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theseldomscene
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do we have soil samples or core samples from venus or mercury..?...just curious...
also about thier atmospheres....have we sent something through them to know for sure what they are, like a probe or something, or what method do we use to determine that?...
ps...why i am asking, could someone tell me why we even take core samples for glaciers and ice and stuff?...
i have always wondered about that... |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incremental_dating
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theseldomscene
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thanks friend...
| wiki wrote: | | The relative concentrations of the heavier isotopes in the condensate indicate the temperature of condensation at the time, allowing for ice cores to be used in local temperature reconstruction after certain assumptions. |
that was a good article and spun off to other good articles...much good learning and i need it!...  |
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| 45degreeN wrote: | The idea of global warming means that at one time it was not warm and now it is. Otherwise it will not have 'warmed' but has always been warm! At best this might indicate how it remains warm.
At no point in time did Venus have an Oxygen/ Nitrogen atmosphere that eventually changed into what it has now. The comparison of the environmentalists is specious and I am still oppose any comparing Earth's system to Venus' system, they have never been similar and will remain dissimilar for as long as they exist.
There was a time when speculation lead us to believe that Venus' atmosphere was water vapor, this if course was prior to the time when any instruments told us otherwise. It has not changed from a water vapor atmosphere into a CO2 atmosphere it has always been primarily a CO2 atmosphere. So this using of Venus for the example of global warming is so very wrong. It is an invalid "apples and oranges" comparison used to pressure people into following some foolishness that will overthrow the world's economy and still produce nothing of value. |
Nobody is saying that 'Global Warming' happened on Venus. I'm saying that there is a runaway greenhouse effect on Venus, and it's caused by CO2.
Anyone who doesn't believe that CO2 is a greenhouse gas should look at Venus.
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curiouser and curiouser...
CHECK LINK **
Global warming scientist slash activist realizes he forgot to carry the one?
"Runaway greenhouse theories contradict energy balance equations," Miskolczi states. Just as the theory of relativity sets an upper limit on velocity, his theory sets an upper limit on the greenhouse effect, a limit which prevents it from warming the Earth more than a certain amount. "
now to me...a lay person...that seems to both make logical sense AND match the historical record we have...
Go Mxyzptlk!
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(edit Your forgiven & I fixed it here & P's quote of it.) Nobby
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45degreeN
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The problem is that we go into any green house here on Earth and find nothing at all like this so called "greenhouse effect" so we might have to call it something else its just not anything like greenhouses.
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| Pondering wrote: | curiouser and curiouser...
CHECK LINK **
Global warming scientist slash activist realizes he forgot to carry the one?
"Runaway greenhouse theories contradict energy balance equations," Miskolczi states. Just as the theory of relativity sets an upper limit on velocity, his theory sets an upper limit on the greenhouse effect, a limit which prevents it from warming the Earth more than a certain amount. "
now to me...a lay person...that seems to both make logical sense AND match the historical record we have...
Go Mxyzptlk!
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I'm guessing that the scientific community will have serious issues with his arguments. I don't care what a journalist had to say about this work. I want to know what the rest of the climatology community says.
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ok...clearly no one likes to follow the link before commenting...
"NASA refused to release the results. Miskolczi believes their motivation is simple. "Money", he tells DailyTech. Research that contradicts the view of an impending crisis jeopardizes funding, not only for his own atmosphere-monitoring project, but all climate-change research. Currently, funding for climate research tops $5 billion per year.
Miskolczi resigned in protest, stating in his resignation letter,"
For all those paying attention, the head of NASA is a huge proponent of human-caused Global Warming...
Miskolczi's "theory was eventually published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal in his home country of Hungary." link to journal
"The conclusions are supported by research published in the Journal of Geophysical Research last year from Steven Schwartz of Brookhaven National Labs" researchpaper here.
"Reto Ruedy of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies says greenhouse theory is "200 year old science" and doubts the possibility of dramatic changes to the basic theory"
which makes sense because we've never revised any theories over the past 200 years...Einstein's theory of relativity was discover in the 1700s, they just had to wait for him to be born to publish it... 
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I always find it tragically ironic when people try to make the argument that climate research is some kind of big business, and that's why all of these climate scientists are spewing forth so many lies and hype.
If you want to see REAL big business, and people who have a REAL incentive to lie, then maybe you should look at the corporations who are behind the whole anti-global warming movement.
Good scientists have standards. They are peer-reviewed. Oil companies neither have ethical standards, nor are their propaganda (sorry, their public relations) departments peer-reviewed. They've got A LOT (we're talking TRILLIONS of dollars with a T!) to lose if people finally figure out that they really need to stop burning fossil fuels.
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45degreeN
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Those oil executives have a fiduciary duty to their stock holders and their stock is held primarily by retirement funds of the middle class. Given the circumstance I would probably do the same thing if I were in their position.
It looks like there will be a huge valley between the height of the oil economy and any future energy based economy simply because of the lack of foresight by those in charge. There is a new movement back into nuclear generation and we can hope that it wont take forever to get it started again but the issue of dealing with the waste is still a major hurdle to pass.
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| 45degreeN wrote: | | Those oil executives have a fiduciary duty to their stock holders and their stock is held primarily by retirement funds of the middle class. Given the circumstance I would probably do the same thing if I were in their position. |
So what? I don't care *why* they are doing their best to deceive the public into thinking that global warming isn't happening or that it isn't caused by humans... I only care that they are.
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45degreeN
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It seems that the great spot on Jupiter is growing children there are now three spots. Astronomers attribute this to global warming on Jupiter!
It seems that the whole solar system is warming!
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NASA landed a probe on Mars today.
| Quote: | Phoenix is equipped with an 8-foot-long arm capable of digging trenches in the soil to get to ice that is believed to be buried inches to a foot deep. Then it will analyze the dirt and ice samples for traces of organic compounds, the chemical building blocks of life.
The lander also will study whether the ice ever melted at some point in Mars' history when the planet had a warmer environment than the current harsh, cold one it currently has.
Scientists do not expect to find water in its liquid form at the Phoenix landing site because it's too frigid. But they say that if raw ingredients of life exist anywhere on the planet, they likely would be preserved in the ice. |
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,358027,00.html |
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I keep a very close watch on NASA lately and yes I already heard the news yesterday Thanks anyway.
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