 |
Bible-Discussion.com Private Bible Studies and Christian Fellowship Available - Ask Nobby |
|
|
| Author |
Message |
hat lady Tadpole
Joined: 30 Jun 2008 Posts: 24
|
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:55 am Post subject: What are the requirements for salvation? |
|
|
What are the requirements for salvation?
Do we have to do anything other than repent of our sins and believe in Jesus to be saved?
Scriptures please.
God bless. _________________ Hi my name is hat lady and I like to do Bible Study Expository Sola Scriputra stlye. I am open to exploration of the scriputres. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Joebob787 Rattlesnake
Joined: 26 May 2008 Posts: 435 Location: Nj
|
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:29 am Post subject: |
|
|
Well, You have to believe Jesus died and Rose again on the third day and Has taken away your sins. You must also accept Jesus as Lord and Savior. And that you're a sinner _________________ Romans 1:16a I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
RevJP Moderator

Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 7005 Location: USA
|
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:57 am Post subject: |
|
|
Here is a quick, and thorough summary concerning 'getting saved':
Many people ask, “Is there a prayer I can pray that will result in my salvation?” When considering this question, it is important to remember that salvation is not received by reciting a prayer or uttering certain words. The Bible nowhere records a person receiving salvation by a prayer. Saying a prayer is not the Biblical way of salvation.
The Biblical method of salvation is believing in Jesus. John 3:16 tells us, “For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Salvation is gained by faith (Ephesians 2:8), by receiving Jesus as Savior (John 1:12), by fully trusting Jesus alone (John 14:6; Acts 4:12) – not by reciting a prayer.
The Biblical message of salvation is simple and clear, and amazing at the same time. We have all committed sin against God (Romans 3:23). There is no one who has lived an entire life without sinning (Ecclesiastes 7:20). Because of our sin, we have earned judgment from God (Romans 6:23), and that judgment is physical death followed by spiritual death. Because of our sin and its deserved punishment, there is nothing we can do on our own to make ourselves right with God. As a result of His love for us, God became a human being in the Person of Jesus Christ. Jesus lived a perfect life and always taught the truth. However, humanity rejected Jesus and put Him to death by crucifying Him. Through that horrible act, though, Jesus died in our place. Jesus took the burden and judgment of sin on Himself, and died for us (2 Corinthians 5:21). Jesus was then resurrected (1 Corinthians chapter 15), proving that His payment for sin was sufficient and that He had overcome sin and death. As a result of Jesus’ sacrifice, God offers us salvation as a gift. God calls us all to change our minds about Jesus (Acts 17:30), and to receive Him as the full payment of our sins (1 John 2:2). Salvation is gained by receiving the gift God offers us, not by praying a prayer.
Now, that does not mean prayer cannot be involved in receiving salvation. If you understand the Gospel, believe it to be true, and have accepted Jesus as your salvation – it is good and appropriate to express this faith to God in prayer. Communicating with God through prayer can be a way of progressing from accepting facts about Jesus to be true, to fully trusting in Jesus as Savior. Prayer can be connected to the act of placing your faith in Jesus alone for salvation.
Again, though, it is crucially important that you do not base your salvation on having said a prayer. Reciting a prayer cannot save you! If you want to receive the salvation that is available through Jesus, place your faith in Him. Fully trust His death as the sufficient sacrifice for your sins. Completely rely on Him alone as your Savior. That is the Biblical method of salvation. If you have received Jesus as your Savior, by all means, say a prayer to God. Tell God how thankful you are for Jesus. Offer praise to God for His love and sacrifice. Thank Jesus for dying for your sins and providing salvation for you. That is the Biblical connection between salvation and prayer! _________________ JP's Mind - my blog
Psa 118:8 It is better to trust and take refuge in the Lord than to put confidence in man. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Joebob787 Rattlesnake
Joined: 26 May 2008 Posts: 435 Location: Nj
|
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:36 am Post subject: |
|
|
Saying some words Isn't enough. We need to believe the words we say in the prayer.
I forgot where the verse is in Romans.
Ill paraphrase.
For whoever confesses with their mouth that Jesus is Lord, and Believes with their heart that he died for them will be Saved.
I'M PARAPHRASING. this is probably not the exact verse word for word. If anyone knows where the verse is, Please help me out. _________________ Romans 1:16a I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
hat lady Tadpole
Joined: 30 Jun 2008 Posts: 24
|
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:04 am Post subject: What are the requirements for salvation? |
|
|
Romans 10:9,10 is the verse you were looking for.
Acts 16:31 is another good verse.
Thanks for the replies.
I keep coming across those who believe that salvation is only finally accomplished with Jesus plus; Jesus plus water baptism, Jesus plus good works, Jesus plus the law, Jesus plus the priest, etc.
God Bless _________________ Hi my name is hat lady and I like to do Bible Study Expository Sola Scriputra stlye. I am open to exploration of the scriputres. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Mattathias King Kong

Joined: 06 Jul 2007 Posts: 2040 Location: Atlanta
|
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:16 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Mark 16:16 links salvation with hearing the gospel and being baptized.
| Quote: | | And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned. (NASB) |
In the parable of the sower, the "seed" is identified as "the word of God" (Luke 8:11), "the word" (Mark 4:14), "the word of the kingdom" (Matthew 13:19). The gospel that is to be preached to all creation is the gospel that Jesus preached - the gospel of the kingdom.
It is this "word of the kingdom" that the devil does not want people to hear and believe - "the devil comes and takes away the word...so that they will not believe and be saved." (Luke 8:12)
Mark 1:14-15,
| Quote: | Now after John had been taken into custody, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of God,
and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel." (NASB) |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
GospelCompilation Grizzly Bear

Joined: 18 May 2008 Posts: 706 Location: Arizona
|
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:30 am Post subject: |
|
|
I must speak for myself on this one, because my wife still struggles with my view... but...
I'm not sure the sacrifice of Jesus was meant to do anything but change the way we view God's character.
And not to be too forward, but I'm not yet convinced that His sacrifice was even necessary to the salvation of men - that is, it was only necessary because we required someone to die for our sin. I'm not convinced that God required it.
I would be happy to discuss this at length, though, as I haven't completely made up my mind yet. Thanks! |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Joebob787 Rattlesnake
Joined: 26 May 2008 Posts: 435 Location: Nj
|
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:15 am Post subject: |
|
|
Without the Shedding of Blood, There can be No forgiveness of sin. We needed a Perfect Sacrifice to be saved. _________________ Romans 1:16a I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
lone-traveler Emperor of the Universe

Joined: 02 Jul 2005 Posts: 6365 Location: USA
|
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:54 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Joebob787 wrote: | | Without the Shedding of Blood, There can be No forgiveness of sin. We needed a Perfect Sacrifice to be saved. |
just thinking...
was it necessary then for Cain to kill Abel in order to recieve the gift of forgiveness?
We don't need to worry about Abel do we? He died and God redeemed him. But Cain, he had something hidden in his heart. Jealousy, pride..something, which caused him to rise up against Abel. And it's this hidden sin that requires mercy and forgiveness.
Abel gave sacrifices and I can only assume offered up prayers for Cain and himself and his folks.
Kind of like Job offering up sacrifices for his family.
Cain required forgiveness..then was killing or shedding Abel's blood, the only way to accomplish this?
Moses killed an Egyptian. And yet God chose a murderer to lead his people out of Egypt.
And gave Moses the law stating thou shalt not murder.
Was he trying to jog Moses' conscience?
like, how can you give a law to people when you've broken that very law yourself?
So how could God show us the power of his forgiveness and mercy if there was never an "unveiling" of sin that is hiding in the heart? Did the sin need to become manifest first before God would take action and show us the truth of his character?
God didn't slay Cain after murdering Abel, but rather sent him into the world to get defeated by what he had "let loose" in the world. His own wrong doing.
And so retaliation came when one of his own slew him.
Gen 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
But Jesus slew no man, and yet was slain by man. And so condemnation came upon the whole world. But before Jesus died he prayed for God to forgive us (mankind), because we knew not what we were doing.
It was right in man's eyes to slay the "wicked one", because this is who they percieved him to be.
Gen 4:10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.
Gen 4:11 And now [art] thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;
Gen 4:12 When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.
Gen 4:13 And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment [is] greater than I can bear.
Gen 4:14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, [that] every one that findeth me shall slay me.
Gen 4:15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
Cain was being punished but yet at the same time he was being protected...
why?
concerning vagabonds:
Psalm 109..
Psa 109:10 Let his children be continually vagabonds, and beg: let them seek [their bread] also out of their desolate places.
Act 19:13 Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.
Act 19:14 And there were seven sons of [one] Sceva, a Jew, [and] chief of the priests, which did so.
Act 19:15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?
(I find that interesting..
Jhn 7:28 Then cried Jesus in the temple as he taught, saying, Ye both know me, and ye know whence I am: and I am not come of myself, but he that sent me is true, whom ye know not.
Jhn 8:19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.)
How is it the evil spirit knew Jesus? And yet did not know those who tried to cast them out in his name?
How did the evil spirit discern between Paul and the high priests?..
Act 19:16 And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.
Act 19:17 And this was known to all the Jews and Greeks also dwelling at Ephesus; and fear fell on them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified.
Act 19:18 And many that believed came, and confessed, and shewed their deeds.
Act 19:19 Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all [men]: and they counted the price of them, and found [it] fifty thousand [pieces] of silver.
Act 19:20 So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed.
So the vagabonds do what? They in their own odd way, bring people to Christ by being inflicted when they do things for their own gain. Nevertheless, they become witnesses to the truth, even when they are doing wrong.
reminds me of this verse:
Mat 12:27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast [them] out? therefore they shall be your judges.
not sure what that means...their children who cast out devils but not by the kingdom of God, will be their judges..  _________________ Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
GospelCompilation Grizzly Bear

Joined: 18 May 2008 Posts: 706 Location: Arizona
|
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:58 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Actually, JoeBob, the verse you quote is from Hebrews 9:22, and is found in the midst of a long refutation of the earthly priesthood and the Mosaic covenant.
RELEASE FROM BONDAGE
The verse literally reads: "According to the law almost all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no release from the bondage of missing the mark."
What this verse claims is that "according to the law," there is no release from the bondage of missing the mark. What it does not say is "according to God." In other words, I've not yet found a single verse in Scripture where it says God required blood before He could offer His forgiveness.
THE BONDAGE OF FEAR
The law said we were in bondage. The question is: In bondage to what? Hebrews 2:15 claims that Christ came to "completely set free all those who were held in bondage by the fear of death."
Paul speaks a lot about slavery and bondage in Romans 6-8. But, in 8:15, he uses the phrase, "you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear." Here we see him using "bondage" and "fear" together, just as the writer of Hebrews.
THE FEAR STILL EXISTS
Let me share with you how I see it:
1) When we walk outside of God's path, we "miss the mark" (in other words, God keeps telling us what to aim for, but we keep missing it).
2) And because we understand God to say, "If you miss the mark I set for you, you will die," we assume that God will kill us (or, send us to hell) if we "miss the mark."
3) Therefore, we live our entire lives in fear of God's wrath, thinking He will kill us (or, send us to hell) for all the times we strayed off the path.
4) But, thanks be to God, He gave His only begotten Son to die in our place, so now we don't have to die for our sins. Whew! We actually think God's anger is appeased because He got His blood sacrifice, and now we can rejoice, because we no longer have to die for our sins.
5) Unfortunately... Christians still live in fear... because they worry over whether Christ's sacrifice will cover the sins they commit after they've been saved... and why do they continue to fear? Because they are still in bondage to the fear of death (or, hell).
WE CANNOT ACCEPT GOD
What man has difficulty accepting is God's grace: that is to say, man has a problem accepting God's complete and unconditional love and forgiveness. At a subconscious level, we still believe He's out to destroy us.
But, I'm of the opinion that, if God wants to destroy anything, He wants to destroy the false beliefs that destroy us from the inside out.
OBEDIENCE, NOT SACRIFICE
I believe that's why Jesus came as a Man and why He died on a cross, because of what it says in Hebrews 10:5-9:
When He came into the world, [Christ] said, "You do not desire sacrifice and offering, for You have no pleasure in burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin. But You have prepared a body for Me." Then He said, "Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God."
We always assume that God's will was for Jesus to die, so that God's anger could be appeased. But that is not what the verse says. It says that Jesus came to do the will of His Father. In other words, Jesus came to show us how to obey God.
I'm simply not convinced that God required the shedding of blood before He could offer His forgiveness to fallen mankind. As I currently understand it, we required the shedding of blood in order to forgive ourselves for what we've done. I don't think it was God who required it. I think it was only ourselves who required it. And I believe that God loved us enough to give us what we required: that is, a blood sacrifice.
But keep talking to me, though. I've not yet set this belief in stone. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Evee Moderator

Joined: 13 Sep 2005 Posts: 676
|
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:07 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Actually, I could follow your whole post, GC. It makes a lot of sense. I'd be curious to hear more of it. _________________ Don't get caught in the trap of thinking you know everything God has to say b/c you've read the Bible. Remember, God is STILL speaking. And surprisingly, through people we DON'T expect. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Don Fisher Little Guppy
Joined: 17 Jun 2008 Posts: 31
|
Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 1:20 am Post subject: |
|
|
The only thing that saves is faith-union with Christ.
No other rite or practice is required. Indeed, as soon as someone says salvation is by faith plus xxx there is a problem.
The Bible teaches that the atonement is more than a supreme example of God's love; any view which sees Christ's death as something less than a vicarious bearing of our sin in order to propitiate God is sub-biblical .
God's Word shows us over and over that Christ's death is a divinely provided satisfaction for sin. It is not just a single verse in Hebrews that tells us this (though that verse certainly does), but the entire Epistle of Hebrews which present Jesus as our High Priest. Plus major portions of the rest of the Bible.
The verse which leads to the erroneous conclusion that "Jesus came to show US how to obey God" actually states nothing of the sort. It explains that He came to obey God. He did that, precisely because we could not.
There are those who think it is a sign of intelligence to sweep aside what Christians over the centuries have come to believe regarding major themes of the Bible, such as the atonement. How exciting to come up with "new ideas". In actual experience, most of the time the "new ideas" tend to fall far short of the agreed-upon doctrines of the Christian church. And sometimes, they lead into outright heresy. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
GospelCompilation Grizzly Bear

Joined: 18 May 2008 Posts: 706 Location: Arizona
|
Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:25 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Don Fisher wrote: | | "The verse which leads to the erroneous conclusion that 'Jesus came to show US how to obey God' actually states nothing of the sort. It explains that He came to obey God. He did that, precisely because we could not." |
I've heard that argument a lot recently: that, "we could not obey God, so Jesus came to obey Him for us, so we don't have to worry about obedience anymore."
But, where in Scripture is that idea taught... that we were incapable of obeying God? |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
JB Lion King
Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 1075
|
Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:53 am Post subject: |
|
|
GospelCompilation,
Do I understand you correctly. You don't believe that the shed blood of Christ is necessary in salvation?
JB |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Mattathias King Kong

Joined: 06 Jul 2007 Posts: 2040 Location: Atlanta
|
Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:39 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Don Fisher wrote: | | The only thing that saves is faith-union with Christ. |
I agree. How is it accomplished? (In other words, faith in what?)
Last edited by Mattathias on Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:52 pm; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
|
|