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hat lady Tadpole
Joined: 30 Jun 2008 Posts: 24
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:49 am Post subject: What constitutes the Gospel of Salvation? |
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What would you say constitutes the Gospel of Salvation? And where in the Bible does it say that there is a Gospel of salvation and what it is?
Scriptures please, do not submit opinions based off what you know, please give the scriptures for the hope that lies within you.
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GospelCompilation Grizzly Bear

Joined: 18 May 2008 Posts: 706 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Would you mind restating the question? I would love to share my thoughts and hear the thoughts of others... but I'm not sure exactly what you are asking. Sorry. |
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Silver Surfer Emperor of the World

Joined: 12 Jul 2003 Posts: 3255 Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 7:59 pm Post subject: Re: What constitutes the Gospel of Salvation? |
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| hat lady wrote: | | What would you say constitutes the Gospel of Salvation? |
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
And this of course leads to other Bible verses, such as.....
James 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
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And where in the Bible does it say what that the that there is a Gospel of salvation and what it is? | I don't believe that there is any one or two Bible verses which explains everything.
The very first reference to the Gospel of Salvation is found in Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. _________________ Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. |
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Silver Surfer Emperor of the World

Joined: 12 Jul 2003 Posts: 3255 Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 11:10 am Post subject: Re: What constitutes the Gospel of Salvation? |
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| hat lady wrote: | What would you say constitutes the Gospel of Salvation? And where in the Bible does it say that there is a Gospel of salvation and what it is?
Scriptures please, do not submit opinions based off what you know, please give the scriptures for the hope that lies within you.
God Bless |
WHY is there so very few, NOT investigating this thread ? _________________ Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. |
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GospelCompilation Grizzly Bear

Joined: 18 May 2008 Posts: 706 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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Oops, we pushed the button too many times.
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GospelCompilation Grizzly Bear

Joined: 18 May 2008 Posts: 706 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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We felt the question was too broad. That's why we asked her to narrow it a little. Even in your excellent response, you made the comment that "I don't believe that there is any one or two Bible verses which explains everything."
We don't think people ignored it. It was simply too big of a question. It needed to be pared down. |
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Silver Surfer Emperor of the World

Joined: 12 Jul 2003 Posts: 3255 Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| GospelCompilation wrote: | We felt the question was too broad. That's why we asked her to narrow it a little. Even in your excellent response, you made the comment that "I don't believe that there is any one or two Bible verses which explains everything."
We don't think people ignored it. It was simply too big of a question. It needed to be pared down. | 'Pared down'....I can agree with that, as there are different elements in the plan of Salvation.
Words...such as, Grace....sin.....Law.....faith....ect.
Each word has a bearing on the whole Plan of Salvation, and each must be fully understood to appreciate the whole.
And each word must come from the Bible's definition of what God says that each word means. _________________ Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. |
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ShardikSon Bear Cub

Joined: 10 Jul 2008 Posts: 610 Location: Aux Arcs
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Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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This seems like a good place to start.
| Quote: | Luke 1:76-78 (KJV)
76 And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways;
77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
78 Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us,
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Or here:
| Quote: | Luke 1:68-70 (KJV)
68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;
70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began: |
And perhaps here:
| Quote: | Romans 10:9-11 (KJV)
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. |
And for the finale:
| Quote: | Revelation 12:9-11 (KJV)
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. |
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Mattathias King Kong

Joined: 06 Jul 2007 Posts: 2040 Location: Atlanta
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 3:33 pm Post subject: Re: What constitutes the Gospel of Salvation? |
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| hat lady wrote: | | What would you say constitutes the Gospel of Salvation? And where in the Bible does it say that there is a Gospel of salvation and what it is? |
The "gospel of salvation" is the gospel of the kingdom.
We find the following in the parable of the sower.
| Quote: | | Now the parable is this: the seed is the word of God. Those beside the road are those who have heard; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their heart, so that they will not believe and be saved. (Luke 8:11-12 NASB) |
In order to be saved, a person must hear and believe "the word of God". But what is the "word of God" that brings about salvation?
In the parallel passage in Mark 4:14 we find the following.
| Quote: | | The sower sows the word. (NASB) |
So we see that "the word" is something akin to shorthand for "the word of God". But there is one more parallel that we should examine. It is found in Matthew 13:19.
| Quote: | | When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart. (NASB) |
So now we see that "the word of God" (Luke) = "the word" (Mark) = "the word of the kingdom" (Matthew).
The message that offers salvation to mankind is "the word of God/the word/ the word of the kingdom" that Jesus (the sower) preached (sowed). _________________ "All wish to possess knowledge, but few, comparatively speaking, are willing to pay the price." - Juvenal |
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Nickman German Shepherd

Joined: 15 Oct 2008 Posts: 334 Location: Italy
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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Mattathias,
Good job I see you understand the Kingdom and not heaven going like alot of people.
I would like to add alot:
Jesus told the Apostles to Go preach the Gospel in Luke9
1When Jesus had called the Twelve together, he gave them power and authority to drive out all demons and to cure diseases, 2and he sent them out to preach the kingdom of God and to heal the sick. 3He told them: "Take nothing for the journey—no staff, no bag, no bread, no money, no extra tunic. 4Whatever house you enter, stay there until you leave that town. 5If people do not welcome you, shake the dust off your feet when you leave their town, as a testimony against them." 6So they set out and went from village to village, preaching the gospel and healing people everywhere.
People dont notice this because they dont study but the Apostles had no idea Jesus was going to suffer and die, but yet they preched the Gospel of the Kingdom.
Later in the same Chapter
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22And he said, "The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life."
What was the Good news of the Kingdom? You have to look at all the prophesies concerning the Kingdom and their are many in the OT.
Salvation wasnt preached until after Jesus' resurrection.
How does this all fit?
The only way into the Kingdom is through the King. Many people think that Jesus stood in their place on the cross to pay a debt. This is not true because if he did then we would never die and we wouldnt have to be obedient because everything is already paid for. To think this make sthe person believe that God is blood thirsty and asked his son to do something that he told the Israelites to stay away from and that is sacrifice.
The truth is from scripture, that Jesus died for us and the word blood just means his life. Too many people have this fixation about his blood as if they could get a vial and poor it on themselves, I would have to say that this would do nothing for the Person.
Acts 2
36"Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."
37When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, "Brothers, what shall we do?"
38Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call."
40With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, "Save yourselves from this corrupt generation." 41Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.
You will notice that the people were cut to the heart and asked what they could do. Peter says "Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for forgiveness of sins" then in verse 40 he says "save yourselves from this corrupt generation".
Repentance was first and shows that one must truly hate their sin and not want it anymore. We must look at it from Gods eyes.
The lamb sacrifice will help you understand the sacrifice of Jesus. First we see it in Genesis Adam and Eve made little leaf coverings(this word is important so remember it) but God deemed them unworthy. So he made clothes for them out of skins. Anyone will say wait a minute didnt he have to kill an animal for the skins? Precisely and this showed Adam and Eve the severity of their sin. It caused death just as God pronounces would happen if he ate the fruit.
When an Israelite sinned he would go to his flock and choose the best one he had to offer unto God for atonement. The lamb represented him and he would lay his hands on it and confess his sins after the priest had inspected it. The lamb would then be slain and burnt upon the altar. It wasnt a waste though because the sinner would eat its flesh. Does this remind you of what Jesus said about himself? The whole event showed first that a person was sorry for their sin and that he understood that it caused death and he was guilty and condemned to death. The animal though represented him and was killed for him not in his place because he would still die.
This mindset was what God wanted to reinforce in his people: true sincerity for wrong doing.
When Jesus came along he was our lamb as the bible says. He crucified himself daily because he shared in our sinful nature but yet he was without sin.
Hebrews 2:14Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil— 15and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. 16For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham's descendants. 17For this reason he had to be made like his brothers in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for[f]the sins of the people. 18Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.
Jesus fought an earthly internal and external battle one with his self (devil), and the other with exterior adversaries such as the Pharisses and Saducees. But Jesus proved perfect in character and crucified this sinful nature that all have given into.
How can this save us though? Jesus is our representative just like the lamb was, but lambs and humans are different. Jesus was one of us and he represented the human race unto God with his perfect life. Adam digressed from this and we have all fallen short.
So what happens when one man overcomes sin? He becomes the author of salvation and show others the way to receive eternal life while providing a covering(his own life).
Hebrews 5:7During the days of Jesus' life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. 8Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered 9and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him 10and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek.
and 1John 1:If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth. 7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all[b] sin.
So we learned Jesus is our representative. He represents our best efforts and character. We must first repent, then be baptized. The baptism is our acknowledgment of the truths pertaining to the Kingdom and the name Jesus Christ both are synonymous and you cant have one without the other. When we are baptized we symbolically die to the life we lived before we heard the word about the Kingdom and its King and in this we make a covenant with God to live a life without sin. We die side by side with Jesus on the cross (symbolically). And we are raised to a new life which we aim to bring forth good fruit. Only those who overcome their sinful nature can enter the Kingdom of God. It may fight you to stay alive but if you destroy it with Christ you have Jesus as your covering and God imputes righteousness to you for your faith in this Good News.
You have to save yourself from this corrupt generation by clinging to the one who can save.
Sorry this was long but alot of things go into it.
Questions? If you need more scripture let me know and I will post all.
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Silver Surfer Emperor of the World

Joined: 12 Jul 2003 Posts: 3255 Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 7:07 am Post subject: |
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| Nickman wrote: |
Salvation wasnt preached until after Jesus' resurrection.
| Soory to have to tel you this, BUT.....the Plan of Salvation was made known to Adam & Eve.
And, from that point on, the people who were loyal to God knew of it , and passed it on from one generation to the next generation.
And even the Apostle Paul spoke of Salvation being known in the OT.......
2 Timothy 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
The phrase: "EverLasting Gospel' message spoken of in Revelation, chapter 14..... meant from the very beginging (Genesis to Revelation) _________________ Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. |
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Nickman German Shepherd

Joined: 15 Oct 2008 Posts: 334 Location: Italy
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | | Nickman wrote: |
Salvation wasnt preached until after Jesus' resurrection.
| Soory to have to tel you this, BUT.....the Plan of Salvation was made known to Adam & Eve.
And, from that point on, the people who were loyal to God knew of it , and passed it on from one generation to the next generation.
And even the Apostle Paul spoke of Salvation being known in the OT.......
2 Timothy 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
The phrase: "EverLasting Gospel' message spoken of in Revelation, chapter 14..... meant from the very beginging (Genesis to Revelation) |
Sorry this is false. The disciples preached the Gospel without even knowing Jesus would be crucified for their sins.
Jesus was the capstone that fulfilled all that was spoken of. The prophesies in the OT tell about the Messiah and the people looked forward to him but no one knew exactly what was going to happen.
[color=blue]2 Timothy 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
The scriptures can show a person the truth that finally came with Jesus. When Paul told the Bereans about Christ they didnt believe his words so they looked in the scriptures to see if Jesus matched up with the message that was written.
The law was given in the OT not the full message and plan of salvation. Paul was able to gain salvation thru the OT scripture but not without Jesus. The scriptures allow a person to see if Jesus matches up to OT prophesies. This can make you wise unto salvation.
But all I said was that the Gospel wasnt preached until after Jesus rose from the dead. The message has no effect without the fulfillment thereof. If Jesus didnt raise from the dead then there is no Gospel. The completed message is called The things pertaining to the Kingdom and the Name Jesus Christ.
You cant have the Kingdom without the King.
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Silver Surfer Emperor of the World

Joined: 12 Jul 2003 Posts: 3255 Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Nickman"][quote="Silver Surfer"] | Nickman wrote: |
Salvation wasnt preached until after Jesus' resurrection.
| So...you're saying that every time the word 'Salvation' was used in the OT, that it was wrong ?
Psalms 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.
119:166 LORD, I have hoped for thy salvation, and done thy commandments. _________________ Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. |
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Nickman German Shepherd

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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Silver Surfer"][quote="Nickman"] | Silver Surfer wrote: | | Nickman wrote: |
Salvation wasnt preached until after Jesus' resurrection.
| So...you're saying that every time the word 'Salvation' was used in the OT, that it was wrong ?
Psalms 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.
119:166 LORD, I have hoped for thy salvation, and done thy commandments. |
I think we are just misunderstanding each other. The full message of the Kingdom and the King were not preached until Jesus' resurrection. Salvation in the OT is the same as it is in the NT. I am stating that the full message wasnt preached until after Jesus. Maybe I should be more clear.
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Abdullah Big Hamster
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:20 am Post subject: |
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Gospel of salvation?
Do to others what you'd have them do to you. |
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