Who is Jesus? And Who is God ? Do we have Three Gods?

habeshaw · Growing Guppy Joined: 18 Jun 2008 Posts: 41

hi Ryck, thanks for your reply

Actually, since i am not an English Speaker, i don't use the English Bible, I use a bible Written in Amharic(GEEZ), which is one of the oldest language, and bible too.
Any way, when i refer some bible words, since i have to use English Bible, I use The Holy Bible, King James Version. But I say to you, the word i Mentioned earlier
"John 1:10. He(Word) was in the World, and the World was made by him, and the world knew him not" completely matches with the Amharic Bible, but we know that the exact Words of Jesus will
be lost because of Devil.

About The NIV,(you mentioned), I think it's meaning has a little difference, but not much. Even if we accept
what you mentioned true, We can atleast say for sure that, before the World is being created, Jesus was there
with his father.

Any way Rick, Please read john 1:1, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,and the Word was God. the same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him;" what can you say about it?

PLease my friend Let's wake up, we don't have to waste our time debating about Jesus. we are far better than Jews, and Muslims, far far far better, do we have to think like Jews, who Crucify Jesus because he Says I and The Father are One? Do we have to think like muslims who belive
Jesus is A prphet and his grace is Lower Than Mohammed? My Friend, If you are christian, be Proud, you are living in light which is admirable.

My friend, Can't we realize Our self the Words of Jesus , I am the Beginning, and the Ending,
Alpha and Omega, the first and the last? Do you think we always have to ask the same question
asked thousand years ago? which the Jews asked, prepare answer for them selves, and fall because of it?

My friend, If you can belive Jesus is God, I say to you, start living and you will live a life of Saints, with full of hope,miracle and happiness, but if you have doubt about that Jesus is not God, At least Belive that Jesus is the only Son of God, and his father give him
the authority to do anything, you can still live with harmony, but I say to you, your life will not be
with perfection, but i belive, if you open your heart and Worship God, he will show you the truth.

My friend, If you love your God, just Pray,fast and ask him to show you the truth.keep his commandments, which make christians unique from others.

But for your perfection to come soon, Pray, Pray and Pray.

But I say to you, the father and the Son and the Sprit are one.

john 17:11 " And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and i come to thee. Holy Father,
keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they maybe one, as we are."

John 17:22 " And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one , even as we are one."
my friend, the above words support the following
john 10:30. " I and my Father are one."

Let God Bless Us all

Jesus Christ is the True God.

Ryck · Lion King Joined: 05 Dec 2002 Posts: 1094

Rocket · House Cat Joined: 10 Dec 2006 Posts: 160

Habeshaw, You use the Aramaic version of the Bible, that is so cool. The Aramaic version I know of is the pershitta, which was handed down to the church in Syria. There are many versions on line, most of which translate according to the particular denomination of Christian church the tranlator belongs to. Do you know of the Lamsa version, and how do you think it translates.

habeshaw · Growing Guppy Joined: 18 Jun 2008 Posts: 41

hi Ryck, It is good to hear that you belive Jesus is the Only Son of God.

Have you ever ask what son means?... since because we see things from our Perspective, sometimes me miss somethings.
What is Son mean to you? what do you think the difference between son and the Father?
but for me a son is, if i know the father, behaves like his Father. what do i mean?

Let's take you, you almost behave like your father, not only your parents, but also the whole human being behavioraly,
which means, you eat, drink, talk, walk, think, die etc, like any human being, except some practical differences,
but remember your internal makeup(behaviour) will never differ from another human, except very limited appearance of mutations.

But let's compare a human with a sun or a plant, etc...they have completely defferent behaviour, but as humans do, a sun has also its own behaviour,

look at stars, each stars might differe in size, distance from earth, etc..., they all posses same behavour as other stars.

if you plannt a wheat, you will get wheat. If you plant wine, will you get coffee, or if you plant coffee, will you get wine? No.
Wine produces wine and coffee produces coffee.

So what do i mean? let's take the same principle toward God. Our God said to us that he Got a son, no debate on that?
now the question will be do Son posses the same behaviour with the Father? Ok what is the behaviour of God? let's mention some of them,

1. he knows every thing
2. he can do everthing
3. nobody is better that God
4. Every thing is made by him
5. with out the permission of God, nothing is possible,
etc...

i mentioned some of the above behaviour of God, just to make you decide whether or not the Son posseses those property.
but i say to you, as a son to a father relation applies to every creature, this will apply for God too. But it is for your
sake i compare God with its creatures, for me it might be a sin. Any way if you can learn from it,it is good.

But again i say to you, as we say Yishak is the son of Abraham, and Yakob is the son of Yishak, we will not say Jesus is a son of God.
we say a Jesus is a son of God, it has a lot different meaning, forget that for now.

About the trinity concept, there is no 33% God, or there is no three God, But there is One God, one Faith, One baptist.
There is One God, which has three bodies,which is described as using the father, God thinks, using the Son God works(Speaks), and
using the Holy Sprit, God gives life.

What is three bodies mean?
take a sun.
there is one sun but it has three bodies,which is
a sun has a light
a sun has a heat
a sun has size, but we have one sun.

Finally, a son (Jesus) behaves every thing like his Father. and He is God.
but remember, the son is the beginning and the endings, Alpha and omega.( the revelation john)

let me ask you one thing. when do you think the beginning is? is there any beginning for God?

but saints describe the Beginning as, before every thing has been done.

Rocket, i know that syria is one of the Seven sister Ortodox church including my Country Ethiopia, but i don't know about
those staffs, or the lamsa version

Jesus is the true God.

Ryck · Lion King Joined: 05 Dec 2002 Posts: 1094

habeshaw · Growing Guppy Joined: 18 Jun 2008 Posts: 41

i have tried to show the meaning of Trinity, One God, and the authority of Jesus, etc... but you still do not get me. but whether you know it or not, mose, and all prophets write about Jesus, by the name of God.

I don't want to repeat what i described earlier in my post, but it might be a good idea to check my posts, and prepare answer for all descriptions, with an open heart.

but if you ever belive that Jesus lost atleast one authority that his Father posses, You are getting out of the christian faith and the love of God. But Pray.

Jesus says,'Belive in Me.' can you belive in him? i Belive in Him.

You mentioned because Jesus is the son, he is after the Father, you are totally wrong, totally. that is why it is difficult to understand the Words of God with just school education, since it has been written with sprit, we need to read and understand it with sprit, actually you need to learn by asking monks, if you can get them(here in Ethiopia, there are very very many monks, even their age exceeds the normal age of A human, like < 300 years , can you belive? may be one day you might come in ethiopia and see these yourself.) who forget everything for the sake of God.

Any way i told you that, when we say Jesus is the Son of God, we didn't mean like what the case when yakob is the son of Yishak, which means that Yishak is older than Yakob,No.

Now i want every christians in this forum say something
what their belive is.

Mattathias · Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:50 pm Post subject: Re: hi Ryck..

Rocket · House Cat Joined: 10 Dec 2006 Posts: 160

Mattathias.Amen to that. It is hard for me to comprehend how people can believe the nonsense they post on this site. It proves beyond any doubt they do not read the Bible, or if they read the Bible they don't understand what they've read.

Ryck · Lion King Joined: 05 Dec 2002 Posts: 1094

habeshaw · Growing Guppy Joined: 18 Jun 2008 Posts: 41

hi all Johovan's, i read some of your posts and see that you belive most of
christians, including me, talk what is not written in the bible.I doubt on that.
Any way I don't Care.

i think the problem of mis-understanding between us is because we talk about
much things and forget to answer all.

Ryck, now i want you to forget about the trinity concept for a while(cause some of the
concepts of the bible might be hard to understand for beginners, as Paul said, i Want
to give you meat, but you still a child and i gave you milk.)

Ryck, Mattias, Rocket, including All Johova's, now i will raise issues about Jesus and you will answer one by one, so that we might compromise.

Question 1: when is the first existence of Jesus? is Jesus were alive before his mother, or is He is 15 years younger than his Mother Vigin Mary? Make your answer is based on the Holy Bible.

Question 2: Do you belive the phrase mentioned on John 10:30? Jesus says " I and my Father are one." is this does not mean I am God?

Question 3: What do you belive the phrase mentioned on the revelation of John 22:13? Jesus says
"I am Alpha and Omega, the begining and the end, the first and the last." when do you think Jesus
refer the Beginning? When is the First? don't you think the above sentence might be a sin, if, as you belive,
Jesus is created by God? since we know that God is the beginning? Or is this sentence not existed in your Bible NIV version?

Question 4: Do you belive that Jesus can kill you and cure you or make you live in Hell or in heaven forever
with out the permission of any Body?

Question 5: Do you belive the creater of the world is God?

Ok, that is it for now, you might take your time to read the Bible again, Pray to
YEHWA to show you the truth, and to ask your elders.

And I ask you by the name of God, to don't write any false statements, or to don't answer
the questions with a negative thought.

But about myself, for whatever i posted, I Swear to God that i never lie or use Words which help me
support Ortodox Chritian(My Religion). And I will never lie, cause i am speaking about Jesus, who he is the Truth.

I look forward to your responses.

Jesus Says:
"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord
, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."
the revelation of John 1:8,

Mattathias · Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 5:52 am Post subject: Re: HI

Mattathias · Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 6:03 am Post subject: Re: HI

Ryck · Lion King Joined: 05 Dec 2002 Posts: 1094

Rocket · House Cat Joined: 10 Dec 2006 Posts: 160

i have tried to show the meaning of Trinity, One God, and the authority of Jesus, etc... but you still do not get me. but whether you know it or not, mose, and all prophets write about Jesus, by the name of God.

Where, maybe in your Bible but not in mine. Moses as with all the children of God believed in one God and His name is not Yeshua or Jesus!

The other questions I have been asked more times then I care to say. The one where Jesus said before Abraham I Am, simply tells us that God placed Him ahead of Abraham in His Hiarchy, it is not saying Jesus was in heaven before He was born. Hebrews chapter 8 verse 7

Days are coming says the Lord, whin I will make a new covenant with the ouse of Israel and with the house of Judah.
It will not be like the covenant I amde with their fathers
the day I took them by the hand to lead them forth from the land of Egypt; For they broke my covenant and I grew weary of them says the Lord. etc.

I can't remember the rest of the questions and I can't go
back without losing what I wrote.

I know that nowhere in the Bible does it tell us there is a trinity for belief in trinities was only for Pagans.

The church has always neglected to teach Jesus was a Jew. Jews do not believe in trinities.