Judge not!

Nobby · Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 8:26 pm Post subject: Yea!

Your right Smilin' Jack it worked, good link, Wink

Smilin' Jacks · Pit Bull Joined: 18 Feb 2004 Posts: 354

Smilin' Jacks · Pit Bull Joined: 18 Feb 2004 Posts: 354

Da Blonde Bombshell · Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2004 2:44 pm Post subject:

Van · Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2004 3:15 pm Post subject:

In the last post DBB ascribed to her opponents ulterior motives, saying we speak of homosexual behavior, when we really are bigoted toward the individuals caught in this nasty habit. There is no content, just shooting the messengers again and again. I have very carefully addressed this in several posts, the behavior is sin, the bible says do not do it. The Bible does not address the condition of being born with a same sex sexual orientation. (And no one knows if such a condition contributes significantly to the behavior or whether it is a myth created to justify the behavior. Ron's post demonstrates that nurture plays a significant role.) But rather than deal with this subject factually, she is allowed to attack the character of those holding biblical views. Seems strange to me.

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Van · Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 4:20 pm Post subject:

In the last post of DBB, she ascribed to her opponents ulterior motives, saying we speak of homosexual behavior, when we really are bigoted toward the individuals caught in this nasty habit. There is no content, just shooting the messengers again and again. I have very carefully addressed this in several posts, the behavior is sin, the bible says do not do it. The Bible does not address the condition of being born with a same sex sexual orientation. (And no one knows if such a condition contributes significantly to the behavior or whether it is a myth created to justify the behavior. Ron's post demonstrates that nurture plays a significant role.) But rather than deal with this subject factually, she is allowed to attack the character of those holding biblical views. Seems strange to me.

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 6845 Location: USA

What is even more strange is that the idea of nature is still being promoted as a viable cause to accept orientation, when scripture clearly tells us that nature is disordered and that God gave us up to our iniquitous nature.

Just becasue someone was 'born' homosexually oriented does not mean that it is acceptable to God. We all were born in sin - that makes us unacceptable to God. It is a fact of our existence.

If I am a bigot because I say that the bible says homosexuality is a sin, then so be it. I would rather beleive in the truth of scripture and be labeled by man as something unappealing to man, than to be accepted by man and rejected by God.

Van · Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 9:28 am Post subject:

RevJp, we do not see eye to eye here. The distinction needs to be made with the term homosexuality. Proponents of the gay agenda use this term to mean those born gay, just as some people are born black or white in skin tone. I do not accept this premise, it might be true, but we do not know. The Bible only addresses the behavior, not the purported condition.
You use the term homosexual as the gay agenda folks do, accepting that people are born that way, just a product of nature, and then say that just because someone is born gay does not justify sinful behavior. Two very different views.

So which I say someone is a homosexual, I mean he or she engages in homosexual behavior, just as when I say someone is a plumber, I mean someone who engages in plumbing. When you say homosexual, you mean someone who is compelled by nature, due to biological differences not yet identified, to be attracted to the same sex. Two very different view.

There are tests to determine sexual preference. On a scale of 1 to 100, with 100 being totally attracted to the same sex, and 1 being totally attracted to the opposite sex, people fall within a range. Those that score over about 60 primarily engage in homosexual activity, those who score below 40 primarily engage in heterosexual activity and those inbetween often engage in both activities. So the fact is that some people are predisposed, whether by nature or nurture, to engage in characteristic behavior. Those that score in the middle are the ones that have great difficulty with their sexual orintation, and sometimes are depressed or exhibit self loathing.

This is a very complex subject and quick answers, oh he is homophobic or a bigot, do not help in the search for the truth.

Da Blonde Bombshell · Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 3:56 pm Post subject:

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Eddy Tiner · Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 4:24 pm Post subject:

I have a couple of questions to add to this (already quite long) discussion.

DBB, you frequently refer to LGBT in your posts, and I believe that refers to lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender. Right? Since you choose to lump these together, is it safe to assume you consider them morally "equal"?

Considering bisexual, the term implies a person with a minimum of two sexual partners. Is it your contention that such a relationship would meet with God's blessing today?

And what is transgender? Sincerely; it's not in my dictionary. Is this someone who has had a sex-change operation?