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lone-traveler
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Is there a connection between the passover, purim, and easter?
Est 9:20 ¶ And Mordecai wrote these things, and sent letters unto all the Jews that [were] in all the provinces of the king Ahasuerus, [both] nigh and far,
Est 9:21 To stablish [this] among them, that they should keep the fourteenth day of the month Adar, and the fifteenth day of the same, yearly,
Est 9:26 ¶ Wherefore they called these days Purim after the name of Pur. Therefore for all the words of this letter, and [of that] which they had seen concerning this matter, and which had come unto them,
Est 9:27 The Jews ordained, and took upon them, and upon their seed, and upon all such as joined themselves unto them, so as it should not fail, that they would keep these two days according to their writing, and according to their [appointed] time every year;
Est 9:28 And [that] these days [should be] remembered and kept throughout every generation, every family, every province, and every city; and [that] these days of Purim should not fail from among the Jews, nor the memorial of them perish from their seed.
Est 9:29 ¶ Then Esther the queen, the daughter of Abihail, and Mordecai the Jew, wrote with all authority, to confirm this second letter of Purim.
Est 9:30 And he sent the letters unto all the Jews, to the hundred twenty and seven provinces of the kingdom of Ahasuerus, [with] words of peace and truth,
Est 9:31 To confirm these days of Purim in their times [appointed], according as Mordecai the Jew and Esther the queen had enjoined them, and as they had decreed for themselves and for their seed, the matters of the fastings and their cry.
Est 9:32 And the decree of Esther confirmed these matters of Purim; and it was written in the book.
I just thought..easter/esther..sounds very similar..
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45degreeN
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Actually Lone, "Easter" comes from "Ishtar" a Babylonian goddess with many names (Including Astarte)over the millenniums. It seems that Esther is also a derivative of Ishtar not an uncommon name for a Jewess in Nineveh.
The name "Easter" has no connection to the word "Passover" though. Except in the misinformed minds of certain uneducated Christians
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Zathrus
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| eleven wrote: |
Question:
Is the crucifixion "overpreached"?
How significant is it in the Christian life?
How much importance does it hold compared to the resurrection, or is there a difference at all?
Talk to me, anyone. |
Great questions. I don't think the message of the cross can be overpreached. It is so foundational.
Colossians 1:
| Quote: | | 20And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. |
Rom 5:
| Quote: | 8But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. |
It is through the suffering and dying of Jesus Christ on the cross that we are reconciled back to God at all. The terrible separation that came between God and man, which we've been talking about in other recent threads, was done away by the terrible price paid by Jesus.
You just can't overpreach this. So many Christians still feel separated from God. They still wonder if God accepts them. Quasi-Christian groups even preach that the believer's salvation is always in the balance, never certain. It is preached that sin still separates the believer from God. No! This gospel of the cross is what should be preached! Reconciliation between man and God. The gospel of peace.
I think in the paragraph above, you can see how I believe the cross is significant in the Crhistian life. It isn't about what God owes us. Quite the opposite. It's about what He freely gave us, despite the fact we in no way deserve one ounce of His mercy.
I've never compared the cross's significance to the resurrection. They go together. If Jesus did not rise again, then the cross did not reconcile us to God or redeem us from sin.
Rom 4
| Quote: | | 25Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification. |
Furthermore, the resurrection is what proved that Jesus was who He said He was. Our faith that He bore our sins on the cross would be blind if not for the fact that He returned from the dead to show that He'd done it.
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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| 45degreeN wrote: | Actually Lone, "Easter" comes from "Ishtar" a Babylonian goddess with many names (Including Astarte)over the millenniums. It seems that Esther is also a derivative of Ishtar not an uncommon name for a Jewess in Nineveh.
The name "Easter" has no connection to the word "Passover" though. Except in the misinformed minds of certain uneducated Christians |
Hi 45,
what month is adar?
and what is the significance of it being held on the 14th and 15th of the month. When I first wrote the post above I was thinking adar was the first month..but thats abib
Est 3:7 In the first month, that [is], the month Nisan, in the twelfth year of king Ahasuerus, they cast Pur, that [is], the lot, before Haman from day to day, and from month to month, [to] the twelfth [month], that [is], the month Adar.
Nisan?..
Abib: green fruit; ears of corn
Easton's Bible Dictionary
Abib
an ear of corn,
the month of newly-ripened grain ( Exd 13:4; 23:15); the first of the Jewish ecclesiastical year, and the seventh of the civil year. It began about the time of the vernal equinox, on 21st March. It was called Nisan, after the Captivity ( Neh 2:1). On the fifteenth day of the month, harvest was begun by gathering a sheaf of barley, which was offered unto the Lord on the sixteenth ( Lev 23:4-11).
seems like the calendars been changing names for a long time..
Jhn 4:35 Say not ye, There are yet four months, and [then] cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest.
was someone messin with the clocks.. 
I know that harvest time is supposed to be in the month of abib/nisan/adar..but look what time it is..the time is now..
I think our own calendar is messed up too.
just seems like the seasons are out of sinc with the calendar sometimes..
anywhoo..
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lone
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pato
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| 45degreeN wrote: | I prefer to work with the Messianic passover rather than the paganized sun worship that is typical of modern "Easter" celebrations.
Since Y'shua's death was a fulfillment of the original Passover all of the appropriate symbology is contained there. We don't need some sun worshiper adding a sunrise service, "Easter" eggs, "easter" bunnies and all the other fertility symbols. What lies must we tell our children to explain away such non-Christian activities and somehow make the connection with Christ. Hypocrisy is the only appropriate name for such lying.
The covenant God established in the garden of Eden is fulfilled and God has proven his faithfulness. |
 I'm sure this will go down well 
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JonMarie
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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Eleven stated:
| Quote: | | I have churches around me that preach the crucifixion means we are free from the law forever. Is that true? |
No, see Matthew 5:17 |
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Yehushuan
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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| JonMarie wrote: | Eleven stated:
| Quote: | | I have churches around me that preach the crucifixion means we are free from the law forever. Is that true? |
No, see Matthew 5:17 |
Mat 5:17-18 KJV Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. (18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Luk 24:51 KJVr And it was fulfilled that, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.
Joh 19:30 KJV When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
Heb 8:13 KJV In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
POOF
(Someone needs to read better.)
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Yehushuan
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| eleven wrote: | | Is the crucifixion "overpreached"? |
Not according to Paul.
1Co 2:2 KJV For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. | eleven wrote: | | How significant is it in the Christian life? |
Rom 1:16 KJV For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. | eleven wrote: | | How much importance does it hold compared to the resurrection, or is there a difference at all? |
The answer deserves a whole forum, my friend.
Col 1:14 KJV In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
1Pe 2:24 KJV Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. Such would still be true were He not ever resurrected.
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JonMarie
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Yehu quotes: | Quote: | Mat 5:17-18 KJV Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. (18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Luk 24:51 KJVr And it was fulfilled that, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.
Joh 19:30 KJV When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
Heb 8:13 KJV In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. |
Could you please explain, in your own words, your take on this, I am not sure that I understand what you are trying to say. |
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45degreeN
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 6:47 am Post subject: |
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Try this on for size Romans 3: | Quote: | 21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Boasting Excluded
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law. 29 Or is He the God of the Jews only? Is He not also the God of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also, 30 since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.
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This is the essence of Paul's writings. The law is not done away with but our salvation is apart from or outside of that law.
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JonMarie
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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45Writes: | Quote: | This is the essence of Paul's writings. The law is not done away with but our salvation is apart from or outside of that law.
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apart in what sense?
Eph 5:3But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; |
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45degreeN
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 6:53 am Post subject: |
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Paul writes that our salvation is no any way connected with the law it is separated by a chasm far to distant to jump over (Romans 3:21) It is a matter of faith not following the law. Faith is acting on God's promises as though they were true even if we cant see them.
Romans 3 | Quote: | | 21But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus. |
Paul goes on to demonstrate from the forefathers just how this works citing Abraham's experience and continues with
Romans 4:
| Quote: | 4Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation. 5However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness. 6David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
7"Blessed are they
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
8Blessed is the man
whose sin the Lord will never count against him." |
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 11:07 am Post subject: |
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Gal. 5:6
Paul is teaching that faith in the works of the OT Mosaic laws such as circumcision or prescribed offerings could NOT bring salvation, but faith in the NT does bring salvation IF it comes alive by active love.
Everyone still has to obey the Big Ten. When Paul refers to the Law he is not talking about the commandments. |
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JonMarie
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45 quotes:23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ
Romans 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man (old sin nature) is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Romans 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Romans 6:17-19, 17But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. 19I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. |
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