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Why would God expect you to believe the Bible?


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MrLucas
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Bible, has proved itself, throughout History.

It has told of the rise and fall of nations......which history, has shown to be true. (SILVER SEARCHER)

If you read a scientific article, the majority of it might be true but one statement might be wrong. The majority of it being correct doesn't make the wrong statement any less wrong.

The bible is made up of 66 books written by various people over time. Is deciding the whole book is true because you are convinced there is evidence that certain bits of it are true reasonable? As there is no way of telling whether some of the writers were fully accurate in their writings it doesn't make a lot of sense to believe it is fully true.

What we read today is not the original bible. It's been translated and so on. I feel you need a huge amount of knowledge to be able to find out what the real intended meaning of the bible is in some places. And its not easy - if possible - for the average person to access this.

God would be unreasonable if he expected people to believe the bible. I don't believe God would be unreasonable in that way.

You can't know the whole bible is true (unless God had revealed that to you directly). But why would he work in such a strange way. And considering most of us have trouble understanding it, get its meaning wrong frequently, etc. you'd have to wonder why God would bother revealing directly to us that it is completely true. Look at the mess people believing its true causes already. And I wanna know the truth, but he hasn't revealed that to me. Although I used to believe it was completely true - and thought it was God - but now realise it was something else.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

#Popcornsmile #Eating smiley
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The main problem is that folks have come at the Bible with preconceived ideas that have been implanted in their minds by so-called Biblical authorities.

We needs to study with a completely open mind, and change where change is indicated. It them can be quite a revelation. When it comes to Biblical understanding, majority opinion is almost always wrong.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I second that motion!!!

All in favor, say "pray"
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MrLucas wrote:
God would be unreasonable if he expected people to believe the bible. I don't believe God would be unreasonable in that way.

OK.....
How then do you expect God to convey His thoughts and will for mankind then ?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

God conveys His messages just fine Silver.
However it is people like you who distort it.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SS wrote:
OK.....
How then do you expect God to convey His thoughts and will for mankind then ?


How did He do it before the Bible was put together? Answer this & you answer your own question.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What----- you mean that God can actually convey His meaning in ways other than the ten commandments????????????????????????

What in the world will I do with my "checklist"?
Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad

WAaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..........
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Evee wrote:
SS wrote:
OK.....
How then do you expect God to convey His thoughts and will for mankind then ?


How did He do it before the Bible was put together? Answer this & you answer your own question.

Before sin entered our world, God (Jesus Christ) was able to talk to man, face to face.

Sin, separated mankind from a face to face conversation.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe that scripture answers scripture. New Testement answers can be found in Old Testement writting.

Just a thought
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dabmci wrote:
I believe that scripture answers scripture. New Testement answers can be found in Old Testement writting.

Just a thought
You are correct.
God has used both testaments to answer each other.

Meaning that the Bible interprets itself completely and totally.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete wrote:
The main problem is that folks have come at the Bible with preconceived ideas that have been implanted in their minds by so-called Biblical authorities.

We needs to study with a completely open mind, and change where change is indicated. It them can be quite a revelation. When it comes to Biblical understanding, majority opinion is almost always wrong.


Pete, I agree with you in part (your first paragraph). However, when you say "We needs to study with a completely open mind, and change where change is indicated." I question that because you are still assuming that the Bible is true and that it would be reasonable for God to expect us to believe the bible is true.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silver Surfer wrote:
MrLucas wrote:
God would be unreasonable if he expected people to believe the bible. I don't believe God would be unreasonable in that way.

OK.....
How then do you expect God to convey His thoughts and will for mankind then ?


Well, your question includes assumptions. It assumes there is a God, assumes He has thoughts and assumes he wishes to convey his thoughts to mankind and that he has a will for mankind. Perhaps your assumption is influenced because this is indicated in the Bible - but if this is your sole influence and it's true that God would not be so unreasonable to expect us to believe what is written in the Bible then your question doesn't make sense.

However, one may still choose to "expect God to convey His thoughts and will for mankind" for other reasons. How? Probably lots of ways - this is illustrated in the Bible isn't it? Again, I'm not saying the bible's all true but it illustrates how people believe they relate to God in different ways. Jesus said 'The kingdom of heaven is within you'. Jesus words speak to a lot of people. So God speaks within us.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silver Surfer wrote:
Before sin entered our world, God (Jesus Christ) was able to talk to man, face to face.

Sin, separated mankind from a face to face conversation.


Again, there is only an argument here if you believe the bible is infaliable. If its unreasonable for God to expect us to believe the bible is true then there's no reason to be sure that what you've said is necessarily true. And if this is so it leaves the mind open to other possibilities too.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SS wrote:
Before sin entered our world, God (Jesus Christ) was able to talk to man, face to face.

Sin, separated mankind from a face to face conversation.


This makes no sense, Silver. Before there was a Bible, there was sin. He communicated His will before there was a Bible. Paul didn't have a Bible. Abraham didn't have a Bible. Moses didn't have a Bible. Adam & Eve didn't have a Bible. Noah didn't have a Bible. Should I go on?
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