places. And its not easy - if possible - for the average person to access this.
God would be unreasonable if he expected people to believe the bible. I don't believe God would be unreasonable in that way.
You can't know the whole bible is true (unless God had revealed that to you directly). But why would he work in such a strange way. And considering most of us have trouble understanding it, get its meaning wrong frequently, etc. you'd have to wonder why God would bother revealing directly to us that it is completely true. Look at the mess people believing its true causes already. And I wanna know the truth, but he hasn't revealed that to me. Although I used to believe it was completely true - and thought it was God - but now realise it was something else. |
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ragman13 German Shepherd

Joined: 07 Jul 2007 Posts: 325
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 2:09 am Post subject: |
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 _________________ If Jesus Christ were to come today, people would not even crucify him. They would ask him to dinner, and hear what he had to say, and make fun of it. —Thomas Carlyle
Shh. Don't tell anyone that I am a Fundamentalist! |
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Pete Lion King
Joined: 31 May 2006 Posts: 1019 Location: Arlington Hts., Il. USA
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 3:28 am Post subject: |
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The main problem is that folks have come at the Bible with preconceived ideas that have been implanted in their minds by so-called Biblical authorities.
We needs to study with a completely open mind, and change where change is indicated. It them can be quite a revelation. When it comes to Biblical understanding, majority opinion is almost always wrong. |
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eleven King of the Jungle

Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 1561 Location: Texas
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 5:09 am Post subject: |
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I second that motion!!!
All in favor, say "pray" _________________ Pain is inevitable;
misery is optional. |
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Silver Surfer Emperor of the World

Joined: 12 Jul 2003 Posts: 3255 Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 6:16 am Post subject: |
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| MrLucas wrote: | God would be unreasonable if he expected people to believe the bible. I don't believe God would be unreasonable in that way.
| OK.....
How then do you expect God to convey His thoughts and will for mankind then ? _________________ Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. |
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eleven King of the Jungle

Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 1561 Location: Texas
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 7:51 am Post subject: |
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God conveys His messages just fine Silver.
However it is people like you who distort it. _________________ Pain is inevitable;
misery is optional. |
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Evee Moderator

Joined: 13 Sep 2005 Posts: 676
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 8:08 am Post subject: |
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| SS wrote: | OK.....
How then do you expect God to convey His thoughts and will for mankind then ? |
How did He do it before the Bible was put together? Answer this & you answer your own question. _________________ Don't get caught in the trap of thinking you know everything God has to say b/c you've read the Bible. Remember, God is STILL speaking. And surprisingly, through people we DON'T expect. |
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eleven King of the Jungle

Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 1561 Location: Texas
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 8:54 am Post subject: |
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What----- you mean that God can actually convey His meaning in ways other than the ten commandments????????????????????????
What in the world will I do with my "checklist"?
WAaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.......... _________________ Pain is inevitable;
misery is optional. |
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Silver Surfer Emperor of the World

Joined: 12 Jul 2003 Posts: 3255 Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 9:40 am Post subject: |
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| Evee wrote: | | SS wrote: | OK.....
How then do you expect God to convey His thoughts and will for mankind then ? |
How did He do it before the Bible was put together? Answer this & you answer your own question. |
Before sin entered our world, God (Jesus Christ) was able to talk to man, face to face.
Sin, separated mankind from a face to face conversation. _________________ Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. |
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dabmci House Cat

Joined: 27 Jan 2008 Posts: 160 Location: Wylie
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:10 am Post subject: |
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I believe that scripture answers scripture. New Testement answers can be found in Old Testement writting.
Just a thought |
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Silver Surfer Emperor of the World

Joined: 12 Jul 2003 Posts: 3255 Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:19 am Post subject: |
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| dabmci wrote: | I believe that scripture answers scripture. New Testement answers can be found in Old Testement writting.
Just a thought | You are correct.
God has used both testaments to answer each other.
Meaning that the Bible interprets itself completely and totally. _________________ Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. |
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MrLucas Show Poodle
Joined: 05 Jul 2008 Posts: 253
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Pete wrote: | The main problem is that folks have come at the Bible with preconceived ideas that have been implanted in their minds by so-called Biblical authorities.
We needs to study with a completely open mind, and change where change is indicated. It them can be quite a revelation. When it comes to Biblical understanding, majority opinion is almost always wrong. |
Pete, I agree with you in part (your first paragraph). However, when you say "We needs to study with a completely open mind, and change where change is indicated." I question that because you are still assuming that the Bible is true and that it would be reasonable for God to expect us to believe the bible is true. |
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MrLucas Show Poodle
Joined: 05 Jul 2008 Posts: 253
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | | MrLucas wrote: | God would be unreasonable if he expected people to believe the bible. I don't believe God would be unreasonable in that way.
| OK.....
How then do you expect God to convey His thoughts and will for mankind then ? |
Well, your question includes assumptions. It assumes there is a God, assumes He has thoughts and assumes he wishes to convey his thoughts to mankind and that he has a will for mankind. Perhaps your assumption is influenced because this is indicated in the Bible - but if this is your sole influence and it's true that God would not be so unreasonable to expect us to believe what is written in the Bible then your question doesn't make sense.
However, one may still choose to "expect God to convey His thoughts and will for mankind" for other reasons. How? Probably lots of ways - this is illustrated in the Bible isn't it? Again, I'm not saying the bible's all true but it illustrates how people believe they relate to God in different ways. Jesus said 'The kingdom of heaven is within you'. Jesus words speak to a lot of people. So God speaks within us.
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MrLucas Show Poodle
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | Before sin entered our world, God (Jesus Christ) was able to talk to man, face to face.
Sin, separated mankind from a face to face conversation. |
Again, there is only an argument here if you believe the bible is infaliable. If its unreasonable for God to expect us to believe the bible is true then there's no reason to be sure that what you've said is necessarily true. And if this is so it leaves the mind open to other possibilities too. |
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Evee Moderator

Joined: 13 Sep 2005 Posts: 676
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| SS wrote: | Before sin entered our world, God (Jesus Christ) was able to talk to man, face to face.
Sin, separated mankind from a face to face conversation. |
This makes no sense, Silver. Before there was a Bible, there was sin. He communicated His will before there was a Bible. Paul didn't have a Bible. Abraham didn't have a Bible. Moses didn't have a Bible. Adam & Eve didn't have a Bible. Noah didn't have a Bible. Should I go on? _________________ Don't get caught in the trap of thinking you know everything God has to say b/c you've read the Bible. Remember, God is STILL speaking. And surprisingly, through people we DON'T expect. |
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