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Croref
Little Goldfish
Joined: 31 Aug 2008
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 Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:49 am Post subject: Re: What are the requirements for salvation? |
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| hat lady wrote: | What are the requirements for salvation?
Do we have to do anything other than repent of our sins and believe in Jesus to be saved?
Scriptures please.
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Is actually knowing of Jesus Christ a necessary requirement for salvation? Is not faith in God alone and the Blood of Jesus sufficient? (see Rom.5:1) What is the real reason for knowing it was Jesus who shed His Blood for me?
Jesus said: "Go and make disciples". |
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Silver Surfer
Emperor of the World
Joined: 12 Jul 2003
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Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 6:57 am Post subject: Re: What are the requirements for salvation? |
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| Croref wrote: |
Is actually knowing of Jesus Christ a necessary requirement for salvation? |
YES !!!!!
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Is not faith in God alone and the Blood of Jesus sufficient? (see Rom.5:1) |
NO !!!!!
There are 2 parts to the Gospel message.
Jesus Christ's sacrifice was just one of them.
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What is the real reason for knowing it was Jesus who shed His Blood for me?
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The question should be: WHY did Jesus shed His blood for you ?
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beloved57
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:41 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Is actually knowing of Jesus Christ a necessary requirement for salvation? |
Nope, none of Gods elect know of or believe in christ before their salvation is revealed to them.. |
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Croref
Little Goldfish
Joined: 31 Aug 2008
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:49 am Post subject: Re: What are the requirements for salvation? |
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[quote="Silver Surfer"] | Croref wrote: |
| Quote: | | Is actually knowing of Jesus Christ a necessary requirement for salvation? |
YES !!!!![/b |
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OK. So why do suppose it is necessary? Does knowing redeem or is it simply the Blood. Was man not justified by faith in God? What eventually made peace with God in justified man's behalf, if not the Blood of Jesus? Did a justified man have to know that? Many died before finding out. Anna and Simeon come quickly to mind. (see Rom. 5:1)
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Is not faith in God alone and the Blood of Jesus sufficient? (see Rom.5:1) |
[b]NO !!!!!
There are 2 parts to the Gospel message.
Jesus Christ's sacrifice was just one of them. |
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What is the real reason for knowing it was Jesus who shed His Blood for me? |
Kindly let my question alone.
I am not denying there are two parts to His message, however, that was not my question. |
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Silver Surfer
Emperor of the World
Joined: 12 Jul 2003
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Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:40 am Post subject: Re: What are the requirements for salvation? |
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| Croref wrote: |
I am not denying there are two parts to His message, however, that was not my question. |
What is your real question, if I may ask ?
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Croref
Little Goldfish
Joined: 31 Aug 2008
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:09 am Post subject: Re: What are the requirements for salvation? |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | | Croref wrote: |
I am not denying there are two parts to His message, however, that was not my question. |
What is your real question, if I may ask ? |
Is actually knowing of Jesus Christ a necessary requirement for salvation? Is not faith in God alone and the Blood of Jesus sufficient? (see Rom.5:1) What is the real reason for knowing it was Jesus who shed His Blood for me?
Jesus said: "Go and make disciples".
I will give you another clue: Jesus never told the Disciple to "Go and get people saved".
Please, carefully review Rom.5:1. Ask yourself the question: Were the Disciples saved after the cross but before John 20:22?
I am just asking you to think. |
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Silver Surfer
Emperor of the World
Joined: 12 Jul 2003
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Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:28 am Post subject: Re: What are the requirements for salvation? |
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| Croref wrote: | | Silver Surfer wrote: | | Croref wrote: |
I am not denying there are two parts to His message, however, that was not my question. |
What is your real question, if I may ask ? |
Is actually knowing of Jesus Christ a necessary requirement for salvation? Is not faith in God alone and the Blood of Jesus sufficient? (see Rom.5:1) What is the real reason for knowing it was Jesus who shed His Blood for me? |
Paul endeavored to direct the minds of his hearers to the one great Sacrifice for sin.
He pointed to the sacrifices that were shadows of good things to come, and then presented Christ as the antitype of all those ceremonies--the object to which they pointed as the only source of life and hope for fallen man.
Paul dwelt especially upon the far-reaching claims of God's law.
He showed how it extends to the deep secrets of man's moral nature and throws a flood of light upon that which has been concealed from the sight and knowledge of men.
What the hands may do or the tongue may utter--what the outer life reveals--but imperfectly shows man's moral character.
The law searches his thoughts, motives, and purposes. The dark passions that lie hidden from the sight of men, the jealousy, hatred, lust, and ambition, the evil deeds meditated upon in the dark recesses of the soul, yet never executed for want of opportunity--all these God's law condemns.
Holy men of old were saved by faith in the blood of Christ.
As they saw the dying agonies of the sacrificial victims they looked across the gulf of ages to the Lamb of God that was to take away the sin of the world.
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Jesus said: "Go and make disciples".
I will give you another clue: Jesus never told the Disciple to "Go and get people saved". |
First of alll...where is that Bible verse found ?
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Please, carefully review Rom.5:1. Ask yourself the question: Were the Disciples saved after the cross but before John 20:22?
I am just asking you to think. |
Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Being Justified by faith, means.....that we are forgiven of our past sins, with the condition of living a life no more committing any more known sins.
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Croref
Little Goldfish
Joined: 31 Aug 2008
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 1:07 pm Post subject: Re: What are the requirements for salvation? |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | | Croref wrote: | | Silver Surfer wrote: | | Croref wrote: |
I am not denying there are two parts to His message, however, that was not my question. |
What is your real question, if I may ask ? |
Is actually knowing of Jesus Christ a necessary requirement for salvation? Is not faith in God alone and the Blood of Jesus sufficient? (see Rom.5:1) What is the real reason for knowing it was Jesus who shed His Blood for me? |
Paul endeavored to direct the minds of his hearers to the one great Sacrifice for sin.
He pointed to the sacrifices that were shadows of good things to come, and then presented Christ as the antitype of all those ceremonies--the object to which they pointed as the only source of life and hope for fallen man.
Paul dwelt especially upon the far-reaching claims of God's law.
He showed how it extends to the deep secrets of man's moral nature and throws a flood of light upon that which has been concealed from the sight and knowledge of men.
What the hands may do or the tongue may utter--what the outer life reveals--but imperfectly shows man's moral character.
The law searches his thoughts, motives, and purposes. The dark passions that lie hidden from the sight of men, the jealousy, hatred, lust, and ambition, the evil deeds meditated upon in the dark recesses of the soul, yet never executed for want of opportunity--all these God's law condemns.
Holy men of old were saved by faith in the blood of Christ.
As they saw the dying agonies of the sacrificial victims they looked across the gulf of ages to the Lamb of God that was to take away the sin of the world. |
I want to know what you think not what some agenda ridden commentary says. What it says is irrelevant. Who wrote it, by the way?
Righteous men of old were justified by faith in God. When they died they went to Paradise, a holding tank if you will, because their own righteousness was insufficient righteousness to cancel out Adam's transgression that would have allowed them to enter directly into Presence of God. They stayed there until Jesus set them free by the shedding of His Blood.. It is as simple as that.
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Jesus said: "Go and make disciples". |
"Go therefore and *make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit," Matthew 28:19 (NASB77)
*Teach (KJV) |
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Mattathias
King Kong
Joined: 06 Jul 2007
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Location: Atlanta
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 1:32 pm Post subject: Re: What are the requirements for salvation? |
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| Croref wrote: | | I want to know what you think not what some agenda ridden commentary says. What it says is irrelevant. |
Meaning no offense to Silver Surfer, may I ask what makes his (possibly agenda ridden) commentary relevant but professional (possibly agenda ridden) commentary irrelevant? (Personally, I would like to hear both.)
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Croref
Little Goldfish
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 2:55 pm Post subject: Re: What are the requirements for salvation? |
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| Mattathias wrote: | | Croref wrote: | | I want to know what you think not what some agenda ridden commentary says. What it says is irrelevant. |
Meaning no offense to Silver Surfer, may I ask what makes his (possibly agenda ridden) commentary relevant but professional (possibly agenda ridden) commentary irrelevant? (Personally, I would like to hear both.) |
Also meaning no offense to either of you, . . . . then let it answer my question without a whole all lot of "who struck John" that does not even address it, whether it be his or some professional. I know when answers are over all over the map and the reasons they are. . . .. )) |
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Silver Surfer
Emperor of the World
Joined: 12 Jul 2003
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Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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| RevJP wrote: |
Many people ask, “Is there a prayer I can pray that will result in my salvation?” |
Yes, there is.
Psalms 51:1-10 | Quote: |
When considering this question, it is important to remember that salvation is not received by reciting a prayer or uttering certain words. The Bible nowhere records a person receiving salvation by a prayer. Saying a prayer is not the Biblical way of salvation. |
Pslams 51:1-10
| Quote: | | The Biblical method of salvation is believing in Jesus. John 3:16 tells us, “For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.” |
This does NOT tell a person the mechanics of how Salvation works.
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Salvation is gained by faith (Ephesians 2:8), |
Why wasn't the rest of it recited ?
2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Faith, is always shown by ones works.
The works show whether a person understands Salvation or not.
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Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. |
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Mattathias
King Kong
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 5:34 pm Post subject: Re: What are the requirements for salvation? |
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| Croref wrote: | | Also meaning no offense to either of you, . . . . |
None taken. 
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Croref
Little Goldfish
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 2:11 am Post subject: |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | | RevJP wrote: |
Many people ask, “Is there a prayer I can pray that will result in my salvation?” |
Yes, there is.
Psalms 51:1-10 | Quote: |
When considering this question, it is important to remember that salvation is not received by reciting a prayer or uttering certain words. The Bible nowhere records a person receiving salvation by a prayer. Saying a prayer is not the Biblical way of salvation. |
Pslams 51:1-10
| Quote: | | The Biblical method of salvation is believing in Jesus. John 3:16 tells us, “For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.” |
This does NOT tell a person the mechanics of how Salvation works.
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Salvation is gained by faith (Ephesians 2:8), |
Why wasn't the rest of it recited ?
2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Faith, is always shown by ones works.
The works show whether a person understands Salvation or not. |
For sake of conversation:
Scenario #1
I am well off and have no material needs. I do charitable works in the community and believe in God. My conscience is clear. I am happy. Now, please explain all that to me and how I fall short. . . . .)) |
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Silver Surfer
Emperor of the World
Joined: 12 Jul 2003
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Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 4:33 am Post subject: |
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| Croref wrote: | For sake of conversation:
Scenario #1
I am well off and have no material needs. I do charitable works in the community and believe in God. My conscience is clear. I am happy. Now, please explain all that to me and how I fall short. . . . .)) |
All I can say is...for any person who claims to be a Christian, is to compare their lives to what the 10 Commandment says (Exodus 20:3-17) and, live their lives, just as Jesus Christ did.
That is the whole thing about what Christainity is.
AND, to do that requires God's Help.
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Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. |
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Croref
Little Goldfish
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 5:37 am Post subject: |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | | Croref wrote: | For sake of conversation:
Scenario #1
I am well off and have no material needs. I do charitable works in the community and believe in God. My conscience is clear. I am happy. Now, please explain all that to me and how I fall short. . . . .)) |
All I can say is...for any person who claims to be a Christian, is to compare their lives to what the 10 Commandment says (Exodus 20:3-17) and, live their lives, just as Jesus Christ did.
That is the whole thing about what Christainity is.
AND, to do that requires God's Help. |
But I didn't say I was a Christian. So what do I need know about my faith in God that I believe will secure me eternal life? As one who has sent out, why are you sent to me? What is it you wish to explain that I need to know? |
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