Why do you believe the bible is true?

MrLucas · Show Poodle Joined: 05 Jul 2008 Posts: 253

I wish to return and challenge reasons. But I'm interested in reasons.

Joebob787 · Rattlesnake Joined: 26 May 2008 Posts: 435 Location: Nj

Well, see

The history is the Bible is Correct
The Prophecy in the Bible is correct.
The science in the bible is correct.

Its a 2000 year old book. You would think that if it is false, It would of been disproven by now
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45degreeN · Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 5:25 am Post subject:

Actually Joebob there is almost no science in scripture and the danger of going into that space is that it is easily contradicted leaving nothing of value.
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MrLucas · Show Poodle Joined: 05 Jul 2008 Posts: 253

What i mean is that a lot of Christians make the assumption that the bible is true. I guess if the bible's speaking literally I would mean literal truth and if it's speaking figuratively I would mean figurative truth. If it isn't clear I would says it's meaning is now unclear and it's therefore ambiguous and one would question even any meaningful value in that now.

"The history is the Bible is Correct
The Prophecy in the Bible is correct.
The science in the bible is correct. " said someone above...

Quite frankly, I think you are exaggerating your knowledge and you are assuming a lot of these things. How could you know whether Jesus really said all the things in the gospels or not and whether he really did all the miracles or not. The bibles made up of lots of books by lots of people over lots of time. A reasonable God wouldn't expect us to believe in the whole bible just because some things in it are true. Some things in your encyclopedia are true and a few things are probably mistakes. It is not infaliable. Why should we assume more, if not less of the Bible?

ChristianWoman1 · Labrador Joined: 22 May 2008 Posts: 300

nobody is "assuming" anything MrLucas...it's called faith. And anyone who has the Holy Spirit residing in them has an abundance of faith! Wink

And what is faith?

The Lord is faithful (IS.49:7)
God is faithful (Romans 3)
The faith of Abraham (Romans 4)...being a faithful servant

For by grace you have been saved, through faith , and not that of yourself, but it is the gift of God. (Eph. 2:8)

In Romans 3 and 4 we see FAITH listed at least 21times alone!!
So you see MrLucas...those [/b]without faith[b] are those without the Holy Spirit.

you said, and I quote: "A reasonable God wouldn't expect us to believe in the whole bible just because some things in it are true. " and my reply....God expects us to believe everything in the bible because everything is true! Very Happy

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Siam · Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:14 am Post subject:

ChristianWoman1 said....God expects us to believe everything in the bible because everything is true!

I'm just asking on what level?
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ChristianWoman1 · Labrador Joined: 22 May 2008 Posts: 300

GospelCompilation · Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:50 am Post subject:

I'll offer my two cents worth...

MrLucas · Show Poodle Joined: 05 Jul 2008 Posts: 253

CW1. How do you differentiate between your faith and assumption? Does having faith make you beyond having false assumptions? If you don't think you are beyond false assumption (and personally I don't believe anyone is) then how do you distinguish between your own inacurate beliefs and holy spirit inspired beliefs?

MrLucas · Show Poodle Joined: 05 Jul 2008 Posts: 253

GOSPEL COMPILATION WROTE...
(my responses in bold)

I'll offer my two cents worth...

MrLucas wrote:
"Why do you believe the bible is true?"

Believe it or not, there were several factors that made me accept the Bible as true (and I wasn't even aware that such a book existed until I was nineteen years old):

IT'S TIME PROPHECIES

The 400 year prophecy concerning the Israelite bondage in Egypt, the 70 year prophecy concerning their captivity in Babylon, and the 483 year prophecy concerning the coming of Christ. The times calculated for these events are indisputable... and I've never found another book anywhere on earth that has made such clear, convincing predictions as this book!

I was also blown away by the naming of Cyrus nearly a hundred years before he was even born - as well as the prophecies concerning what Cyrus would achieve on behalf of Israel. Plus, there was the statue from Nebuchadnezzar's dream depicting the nations that would follow his - and these military powers were specifically named and tallied in the exact order in which they would take power... and I've never found another book written by anyone in all of human history that has made such clear, convincing predictions as this book!

You know a lot more about this than me so I can't really comment. However, isn't it a bit hard to judge here. It's a bit like Nostradamus (Scuse spelling) the more people look into things the more inacurate and confused connections become. I'm not saying there's nothing it in - but isn't some of it based on metaphor and stuff and thus a matter of interpretation? Anyway, because some prophecies might be true doesnt mean the whole bible is necessarily true does it.

IT'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE ON GOD

Plus, there are the spiritual principles in the book that convince me of its authenticity. In other words, every religion of man, since the dawn of time, has depicted gods who were far away and disinterested, so that man was forced to constantly run after them (or appease them)... whereas, the Bible depicts a God who is near at hand, who is personally interested in each and every one of us, and who is constantly running after us. The Scriptures depict a God who is completely opposite of the gods of every religion ever known to man since the dawn of time.

Most ancient religions depict a god who is angry, who is self-absorbed and reflects human characteristics; whereas the Hebrew Scriptures depict a God who is loving and patient and kind, who is interested more in His creation than He is in Himself, and who invites humankind to reflect His characteristics. Again, this book teaches us about a God who is completely opposite of what every other religion teaches about their gods.

(Yes, you have a point. On the other hand I think the OT paints a not very nice god at times. Buddism's idea of existence - God-consciousness etc is gentle and loving, as are some other ancient religions, so it's not completely true)

IT'S COMMON-SENSE SIMPLICITY

And finally, the book makes sense. It appeals to everyday, common-sense understanding of things. It appeals to normal, sensory object lessons to demonstrate deeper spiritual truths. It is simple enough that a child can understand it, and yet complex enough that a learned man can spend his entire life exploring its depths and only come close to grasping its fullness.

(I'd agree some of it is. However, some of it i think is beyond children and a lot of adults. Some of it's not common sense.)

I WAS LUCKY

I suppose I was lucky. Before I discovered the Scriptures, I was a true-blue, dyed-in-the-wool, born-again heathen. The extent of my religious knowledge was that God's last name was dammit. That's all I knew. So, when I started reading the Scriptures, I wasn't burdened by all those superstitious beliefs, and I didn't know all that Christianeze, so I didn't read them through fear-colored glasses. And what I read, Lucas, blew me away!

Now, understand that I've only been a Christian for twenty-two years... but I must say, it has been the most wonderful experience of my life. I absolutely love the Scriptures! They are the highlight of my life. Everyday I uncover new riches to mine, new depths to explore, new puzzles to put together. It's probably the single-most greatest book I've ever had the privilege of reading.

(Fair enough. However, personally while I find some of it enlightening and so on I find some of it deeply offensive, questionable and well, other things.)GOD CREATED US DIFFERENT

But listen to me closely, friend, and hear what I am saying... I don't expect everyone to have the same marvelous experience with Scripture that I've had.

For example, I've not had the same marvelous experience putting together an automobile engine that my mechanic friend has had. He swears by the experience. He lives for the thrill of assembling and dismantling automobile engines. I, on the other hand, cannot stand it. It's too complicated, and too tedious for me. But then, it's his passion, not mine. Therefore, when I need my engine fixed, I take it to him, because he loves working on them.

Just as I love reading Scripture.

So, you see, this book will not have the same effect on everyone. It will not hold the same importance or engender the same level of fascination for everyone. And that's okay. God made us all different, with different interests, and different talents... and I believe He made us different so that we would need each other. If we were all the same, nothing would ever get done, because we'd all be doing the same thing. And life would be very boring.

So, I celebrate those who do not hold the same views as I do. And I enjoy when they share their views with me, as much as I enjoy sharing my views with them. Because, in sharing with one another, both parties are blessed by learning things they might never have learned otherwise.

I hope that makes sense.

ChristianWoman1 · Labrador Joined: 22 May 2008 Posts: 300

Siam · Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:51 pm Post subject:

Siam · Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:40 pm Post subject:

Good on ya' Mr Lucas, this is a great passage:

So, I celebrate those who do not hold the same views as I do. And I enjoy when they share their views with me, as much as I enjoy sharing my views with them. Because, in sharing with one another, both parties are blessed by learning things they might never have learned otherwise.

Ain't that the Truth. Very Happy

Cheers.
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ragman13 · German Shepherd Joined: 07 Jul 2007 Posts: 325

Hello Mr. Lucus, hope you are doing well today. I don't have a lot of time to discuss, the issue but thought I would at least get into it.