Lining up with the New and Old Testament

Adam_Love

(This is for Brother John, and anyone else who would like to join in on the discussion. The subject started in another thread.)

I hold that nothing can line up with both the New and Old Testament without contradiction, mainly because the NT and OT contradict each other, and have a great many of their own contradictions.

Adam_Love · Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:11 am Post subject:

The Bible starts off with contradictions. In Chapter one of Genesis, the order of creation is given. In Chapter two, a different order is given.

Genesis 1: plants, then sea creatures and birds, then land animals, then man and woman (together).

Genesis 2 : man, then plants, then land animals and birds, then woman.

The Old Testament contradicts itself. I fail to to see how this is not a plain and simple fact.

Adam_Love · Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:25 am Post subject:

The New Testament gives us two different explanations as to how Judas died.

In Matthew, Judas dies by hanging himself. (27:5)

In Acts, Judas dies by falling down and having his guts burst out. (1:18)

Which verse is reporting the truth?

The New Testament contradicts itself. I fail to to see how this is not a plain and simple fact.

JB · Cobra Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 490

Adam Love
You ask which one is true. They both are. If you were to study the Geography of where Judas hung himself, you would be looking at a tree that draped over a sharp stoney valley. When he hung himself, after a period of time the rope broke and he fell against the sharp rocks from a distance and his guts burst out. Also there are other writing in which this is verified.

Adam_Love · Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:44 am Post subject:

In the Old testament, the laws were to be followed, and were to last forever.

"It shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations."

"And ye shall observe this thing for an ordinance to thee and to thy sons for ever."

"Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations"

but in the New Testament, it says that Jesus came to end those laws:

"We are delivered from the law"

"Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."

"Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law."

"Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster."

The Old Testament contradicts the New Testament.
Again, I fail to to see how this is not a plain and simple fact.

Adam_Love · Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:09 am Post subject:

There are hundreds of contradictions within the Bible.

This is a convenient link:

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_name.html

Many of these contradictions are just mistakes with ages, family relations, and things like that. No big deal.

But the ones dealing with significant historical events, laws, morals, facts about God and Jesus, and things like that, those have a huge impact. Like this one:

Adam_Love · Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:30 am Post subject:

Adam_Love · Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:45 am Post subject:

Here's one more:

Jesus says that he is giving peace.

Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you.
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. -(John 14:27,16:33)

But then Jesus says that he is not giving peace:

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:

(Matthew 10:34, Luke 12:51)

45degreeN · Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 6:34 am Post subject:

So we have another skeptic here...

Well those are only contradictions to those who dont dig deeper and try and understand them. Truth is paradoxical. just to trap those skeptics.

I dont supposed you've ever studied western Mystical traditions, have you? They are the essence of paradox, yet bring the truth of God down to the human level.

Skeptics are left outside in discussions like these because they have nothing to contribute. Being a believer is the first key to entry into the most profound and glorious experiences humans can ever have and skeptics need not apply.

FFT · Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 6:56 am Post subject:

So it's all some test to prevent rational people from joining the club?

Really?

trettep · Lion Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Posts: 910

So really if we can apply the same motive of the Skeptics Annotated Bible to itself we could therefore also conclude the Skeptics Annotated Bible (SAB) as being irrelevant, correct? Merely find one thing not contradicting that the SAB says is a contradiction and we sink the whole relevancy of the SAB? If you say no, then how can we sink the relevancy of the Holy Bible?

Paul

JB · Cobra Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 490

45,
Out of curiosity, what is your take on Adam love's feelings about the apparent contradiction or paradox, on peace.
Maybe your thoughts could help him.

45degreeN · Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 10:21 am Post subject:

Can the "Prince of Peace" bring a sword?

God's peace is "cessation of againstness" God no long seeks to fighting against us but rather the sin in us. But there will always be those who, living according to the world's ways, prefer to reject the gospel and live according to their own counsel. That's hardly paradoxical.

Try this for paradox:

God is ineffable, nothing we say or do will ever accurately explain who God is in His altogether completeness, words simply refuse to be precise enough. However God Himself chose to use words to communicate with us. That's paradoxical!

trettep · Lion Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Posts: 910

JB · Cobra Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 490

45,
Good answer. John Wesley once said, "when someone seems to think that there is a contradiction in the scriptures, that paradox, if solved, leads them to a deeper truth. It wasn't a paradox for you, but it was for Adam.
I genuinely liked that answer. Thanks.

JB