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HeKkLeR
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| MoJo wrote: | | Lately, I have had some thoughts on the disappearing acts of some. If we truly believe we are a family and kin in the body of Christ, why would we just leave without a word to our family members? We wouldn't do it to our flesh and blood kin. So, it cuts two ways. There are those who really do consider us a cyber family and those who form no true attachment and to them we are just faceless names for awhile. And I had this thought about you, Yehu, and others who have suddenly disappeared. So, at times communications do break down all the way around. |
Hmmm...
Now, how could I not take offense at such a statement? I had absolutely no idea that if someone must, or decides, to take a break from the boards, that they must request a report of absence with anyone here, or be looked at as 'absent without leave', and be given the 'ol evil eye.
Wow. And to think that the bible has a story in it about the son who was lost, but then was found, and how rejoicing and celebration was in order. Oh yeah... and how the one who gave the evil eye about the situation was admonished.
Did I say it was a story? Forgive me... it was a parable... told by Jesus Christ.
Somehow, I think there is a moral embedded in there... somewhere...
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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Hi HeKkLeR, nobody is saying that you have to tell us if you want to leave the board for a while. But you are missed. I think I told that you were missed when you came back this last time.
Well I truly ment that. 
I believe that is what MoJo is saying!
God Bless you bro.,
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HeKkLeR
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| Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:49 am Post subject: |
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Hey Nobby.
Oh... I know that you always are very warm and welcoming when I turn back up on the boards. May God surely bless you for your kindness, brother! And I have absolutely no concern about your sincerity, as I hope you have none about mine.
It is just that as I read MoJo's words (in the quote that I left from her), the hairs on the back of my neck stood up, as if I could possibly be centered in someone's crosshairs. 
A rush to judgment is always a terrible thing without knowing all of the facts. I know that God's word confirms this.
Since we mostly know each other as a user name and avatar... and deduct personalities to fit those user names and avatars only from the various typed conversations that we have on this (these?) board(s), it is truly unfair to insinuate any knowledge of each other's personal lives, or to selfishly construct the motives of others' being away from the boards, be it for one week or one year.
It is not always easy, in this life that we live and struggle in, for everyone to be able to come to these boards as much as we may want to. Or perhaps we may feel that we need a break to pursue personal goals, be they spiritual and/or emotional or whatever.
But it pains me to see that some may view the absence of some members as a negative thing, and miss entirely the chance to show the love that we have for them positively. Or something like that.
For example, since he is part of this thread, and people have been dropping names at will... I'll choose to use Yehu. Yehu and I have had some very... uhh... interesting and at times... rough... debates in the past. But only a day or so before Yehu showed back up after his absence, I was wondering what had become of him. I actually missed the guy. And when he popped up a day or so later, I was very glad to welcome him back sincerely.
But oh well. People are people, I guess. Stay being you, Nobby. You brighten dark days, bro.
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MoJo
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| Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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Yeesh! I think people go out of their way to misunderstand people and find offence. 
| Hekkler wrote: | | it is truly unfair to insinuate any knowledge of each other's personal lives, or to selfishly construct the motives of others' being away from the boards, be it for one week or one year. |
| MoJo wrote: | | If we truly believe we are a family and kin in the body of Christ, why would we just leave without a word to our family members? |
Where on earth did I construct motives or insinuate any knowledge? I never said the slightest thing about people's personal lives or insinuate why they may have to leave. All I suggested was that if a person considers themselves to be part of the cyber family or community called bible discussion why wouldn't they say "goodbye" or "I'll be gone for awhile" instead of just taking off without a word and leaving people who care about each other to be concerned about what's happened to them. How can you turn the fact that I'm basically saying I care into such an evil thing?
| Hekkler wrote: | | It is just that as I read MoJo's words (in the quote that I left from her), the hairs on the back of my neck stood up, as if I could possibly be centered in someone's crosshairs. |
It was Yehu who brought up the business of acting like a community and that was my answer to him. It was in the context of Yehu's call to community. I wasn't even thinking of you, but if you want to put the shoe on your own foot, don't lie about me forcing it on you. I believe Jesus had a few things to say about lying and false witness too.
| Hekkler wrote: | | A rush to judgment is always a terrible thing without knowing all of the facts. I know that God's word confirms this. |
Well if you know this, why were you so quick to rush to judgment about me?
It seems to me, Hekkler, that you've got some kind of chip on your shoulder about me and that you're looking for fault at every opportunity.
| Hekkler wrote: | | But it pains me to see that some may view the absence of some members as a negative thing, and miss entirely the chance to show the love that we have for them positively. Or something like that. |
It pains me when people are spreading this kind of hatred without cause and then patting themselves on the back for managing to get the word love into the same sentence in which they're trashing you.
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HeKkLeR
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| MoJo wrote: | | I wasn't even thinking of you, but if you want to put the shoe on your own foot, don't lie about me forcing it on you. I believe Jesus had a few things to say about lying and false witness too. |
Uhm...
Did I lie about anything? Did I say you were talking about me? Or did I say that I felt that I could possibly be in someone's crosshairs? And mainly because of your statement: | MoJo wrote: | | There are those who really do consider us a cyber family and those who form no true attachment and to them we are just faceless names for awhile. And I had this thought about you, Yehu, and others who have suddenly disappeared. |
You openly admitted right there that you were suspect of the intentions of some people who "suddenly disappeared", MoJo. Only you alone have the knowledge of who you were talking/thinking about, but statements like that can make many people feel suspect. Especially when that person is openly guilty of disappearing from the boards now and then, like I am.
| I wrote: | | A rush to judgment is always a terrible thing without knowing all of the facts. I know that God's word confirms this. |
I wrote that line pertaining to myself, and what I, personally, was feeling, actually. So, I did not rush to any judgment. As a matter of fact, I specifically also wrote: | I wrote: | | But it pains me to see that some may view the absence of some members as a negative thing, |
| MoJo wrote: | | It seems to me, Hekkler, that you've got some kind of chip on your shoulder about me and that you're looking for fault at every opportunity. |
?? I addressed one thing that you wrote: One paragraph that made me concerned because it dealt with a situation that I am part of (namely, disappearing from the boards), and that equals me having a chip on my shoulder, and I'm out to get you????
Isn't this a message board where we address points that each other make? Maybe I have erred by thinking it proper to address a statement that you made on the boards, MoJo. Forgive me, for I thought it was ok (you know... like a family and all). I will now refrain from addressing things you say on these boards again, if that makes you feel happy and at peace.
| MoJo wrote: | | Hekkler wrote: | | But it pains me to see that some may view the absence of some members as a negative thing, and miss entirely the chance to show the love that we have for them positively. Or something like that. |
It pains me when people are spreading this kind of hatred without cause and then patting themselves on the back for managing to get the word love into the same sentence in which they're trashing you. |
MoJo, if you read any hatred in that statement, then it was surely a great mistake on my part in communication, and even more so, to even address such a thing. I will try to stay out of your way.
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eleven
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Banning is definitely an interesting issue. On one hand I'm really against it, but on the other hand I found Atoz's posts on this board to be extremely disruptive, so I totally understand how people felt. It's a very tough issue. |
Yes it is. But there are a diverse population of people on here, and everyone has a right to be heard. If someone doesn't like a certain person's beliefs or the way they post them (atoz), then for crying out loud, just give them the quiet courtesy of skipping over it, and go talk to the ones you prefer. Why take away someone else's joy (atoz) just because it doesn't suit your, my or someone else's taste? How selfish can we get???????????
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MoJo
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| Hekkler wrote: | | You openly admitted right there that you were suspect of the intentions of some people who "suddenly disappeared", MoJo. Only you alone have the knowledge of who you were talking/thinking about, but statements like that can make many people feel suspect. Especially when that person is openly guilty of disappearing from the boards now and then, like I am. |
Let's get up the full quote;
| MoJo wrote: | | Lately, I have had some thoughts on the disappearing acts of some. If we truly believe we are a family and kin in the body of Christ, why would we just leave without a word to our family members? We wouldn't do it to our flesh and blood kin. So, it cuts two ways. There are those who really do consider us a cyber family and those who form no true attachment and to them we are just faceless names for awhile. And I had this thought about you, Yehu, and others who have suddenly disappeared. So, at times communications do break down all the way around. |
Hekkler, just where do you see that I "suspect the intentions" of people who leave the board. I did not suspect anything; I said right out that I wondered if Yehu and others who disappeared considered the people they meet in cyber space to be just faceless names and if this was not so, as people who consider each other a family, would it not be considerate to let them know we are all right? Then in case you missed this;
So, at times communications do break down all the way around
When Yehu was gone, I thought about him occassionally and hoped everything was all right. I wonder the same about others. Why? Because I care. I didn't assign any intentions to their leaving. It was a passing thought which I expressed when Yehu talked of community and you've turned this ant hill into a mountain. If you can deny that there are people who troll the internet forming no real attachments then my statement is 100% true.
I can think of at least one person right now who is missing and has had opportunity to leave a quick message, but didn't. It's a small act of consideration. That's all. I do not suspect their intentions. I have no way of knowing their intentions.
You've taken something I said in passing and because you seem to feel some guilt over it, took pot shots at me.
In your last post, you've tried to make it seem as if you were not doing this, but you did.
| Hekkler wrote: | | Now, how could I not take offense at such a statement? I had absolutely no idea that if someone must, or decides, to take a break from the boards, that they must request a report of absence with anyone here, or be looked at as 'absent without leave', and be given the 'ol evil eye. |
How can you take my musing about how people ought to behave who care about each other and make it sound like improving communication between all parties is a bad thing and I'm giving people the evil eye and demanding they explain their absence? And just where have you ever seen me do such a thing?
| Hekkler wrote: | | Since we mostly know each other as a user name and avatar... and deduct personalities to fit those user names and avatars only from the various typed conversations that we have on this (these?) board(s), it is truly unfair to insinuate any knowledge of each other's personal lives, or to selfishly construct the motives of others' being away from the boards, be it for one week or one year |
Where have I insinuated any knowledge of people's lives other than what they have imparted to me? And where have I selfishly constructed motives for anyone being away from the board? Wondering about what's happened to people and why they left is not the same thing as thing as insinuating knowledge. I have not insinuated anything about people's personal lives.
| Hekkler wrote: | | Wow. And to think that the bible has a story in it about the son who was lost, but then was found, and how rejoicing and celebration was in order. Oh yeah... and how the one who gave the evil eye about the situation was admonished. |
It is now you who are insinuating you know my thoughts about people who have returned. OH yeah...are you hoping the Lord will admonish me because He can't read my heart, but you can? And how inane to equate someone leaving a forum to the parable of one being lost.
| Hekkler wrote: | | But it pains me to see that some may view the absence of some members as a negative thing, and miss entirely the chance to show the love that we have for them positively. Or something like that. |
Well, Hekkler, here's the thing. I do equate the absence of a member to be a loss to me. It is a negative thing not to have loved ones around. If the Lord is working positive things in their lives, I rejoice, but it is always better to be with loved ones than to be absent from them.
| Hekkler wrote: | | But oh well. People are people, I guess. |
| Hekkler wrote: | | Isn't this a message board where we address points that each other make? |
Addressing points is a whole different thing than accusing someone of being negative and giving everyone the evil eye and insinuating that I hold people suspect.
| Hekkler wrote: | | MoJo, if you read any hatred in that statement, then it was surely a great mistake on my part in communication, and even more so, to even address such a thing. I will try to stay out of your way. |
I see. You get to play the part of the injured person. Good trick. Probably would be better if we just ignored each other since you can't ask for clarification and prefer knocking people down over a badly phrased sentiment.
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HeKkLeR
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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Whatever, MoJo. You are impossible to converse with lately. You take everything as evil and as hatred towards you, and throw it back at people. Then you blow up at someone pointing out what they feel, and accuse them of making it into a big problem.
You may moderate these boards, but you do not moderate they way people feel, or the way your statements make people feel.
Whatever. I should not even have replied to your last rants and raves, so yes: please ignore everything I say on these boards.
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RevJP
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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If I may...
Hekkler, you did in fact specifically identify Mojo as posting something that offended you - something she posted which I, for one, did not find the least bit offensive, nor did I see any indication of intent to offend.
You called her out, and yet you assert that she takes "everything as evil and as hatred towards you". Is it any wonder that she would consider your direct assaults as such?
eleven; once more you post statements which are patently untrue. You say:
| Quote: | | If someone doesn't like a certain person's beliefs |
and yes, you continue on with "or how they say them", however, that does not excuse the fact that you are continuing to promote ideas that have no basis in fact, and that have been addressed repeatedly as such.
As for "how they say them" goes: When the moderating staff receives numerous complaints daily about one member derailing threads and posting excruciatingly long posts that have no bearing on the topic of discussion, we have an obligation to the bulk of the membership to take some action.
That you do not like this idea is purely your problem, as we have a handful of moderators trying their hardest to look out for the happiness and satisfaction of the whole of the membership. No ONE member is more important than the others, and no ONE member is going to be allowed to spread disharmony amongst the bulk of the membership. Personally I am growing tired of your contintued insistence on spreading lies about how the moderating staff operates, I think it is willfully underhanded and completely lacking in civility and integrity.
I will state this one last time, and I hope you either take it to heart - or simply leave it alone:
No member has been banned from this board for promoting any particular doctrine, or dislike for any particular doctrine.
No participating member has been banned from this board without receiving numerous warnings for the violations of board rules they have committed and given ample opportunity to mend their ways.
Most members who have ever been booted have had the opportunity to come back to the membership under the agreement that they would comply with the board rules. Some have come back with no problems, some have come back only to engage in the same behaviors that caused them to be booted originally - they then received more warnings and opportunities to comply with the rules and either did so or were booted again.
Now then; I hope this makes the truth of the matter abundantly clear, and I sincerely hope I see no more commentary concerning this issue. It is a done deal at this point, and there really remains nothing constructive to say about it.
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HeKkLeR
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 2:45 am Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | If I may...
Hekkler, you did in fact specifically identify Mojo as posting something that offended you - something she posted which I, for one, did not find the least bit offensive, nor did I see any indication of intent to offend.
You called her out, and yet you assert that she takes "everything as evil and as hatred towards you". Is it any wonder that she would consider your direct assaults as such? |
RevJP, that is only foolishness. I addressed something MoJo said, and I said it offended me, and stated exactly why it offended me. I did not attack MoJo, nor did I assault her.
The silliness of the whole thing is written here in her own words again:
| MoJo wrote: | | Hekkler, just where do you see that I "suspect the intentions" of people who leave the board. I did not suspect anything; I said right out that I wondered if Yehu and others who disappeared considered the people they meet in cyber space to be just faceless names |
You must be just as confused as she is. Especially thinking I would bow down to your foolish attempt at chivalry while totally overlooking the truth.
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HeKkLeR
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| Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus wrote: |
Main Entry: suspect
Part of Speech: verb
Definition: distrust
Synonyms: assume, be afraid, believe, conceive, conclude, conjecture, consider, disbelieve, doubt, expect, feel, gather, guess, harbor suspicion*, have doubt, hold, imagine, mistrust, presume, reckon, speculate, suppose, surmise, think, think probable, understand, wonder
Antonyms: know, trust
Source: Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.3.1)
Copyright © 2008 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.
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| Quote: | | I did not suspect anything; I said right out that I wondered if Yehu and others who disappeared considered the people they meet in cyber space to be just faceless names |
| HeKkLeR wrote: | | MoJo wrote: |
There are those who really do consider us a cyber family and those who form no true attachment and to them we are just faceless names for awhile. And I had this thought about you, Yehu, and others who have suddenly disappeared. |
You openly admitted right there that you were suspect of the intentions of some people who "suddenly disappeared", MoJo. |
In what I said to MoJo, there was definitely no assault against her. Anyone who says there is, is lying.
This is childish. She exposed her self-righteousness, I exposed how her self-righteousness can hurt and offend people, then she gets ugly with me, and here comes RevJP to her rescue, adding lies and untruths.
Yes, RevJP. I did not assault MoJo, but I will assault you with truth if you come at me with lies and smugness.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 3:53 am Post subject: |
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Rev wrote:
| Quote: | | As for "how they say them" goes: When the moderating staff receives numerous complaints daily about one member derailing threads and posting excruciatingly long posts that have no bearing on the topic of discussion, we have an obligation to the bulk of the membership to take some action. |
If I was to find a particular poster annoying, and I flagged every post by that one poster..daily. And I felt that the bulk of their posts had no bearing on the topic of discussion,
would I be considered the "bulk" of the membership?
I haven't written in this thread because to tell you the truth I am truly offended that atoz was banned. I didn't know about wilber or why wilber was banned except that him and TSS didn't see eye to eye. But then again not too many people saw eye to eye with TSS..
I miss him also but not his mannerism.
My biggest fear with this particular thread is that a lot of friends are going to be asked to leave because they are sticking up for people who they felt did not deserve to be banned. But the ultimate authority relies with the management. And although at times the management and the members may not see eye to eye, they do have the right to make decisions which they feel are in the best interest of the board.
The world is filled with different minded people. We may not all speak the same "language" or "understand" the lingo of the poster. But some people cling to different kinds of people. And everyone hears things diferently from one another.
The important thing is to try to find patience in your heart with those you may not agree with or even understand. And there are a lot of impatient people in the world.
I know some of atoz's posts were long (as mine are at times) in the beginning, and it seemed to me as if he had shortened them down over time. As to the content of the posts he wrote, it always concerned love and acceptance for whatever the topic was about. And I'm not saying I understood his posts all the time. You had to give some thought to them. But I personally found them enjoyable just the same.
Nevertheless, atoz is gone, wilber is gone, tss is gone..and hopefully one day they will come back and if not then they will find a place that's more beneficial for them to be and more acceptable of them.
In some boards they not only have a "warning flag" they also have a "thumbs up" when you like a particular post.
I'm curious whether the "bulk" of the members would have found atoz's posts offensive or congratulated.
We may never know.
And to tell you the truth this whole thread has brought me to tears. I love you all and it hurts to see where this has all led to. All things in life aren't fair, and at some point, those who were offended by others may find themselves at the same end of the foot someday.
And they may not understand why they were booted. They was only speaking from their heart or their knowledge..and they will find that fairness works both ways.
anywhoo..sometimes the worlds not fair and we either have to learn how to get along or move along. But to be moved along must be the hardest thing.
I have never as of yet been booted from a forum and I hope I never have to experience the door being shut behind me. But I suppose if it were to happen, I would brush the dust off my feet and keep on moving like so many have done before.
I do question the "bulk" of the members though. It's hard for me to believe that "most" members wanted to see atoz banned. I for one did not. He is my friend. Like so many of you here. And I am sorry they are gone.
But not forgotten..
from my heart..
lone
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| lone-traveler wrote: | | I know some of atoz's posts were long (as mine are at times) in the beginning, and it seemed to me as if he had shortened them down over time. As to the content of the posts he wrote, it always concerned love and acceptance for whatever the topic was about. And I'm not saying I understood his posts all the time. You had to give some thought to them. But I personally found them enjoyable just the same. |
I would like to go on record in support of lone's remarks above, especially this one.
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| Plotinus wrote: | | lone-traveler wrote: | | I know some of atoz's posts were long (as mine are at times) in the beginning, and it seemed to me as if he had shortened them down over time. As to the content of the posts he wrote, it always concerned love and acceptance for whatever the topic was about. And I'm not saying I understood his posts all the time. You had to give some thought to them. But I personally found them enjoyable just the same. |
I would like to go on record in support of lone's remarks above, especially this one. |
Ditto. Some people may have found his theology annoying, but by God, it certainly were not offensive.
Looking at another perspective can only increase a person's thinking, so atoz was an asset to this forum.
As far as I know, it is not required of any person to read each and every post someone else makes. So if you don't like them, or don't agree, or don't care, or whatever, then just skip them. But why take away that posters joy in sharing their view?
Totally disrespectful.
PS. And that goes for wilber as well.
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