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JB
Young Wolf
Joined: 16 Feb 2008
Posts: 516
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HeKkler,
Unfortunately, you didn't recognize that the post I provided on the NIV was done by a Christian Biblical research organization and not myself. But maybe you should have read it. Instead of criticize it. But hey you are the HeKkler. What can I say. If you rely on paraphrase versions of the Scriptures, then that explains much of the confusion that you are experiencing.
By the Way. I study, the NASB, NKJV, DR, RSV, ASV Kittels Greek Word studies, Wuest Greek Word STudies expanded Bible and the ESV. Once in a while I even read Thayers, works and Oh yea the LXX Old Testament. |
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JB
Young Wolf
Joined: 16 Feb 2008
Posts: 516
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| Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:42 am Post subject: |
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HeKkLer,
Do you have any thing constructive to offer to this forum? I mean there has to be something inside of you that could be used to help others. |
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HeKkLeR
King Kong
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Posts: 2277
Location: Europe
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| Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 5:37 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | HeKkLer,
Do you have any thing constructive to offer to this forum? |
Uhh... I dont know. Why don't you ask around?
But I do thank God Almighty that a lunatic like yourself is surely not my judge.  |
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Yehushuan
King Kong
Joined: 30 Mar 2006
Posts: 2465
Location: Charismatic
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| Zathrus wrote: | | I think the books of the new testament are authenticated well enough that I can believe that. But I didn't see it. It makes me wonder whether it's that important to God that I did. Maybe what He did, He did, and what we think about it or understand (or misunderstand) about it is not that important. |
Well then there would be no substantive reason to command others to believe or become disciples.
| Zathrus wrote: | | it's become clear to me that there are teachings out there that make absolutely no sense, but if they're heard repeated often enough, they begin to make perfect sense to people. |
Sad situation isn’t it? Especially when supposed believers retreat to emotional knee jerk reactions and pretend their personality conflicts are the result of doctrinal “honesty.”
| Zathrus wrote: | | After taking some steps back and looking at things I'd been taught, they didn't add up so perfectly as they seemed to before. |
Different pathway, similar result. My questions started from realizing what was actually written in the Greek didn’t line up with preachings interpreted from the KJV.
| Zathrus wrote: | | Apocalypse in 9/8 from "Supper's Ready" - Genesis. |
I stand impressed.
Yehu |
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Yehushuan
King Kong
Joined: 30 Mar 2006
Posts: 2465
Location: Charismatic
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| Ana wrote: | | Yehu. I'd like to hear more about what you have to say about it, |
Thanks Ana. I had run into several other “conspiracy” mongers before, including the Zeitgeist movie. But all had defects and misrepresentation. The link I posted affected me more so because it framed intelligent questions surrounding established facts, rather than trying to fling out bizarre theories.
Zeitgeist has significant factual errors in its others segments, and the 911 section is not well presented. Same with loose change, etc. But as I said, the link got me started on my own investigation, and I’ve arrived at the conclusion that 911 was a US covert military operation intended to provide an excuse to invade Iraq.
It’s not that there’s one smoking gun, but several overwhelming smoking guns. Yet I stand convinced that one has to wade through the particulars (and even the conspiracy errors) on their own before one will permit themselves correct and rational belief. Just as with religion there are people on both sides of the 911 issue spouting without brains (relying instead on their amygdala to do their thinking).
Even Nova (the PBS science show) had to retract their original explanation of why the towers fell and now say they don’t know.
My summation is that the Saudi government had appealed unsuccessfully to Clinton with concerns over the Shiite Sunni war that was about to blow up their country, and Bush was only too happy to provide Iraq as the new venue. We achieved the US agenda perfectly, taking the pressure out of Saudi Arabia and letting the Muslims kill each other over in Iraq. This will get worse and become nearly permanent when we pull out of Iraq in the next presidency.
The best thing I can say, however, is that you’ve got to dig into the details for yourself.
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Yehushuan
King Kong
Joined: 30 Mar 2006
Posts: 2465
Location: Charismatic
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| Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:49 am Post subject: |
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| 45degreeN wrote: | | The big hole in this conspiracy is this total lack of credibility. |
The big hole in your post is that you never did any real background research, did you?
Your dismissive questions are so effused with fallacies that I’m surprised to find the name 45degreeN attached to them.
Have you ever personally met any covert-operatives? The few insane Navy Seals I’ve personally met leave me with no doubt that we have numerous soldiers that wouldn’t bat an eyelash at necessary collateral damage (i.e. kill the civilians on purpose).
| 45degreeN wrote: | | In this country it is extremely hard to keep facts like these from coming to light. |
Well then YOU go get the video from the various hotels and cameras around the Pentagon.
Yehushuan |
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Yehushuan
King Kong
Joined: 30 Mar 2006
Posts: 2465
Location: Charismatic
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| JimD wrote: | | This is a perfect example of the egotistical drivel that makes a lot of us hope your hiatus is nice and long, (drooling over your absence, my foot). If you don't get rid of this attitude, I hope your hiatus is permanent. I will pray that God will send you back to us, free of this sickening defect of character. |
Jim, if you could rub two thoughts together and get a spark of sentience I’d be most happy to discuss any topic that bothers you.
But you see; that’s the problem. It BOTHERS you. You rely upon your emotional feelings for your beliefs, and then are automatically sucked into personality conflict when you find yourself unable to respond logically. Since you’re unable to attack the facts and the logic of my arguments (thereby defending your false beliefs), you are left with either attacking me or changing yourself (and God forbid THAT should happen). Your very post is evidence of your own drooling, and your blindness to it.
It’s a wonder you’ve been able to learn anything at all.
| JimD wrote: | | The word of God is not the literal word (I can't believe I am using that detestable word) |
And just which one is detestable? Literal? Word? or God?
| JimD wrote: | | Before this happens it is just ink on paper. |
And your God is so small that it needs to be ink on paper first? And cannot come from anywhere else?
| JimD wrote: | | Didn't I say I am praying for him? I do think he has much to offer but part of love is being honest. I do not believe in patronizing someone who should know how I see them. |
And I repeat:
You seem to make the same mistake as Hekkler that spouting verbal abuse is honest rebuke. As if I care about what you think of me. As if anyone should care about what YOU think of them. And you call me egotistical?
It will be better for you to Not pray for me. If you do, you will fall into the hands of a living God. Remember this.
Yehushuan
PS: Now if you truly have any concern for me. I would ask that you look up the definition of the word egotistical and send me a PM with BOTH your working definition and various quotes from my posts that support your accusation. (But I stand ABSOLUTELY confident that you won’t do this.) |
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HeKkLeR
King Kong
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Posts: 2277
Location: Europe
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| Yehu wrote: | | You seem to make the same mistake as Hekkler that spouting verbal abuse is honest rebuke. |
Quote it, false prophet. |
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FFT
Emperor of the Galaxy
Joined: 26 Mar 2005
Posts: 5887
Location: Memphis
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| Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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| HeKkLeR wrote: | | Yehushuan wrote: | | You seem to make the same mistake as Hekkler that spouting verbal abuse is honest rebuke. |
Quote it, false prophet. |
| HeKkLeR wrote: | JB,
thank you very much for all of that garbage that you included in your last post. Unfortunately, I did not get past the 8th line. |
And that took me maybe 10 seconds to find.
A lot of people have brought this criticism against you over the years. You might consider giving it some thought. |
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JimD
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Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Posts: 439
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| Quote: | Yehushuan Said:
PS: Now if you truly have any concern for me. I would ask that you look up the definition of the word egotistical and send me a PM with BOTH your working definition and various quotes from my posts that support your accusation. (But I stand ABSOLUTELY confident that you won’t do this.) |
There is no need to, everyone knows the definition of egotistical, and all of your posts speak loudly of your problem, and yes I know, I have problems too. You can pray for me, if you will. |
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HeKkLeR
King Kong
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
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Location: Europe
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FFT,
So, calling a bunch of propaganda "garbage" qualifies as "verbal abuse" or does it qualify as "honest rebuke"?
Pull yourself together, hypocrite. Good Lord!  |
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JB
Young Wolf
Joined: 16 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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Hey heckle,
are you interested in learning or arguing?
Your Buddy JB |
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HeKkLeR
King Kong
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Posts: 2277
Location: Europe
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| Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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JB,
the only thing I could learn from you, is how to squash my temper when talking to those unlearned in God's word... by squashing my temper while talking with you.
I would surely argue with you about anything written in God's word that you would like to argue about, for you know very little and boast a lot.
Go ahead. Pick a topic for us to debate on, and we can take it to the "One on One" forum, where no one can help you cover the truth. I beg you.
It is very humorous to me, though, that you outright attacked me with insults and the like... right after I showed where God's word calls your little theories, all lies.
It makes me wonder truly... who are you really hostile against... the messenger, or the word? |
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JB
Young Wolf
Joined: 16 Feb 2008
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HekKler,
How about the doctrine of the Imag Dei for starters and then creatio ex Nilio and if you would like to have this debate, you are not allowed to use any texts other than the scriptures. I trust that you are honest enough to do that. |
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HeKkLeR
King Kong
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Posts: 2277
Location: Europe
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Whatever.
You bring your doctrine, and I bring the word of my God.
You make the opening statements, and God's word will either credit or discredit them. Somehow... I think the latter.
But no prophesying right now. If you knew anything about me, you would not waste your time in writing for me to use Scripture only.
Bring it...
PS - Will you be using scripture only, also? Or is that a rule just for me? |
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