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Joebob787
Rattlesnake
Joined: 26 May 2008
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Location: Nj
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 Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:14 am Post subject: |
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I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior 7 years ago. I had never heard of the trinity or anything about it. I know believe in the trinity. Did i lose my salvation?
How does one Become saved Bro Steve Winter? Please answer this.
Show me a verse in the Bible where it says if you believe in God the father, God the Son, and God the Holy spirit you will go to hell. Please Show me.
And while your at it, Please explain
Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, [b] Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
And Did you Read the rest of Warfield's Definition? |
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TBax
King of the Jungle
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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Joebob,
Do you even know a verse that says "God the Son"???
Or "God the Holy Spirit"??? |
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Joebob787
Rattlesnake
Joined: 26 May 2008
Posts: 435
Location: Nj
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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do you know TBax any verse that says
Believing in the Trinity is going to make you go to hell?
And no, there is no such verse that says God the son and God the Holy spirit. But from my other post, i have proved that YHWH, Jesus, and the holy spirit all have called themselves or have been referred to as God |
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Joebob787
Rattlesnake
Joined: 26 May 2008
Posts: 435
Location: Nj
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Ok Bro. steve, How does one get Salavation?(according to you) |
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TBax
King of the Jungle
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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Joebob,
| Joebob wrote: | do you know TBax any verse that says
Believing in the Trinity is going to make you go to hell? |
No. I also know of no verse that says "we shouldn't look at pornography". I also know of no verse that says "we aren't to get drunk off of vodka". If you need things to be spelled out for you, that is pretty sad.  What did Jesus say?
John 17:3 This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.
Wouldn't you assume this would mean accurate knowledge from the Bible and not just any made up fictional knowledge.
| Joebob wrote: | | But from my other post, i have proved that YHWH, Jesus, and the holy spirit all have called themselves or have been referred to as God |
So? So was Moses. So are the angels. So were the kings and judges of Israel. Who did the apostles serve as God though?
1 Cor 8:6 there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and we through him. |
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Joebob787
Rattlesnake
Joined: 26 May 2008
Posts: 435
Location: Nj
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="TBax"]Joebob,
[quote="Joebob"]do you know TBax any verse that says
Believing in the Trinity is going to make you go to hell? [/quote]
No. I also know of no verse that says "we shouldn't look at pornography". I also know of no verse that says "we aren't to get drunk off of vodka". If you need things to be spelled out for you, that is pretty sad. What did Jesus say?[quote]
Pornography= Lusting.
Getting drunk is the sin, not drinking.
Let me rephrase my question.
Where in the Bible does it say believing in things like the Trinity(im not saying the trinity but something along those lines) is a sin?
I was saved when i was 7 years old. I learned about the trinity when i was about 11/12.(on't rememver exact year) Did i lose my salvation? |
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TBax
King of the Jungle
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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Joebob,
You are correct about pornography and getting drunk, the specifics aren't spelled out but the principles are there.  Same with God.
Now read this:
John 17:3 This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.
And answer this:
Wouldn't you assume this would mean accurate knowledge from the Bible and not just any made up fictional knowledge?
Do you believe you can take in any kind of knowledge of God, including fictional, and receive everlasting life?
| Joebob wrote: | | Where in the Bible does it say believing in things like the Trinity(im not saying the trinity but something along those lines) is a sin? |
Regarding the God we are to worship:
Isa 43:5 I am Jehovah, and there is no one else. With the exception of me there is no God.
Taking a pagan doctrine and adding God, the Father, to it doesn't make it right, and is by definition a sin. When the Israelites took a golden calf and placed God's name on it that wasn't pleasing to God and He wanted to wipe them out. 
| Joebob wrote: | | I was saved when i was 7 years old. I learned about the trinity when i was about 11/12.(on't rememver exact year) Did i lose my salvation? |
I don't know what you are saying. You need to endure to the end in order to be saved. If basic concepts found in the Bible are denied by you why would you think you are saved?
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ragman13
Fierce Poodle
Joined: 07 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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Bro Steve...
Every time you have defined the Trinity you have done so incorrectly even after someone laid it out for you.
Trinity= One God! That is One Being
Trinity= Three coequal Persons in that ONE BEING
You say that God is sometimes the Father, sometimes the Son, and sometimes the Holy Spirit?
Other than the account of Jesus Baptism where all 3 were present at the same time there is also
Malachi 3:6
"For I, the LORD, do not change; therefore you, O sons of Jacob, are not consumed. |
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Bro. Steve Winter
Big Guppy
Joined: 04 Jun 2008
Posts: 49
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| pastor2022 wrote: | Bro. Steve Winter Wrote:
| Quote: | | There are mysteries in the Bible. I believe that is referring to the flesh and Spirit of God manifest in the flesh. Jesus as man became weary in a ship, that same Jesus, as God the Father calmed the storm. |
When Trinitarians say that the Trinity is a "mystery," Oneness condemn them for saying that. Now you're saying that there are "mysteries" in the Bible. Where's the consistency? |
One need not understand every mystery of the Bible to know that Jesus Christ is God.
I do have a study about Mystery trinity that I will share with you.
Actually I have noticed that the trinitarian will say they believe different things that happen to suit their whim and fancy. Since their doctrine is man made, that is easy for them to do. Then other false christians will join in agreement a la "The Emperor's New Clothes" style.
I can actually reveal to you the secrets of the mystery of the trinity.
Some of the more honest of the trinitarians admit that their religion is really a mystery religion that they have no hope of understanding.
Well let me shed some light about the mystery trinity religion and why they labor so hard to undermine the importance of Jesus name baptism.
Most of the false christian churches are harlot daughters of the RCC. That is another reason that no one can be saved in a trinity church.
Revelation 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great *One Who Practices the World's Oldest Profession* that sitteth upon many waters:
The RCC "sitteth on many waters", she is international.
Revelation 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
Catholic "indulgences" and false religion have made many "drunk" with her false religion.
Revelation 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the
wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
The "beast" is the economic community that the "*One Who Practices the World's Oldest Profession*" (the RCC) rides on. The nations support the Vatican.
Revelation 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
The pomp and jewelry and scarlet robes of the RCC.
Revelation 17:5 And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
The RCC is the mother of all of the trinity denomintations. Just as the earthly harlot sees no need to take the name of a husband, these spiritual whores reject Jesus name baptism.
Revelation 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
No organization has murdered (as "heretics") so many real Apostolic Christians as the Roman Catholic Church! History knows no other possible organization than the RCC to fit verse Rev 17:6.
The trinitarians are worshiping a mystery religion all right, but much more than they realize, they are the harlot daughters of Mystery Babylon herself.
Revelation 17:5 And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Trinity denominations are harlot daughters of Mystery Babylon. Some are honest enough to declare that they worship a mystery "three persons" that are three yet one, but are really three, or maybe one or maybe three....ah but it's a "mystery"....
Don't join the mystery harlots in hell. Repent and come out from
among them. Don't let your pride hold you in the filthy sewer of
some *mystery* three god denominal cult.
2 Cor 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
2 Cor 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
2 Cor 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
Come out of the sewer of *mystery* Babylon and her trinity.
Bro. Steve Winter http://www.TheTruthOfTheBible.com |
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Bro. Steve Winter
Big Guppy
Joined: 04 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| ragman13 wrote: | Bro Steve...
Every time you have defined the Trinity you have done so incorrectly even after someone laid it out for you.
Trinity= One God! That is One Being
Trinity= Three coequal Persons in that ONE BEING
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That is foolishness. Teaching one "committee" is NOT the same as teaching one god!
You polytheists stumble all over yourselves trying to be monotheistic while you try to justify your polytheism.
Bro. Winter |
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Bro. Steve Winter
Big Guppy
Joined: 04 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Joebob787 wrote: |
Show me a verse in the Bible where it says if you believe in God the father, God the Son, and God the Holy spirit you will go to hell. Please Show me.
And while your at it, Please explain
Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, [b] Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. |
Er... your Bible verse says that Jesus is the Father. You just slaughtered your own sacred cow and posted a verse that proves the trinity is a lie.
Regarding why no trinitarian will be saved I do have a study for you (of course heresy like trinitarianism would send even a real Christian to hell).
I will explain in this brief post why every trinitarian will die in their sins and spend eternity in a devils' hell. I do this not to condemn souls, because the trinitarian is condemned already, but to warn of the fires of hell.
Jude 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire;
hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
Remission of sins is essential for sinful humanity to be "sin free". The word "salvation" means free from sin.
In Acts 2:38 we see that sins are remitted (washed away) by
Jesus name baptism. Now the trinitarian is not really worshiping
the Jesus of the Bible, so they see no need to be baptised in
Jesus name (even though the Bible clearly commands it). They
think that their three gods need three separate "titles" in
baptism.
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
This is because Jesus is the Great "I AM" of the Bible. His name is the ONLY saving name.
Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
So, you see, trinity preachers really are deceiving people into hell. We don't just say that to be mean, but rather in the service of truth.
Both of the following statements were spoken by the same person:
Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily , verily, I say unto you,
Before Abraham was, I am.
Now the false-christian will not accept that Jesus is "I AM". They
"don't believe". They are "non-believers".
That is why Jesus said that those who would not accept that He really was the "I AM" would die in their sins.
1. Those who do not see Jesus as "I AM" see no need to be baptised in the name of Jesus.
John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
2. Sins are remitted by Jesus name baptism.
Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
3. Those who don't believe in Jesus will refuse Jesus name
baptism and will die with their sins UN-REMITTED.
1 Timothy 5:24 Some men’s sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some men they follow after.
That is why Jesus said:
John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your
sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but
he that believeth not shall be damned.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Sins are washed away by Jesus name baptism. That is why the Bible commands it, so you can "put on Christ".
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ
have put on Christ.
Trinitarians are deceived by their Satanic false preachers into refusing to "put on Christ".
Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his
name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Acts 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism
of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe
on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Acts 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
What did the people do immediately when Paul told them to believe on Jesus?
Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized,
and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Acts 8:34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
Notice how the eunuch understood that believing on Jesus included being baptised. You now have several examples from the Word of God where hearers of the Word of God knew that belief in Jesus included baptism.
Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
Even on the day of Pentecost, on the birthday of the New Testament Church, there were 3000 baptised in Jesus Name. Those that receive the Word of God get baptised.
Look back just two verses and see that Peter preached Jesus Name baptism.
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Bro. Steve Winter http://www.TheTruthOfTheBible.com |
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james
Bear Cub
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Bro. Steve Winter wrote: | | james wrote: | Bro Steve,
Maybe you can answer this, why in Mark 13:32 does Jesus say " But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, NEITHER THE SON, but the Father." When talking about the end time Jesus seems to say that He does not know what day or hour it will happen, and that only the Father knows. |
There are mysteries in the Bible. I believe that is referring to the flesh and Spirit of God manifest in the flesh. Jesus as man became weary in a ship, that same Jesus, as God the Father calmed the storm.
That verse does not justify idolatry and polytheism. God will not accept someone misunderstanding that verse as an excuse for rejecting Christ.
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I never said it did justify idolatry and polytheism. I also do believe God is a person, as denoted in Matt 28:19 and Acts 2:38; Col 2:9; and Heb 1:1-3 and not defined as a trinity of persons. I also know scripture defines scripture and I have no answer when asked about Mark 13:32 by my friends who are trinitarians. |
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Dust
Growing Lion
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Location: All over the western U.S.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Maybe you can answer this, why in Mark 13:32 does Jesus say " But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, NEITHER THE SON, but the Father." When talking about the end time Jesus seems to say that He does not know what day or hour it will happen, and that only the Father knows. |
I'll take a shot at.......'maybe'.
The Son is all that is knowable of God, and declares things of the Father as well. That which is as-of-yet unknown and/or unknowable of God resides with the Father. Thus the day and hour in question has not yet been made known or knowable (at least at the time of the writing) and resides only with the Father. |
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ragman13
Fierce Poodle
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:27 am Post subject: |
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You missed this part of the post ohh brother steve.
You say that God is sometimes the Father, sometimes the Son, and sometimes the Holy Spirit?
Other than the account of Jesus Baptism where all 3 were present at the same time there is also
Malachi 3:6
"For I, the LORD, do not change; therefore you, O sons of Jacob, are not consumed.
Can you explain how your system of false religion works when you come across passages like the one above |
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Bro. Steve Winter
Big Guppy
Joined: 04 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:12 am Post subject: |
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| ragman13 wrote: | You missed this part of the post ohh brother steve.
You say that God is sometimes the Father, sometimes the Son, and sometimes the Holy Spirit?
Other than the account of Jesus Baptism where all 3 were present at the same time there is also
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It is good when false-christian filth openly admit their polytheism.
Do the false-christian scum really believe that people will actually be lost for obeying the Bible while they will somehow be saved in their polytheism and disobediance? Can the false-christian polytheists really be so blind in their pride that they think that the teaching of obedience to the Bible is a false religion?
From the misquote above of what I am teaching, I fear that I am trying to explain diamonds to a dog, or should I say casting pearls before swine.
Bro. Winter |
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