Who will be McCain's running mate

45degreeN · Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:31 am Post subject:

I agree but there is no logical reason why they might not exist.

Pondering · Lion King Joined: 15 Sep 2005 Posts: 1263

I don't want to go to lengthy here...but in response to P#s points...

When the Republican party was formed, a major plank in their platform was that they'd abolish slavery. MLK Jr was a registered Republican.

P1234567890 · Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:17 pm Post subject:

45degreeN · Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:31 am Post subject:

Pondering probably equated the republican party of today with the Neo-cons who think they are an original manifestation of conservatism. While working diligently for the New Roman (I mean American) empire they are hardly conservative in the foreign relations arena where they are military interventionists in every possible way.

We really need to get back to W.F. Buckley's form of conservatism to identify a modern and genuine form of conservatism.

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 6661 Location: USA

P1234567890 · Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:30 am Post subject:

The terms 'liberal' and 'conservative' don't even make any sense.

Modern conservatives in America are completely liberal when it comes to plundering the environment for profit, going to war, giving out corporate welfare, ignoring the Geneva Conventions, rolling back civil rights, etc., etc.

Similarly, liberals are conservative on the environment, more conservative on going to war, etc., etc.

The terminology is just stupid. People should stop using the terms 'conservative' and 'liberal'. We should call them 'the people trying to wreck the country', and 'the ineffectual fools who don't seem to be able to stop them'. Those are much more accurate descriptions.

Pondering · Lion King Joined: 15 Sep 2005 Posts: 1263

45degreeN · Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:55 am Post subject:

P123's point is an old one.. the limitations of labels, and the inability to paint things black and white. As long as we retain the context then we can continue to communicate.

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 6661 Location: USA

Pete · Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 10:34 am Post subject:

Who will be McCain's running mate?

If Obama wins the Democratic nomination, you can bet that Condolezza Rice will be McCain's choice for VP. Well, regardless, she'll be the choice, since she is black and a female, the Republicans will have covered both bases. That's all that counts in the next election. It is all that counts for getting votes.

Domestic, and foreign policy? Forget it, black and female voters is where it's at.

If McCain wins, and dies in office, we'll have a first in both departments, a black, female President. If McCain doesn't die, She'll still be the next Prez. Mcain, at his age, can't possibly have a chance of being relected to a second term.

45degreeN · Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 1:22 pm Post subject:

Condolezza Rice has denied she is interested, but still anything is possible given this years election. It would be a big step DOWN for her. She started out as an operative in the National security field and used that experience while she was a Secretary of State. None of that prepares her for the 'do nothing' slot as VP.

P1234567890 · Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 1:25 pm Post subject:

You're neglecting to calculate one teeny tiny little variable: She's completely unelectable because her name has forever been tarnished by her role in the Bush administration.

No way in hell is America going to elect anyone who even remotely resembles a Neocon this time around. Choosing her as a running mate would be political suicide.

Pete · Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:44 pm Post subject:

It's the road to the White house, and voters have very short memories. Most young voters, black, white, male and female, will decide who is elected, and they don't have a clue about the real issues.

The big sticker for Republicans will be the economic trend between now and election time.

On the other hand, the Democrats may (will) come up with the same kind of ticket. Obama/Clinton, and that will be a real fiasco. Either way, this country is going down the toilet.

P1234567890 · Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:45 pm Post subject:

45degreeN · Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 6:48 am Post subject:

McCain in his attempt to retain his core of conservatives just might ask Condi to join him. I'm sure he wont see it as disastrous as you see it.

He seems to be going back and forth from his own 'non' position on issues to the NEO con hoping to secure his base yet keeping true to the compromiser he is on most issues. Aside from his war stance there just isn't any there there, he is not an ideologue like Bush/Rove and if you take the war away from his position he is a nothing