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JonMarie
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So then are you saying that God does not want all people to be saved ?
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Are you saying that God so exclusively loved the chosen of the world that He gave His only beloved Son that whosoever of the chosen ones believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life?
John 3:15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
I love Mark Kielar also, but disagree on this point.
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Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. |
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beloved57
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | So then are you saying that God does not want all people to be saved ? |
correct..some are vessels of wrath, he made them for that purpose..
| Quote: | | Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. |
The usward are the elect, those beloved of God..look at vs 8
8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
2nd thess 2:
13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
| Quote: | | Are you saying that God so exclusively loved the chosen of the world that He gave His only beloved Son that whosoever of the chosen ones believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life? |
Yes only the chosen sheep believe on him..jn 10:
26But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you |
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Silver Surfer
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Joined: 12 Jul 2003
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Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 7:37 pm Post subject: Re: What are the requirements for salvation? |
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The whole process of Salvation is to get rid of any sinful practices and habits, out of our daily lives.
The Bible tells us that it can be done.....and, has been done, by people just like you and me.
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Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. |
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beloved57
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 7:58 pm Post subject: Re: What are the requirements for salvation? |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | The whole process of Salvation is to get rid of any sinful practices and habits, out of our daily lives.
The Bible tells us that it can be done.....and, has been done, by people just like you and me. |
You dont understand salvation.. |
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Silver Surfer
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Joined: 12 Jul 2003
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Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:14 pm Post subject: Re: What are the requirements for salvation? |
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| beloved57 wrote: | | Silver Surfer wrote: | The whole process of Salvation is to get rid of any sinful practices and habits, out of our daily lives.
The Bible tells us that it can be done.....and, has been done, by people just like you and me. |
You dont understand salvation.. |
OH ?
How so ?
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Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. |
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JonMarie
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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2nd thess 2:
13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
Yes, God from the beginning has chosen all the beloved brethren (all those who come to Him, those who believe the truth) to receive the gift of salvation through sanctification of the Spirit.
Mark 7: 25For a certain woman, whose young daughter had an unclean spirit, heard of him, and came and fell at his feet:
26The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation; and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter.
27But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.
28And she answered and said unto him, Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children's crumbs.
29And he said unto her, For this saying go thy way; the devil is gone out of thy daughter.
30And when she was come to her house, she found the devil gone out, and her daughter laid upon the bed.
Beloved57: | Quote: | | Jesus is the saviour of His people..He saved them, not provide a chance to get saved,... |
Not provided a chance to get saved, provided the way to get saved.
John 14:6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Salvation is available to all who seek God with all their heart.
Jer 29:13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
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Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. |
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beloved57
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:59 am Post subject: Re: What are the requirements for salvation? |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | | beloved57 wrote: | | Silver Surfer wrote: | The whole process of Salvation is to get rid of any sinful practices and habits, out of our daily lives.
The Bible tells us that it can be done.....and, has been done, by people just like you and me. |
You dont understand salvation.. |
OH ?
How so ? |
God simply has not revealed it to you.. |
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GospelCompilation
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Joined: 18 May 2008
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Beloved wrote: | | "You don't understand salvation. God simply has not revealed it to you." |
That is such a judgmental crock of sh*t, Beloved. Who made you the purveyor of what God has and hasn't revealed to another human being? Just because someone disagrees with you on a particular doctrinal statement doesn't mean that God hasn't revealed "the truth" to them. It simply means they disagree with you.
Let's get off our arrogant, self-righteous, judgmental anti-Christian high horses, shall we? Then perhaps God will reveal some real truth to us about who He is and how He intends for us to treat one another.
Elitist attitudes do nothing but misrepresent God to the world. |
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JonMarie
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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Galations 6:1
Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
1 Cor 4:21 What will ye? shall I come unto you with a rod, or in love, and in the spirit of meekness?
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Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. |
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beloved57
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | That is such a judgmental crock of sh*t, Beloved. Who made you the purveyor of what God has and hasn't revealed to another human being? |
You either believe the gospel or you dont..and you dont.. |
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Silver Surfer
Emperor of the World
Joined: 12 Jul 2003
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Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:33 am Post subject: |
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| beloved57 wrote: | | Quote: | | That is such a judgmental crock of sh*t, Beloved. Who made you the purveyor of what God has and hasn't revealed to another human being? |
You either believe the gospel or you dont..and you dont.. |
Have you read the EverLasting Gospel of Revelation 14 ?
Rev. 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive [his] mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
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Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. |
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beloved57
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:14 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Have you read the EverLasting Gospel of Revelation 14 ?
Rev. 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. |
I am one who witnesses to this very gospel, but its soley for a witness..matt 24:
14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. |
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Silver Surfer
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Joined: 12 Jul 2003
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Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| beloved57 wrote: | | Quote: | Have you read the EverLasting Gospel of Revelation 14 ?
Rev. 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. |
I am one who witnesses to this very gospel, but its soley for a witness..matt 24:
14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. |
OK...how does this fit into that......
Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you...."
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Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. |
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beloved57
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 6:48 am Post subject: |
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OK...how does this fit into that......
| Quote: | Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you...." |
Fits well with it..whats your point ? He was not talking to me then.. |
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 6:37 am Post subject: |
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| beloved57 wrote: | OK...how does this fit into that......
| Quote: | Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you...." |
Fits well with it..whats your point ? He was not talking to me then.. |
My point is......
Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life ?
19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
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Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. |
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