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Ana
King of the Jungle
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 Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:59 am Post subject: |
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| luvnlife wrote: | P123 said: | Quote: | | I think it's sick that these companies are making literally billions in profits at the expense of good, hard-working Americans. |
I agree with you. I think we lost control long ago. I think our government is like a runaway train. How do you stop a runaway train? |
This ties into something TSS and I were talking about in a different thread. How do you stop a runaway government train? One way is voting based on issues (plural) instead of on appearances, skin colour, gender, personal associations, et cetera. Vote for someone because they have an idea about responsible government rather than because they tell you they're Christian or that they love America.
Another idea (pertaining more to fuel costs) is to try and hit the brakes on consumerism. Just a thought. Buy less stuff altogether and buy more of what you do buy local so trucks don't have to use as much fuel to get stuff to you. |
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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Try hitting the breaks on consumerism?
Wonder why the government just passed the stimulus package. So people will spend more money..LOL..
I tell you my opinion..
You get this rebate..put it in the bank as a savings account or whatever but don't spend it. You may need it later.
We're up to almost $500 a fill up every other day. Or around $2000 a week.
The loads do not pay enough to cover the fuel costs. We're getting pushed..
The price of corn is going up because their using it for bio-fuels which requires fuel to make it in the first place, which makes the cost of bread and cereals go up because they have less grain for food..supply and demand..demand for grain to make the bio-fuel and not enough supply for food.
Let's see..if we don't eat..how long before we don't drive..LOLOL...
It's really not funny, it's ironic.
I understand inelastic to mean..at least how I learned it in microeconomics..is that when someone supplies something like insulin and you will die without it, then the one's supplying the insulin have an advantage of raising the price because there is no other alternative you can use for the insulin.
Where fuel or transportation is elastic. There are other ways to get around. You can walk, ride a bike, take a train or bus, carpool..
You can control the amount of fuel you use by how many trips you make to the store. Not making unneccesary trips. Keeping your tires inflated. preventative maintenance.
Even in your home. If you conserve energy in your house, you lower the usage of electricity, which lowers the need of the electric company to generate more electricity by using fuel to operate.
It's going to get interesting..that's for sure.
Everything we buy uses some form of fuel to create it in the first place. From tractors that plow the land and bail the hay and reap the grains..to the plants that process them, and the manufactures who provide the packaging materials, to the transportation to the stores..to purchasing them at the store, and preparing the meals, and even flushing your toilet which runs through a sewer which goes through a plant and treats the water..which those big watering machines that water the fields in which the whole process begins again..not to mention the milking machines and those processing plants..etc..
everything..
So really all you can do is the best you can do to try to consolidate wherever possible.
But I'm serious about that rebate though..
Think of this moment as the calm before the storm. Be prepared. It's not like we're blind to it and don't see it coming. Every day the price of fuel keeps rising which in turn makes everything else rise. We are seeing the effects of the fuel costs at the pump, but pretty soon we will be feeling the effects of it in everything we do.
Our electricity bills will go up, our phone bills will have "new" charges added to them because it takes fuel to fix the phonelines when they go down, or even pay the people who answer the phones at the phone company. The cost of food will skyrocket..
we just haven't seen all the effects of it yet..
I mean, I'm not trying to cause a "panic" or anything..I'm just saying..play it safe, think ahead, conserve your money, conserve your fuel, find alternative ways to cut your costs. Hold on to that refund no matter how much you feel pressured into spending it. It's not going to stimulate the economy..it's just going to make you more broke.
Because the more you buy the more the demand for those things you buy goes up, and so the price of fuel goes up..
And when your moneys all gone and the prices keep on a rising..what you gonna do then?
Hey, I love you all..and I just don't want to see anyone get blindsided and end up getting hurt in the end..
that's all..
((HUGS))
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:02 am Post subject: |
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I'd like to take this opportunity to point out that when Bush became president 7 or so years ago, a barrel of oil cost around $30. Now one barrel costs about $110.
Here (This chart stops around $90, but it keeps going up after that!):
If you guys are angry about your fuel costs, you know *exactly* who you should blame.
The Bush administration sure did a lot of good for their buddies in the oil companies, and they've done a whole lot of bad for the average American. |
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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I was just looking at this:
www.fuelfocus.nrcan.gc
| Quote: | Fuel Focus, March 14, 2008: Supplement
World Average Retail Gasoline Prices
Gasoline surveys frequently report that consumers are concerned about gasoline prices, particularly during periods of fluctuation typical of the spring or as a result of unpredictable weather events or unplanned refinery outages. A recent survey conducted by Energy Détente in 65 countries showed that gasoline prices ranged from a high of $2.17 per litre (Canadian) in the Netherlands to a low of 4 cents per litre in Venezuela (where prices are heavily subsidized).
Of the top 15 countries with the highest gasoline prices, 13 are European. In addition, the survey showed that of the 65 countries, 13 had retail gasoline prices below 69 cents per litre, which Energy Détente considers a subsidized price for gasoline. Most of countries with the lowest gasoline prices are significant producers of crude oil. As shown in the graph below, Canada registers much lower gasoline prices compared to European countries.
Canada ranked 37th with an average price of $1.04 per litre and the U.S. was 45th at $0.81 cents per litre. Most of the countries above $1.75 per litre were European, but overall, excluding taxes, there is relatively little price variation in retail gasoline prices around the world. In fact, of the gasoline price, taxes accounted for more than 50% of the retail price per litre in 23 countries, mostly in Western Europe, but also in Uganda, Slovenia, Poland, Czech Republic, Hong Kong, South Korea and Brazil. Countries with very low gasoline prices, such as Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iran, Venezuela, Egypt and China, have significant government subsidies, often selling gasoline below the price of crude oil on the world markets. For example, some producing countries spend as much as 14% to 17% of their total state revenues to subsidize gasoline. |
it takes about 3-3/4 litres to make one us gallon.
So if the avg. price of gas in canada is $1.04 per litre and the price of gas is avg. 3.19 a gallon in the US..
we're all paying about the same.
Is this your prime ministers fault?
So what's that saying?..that taxes on the gas are the cause of the inflation of it?
www.investmentu.net
Crude Oil Report
The Crude Oil Reserve 8 Times Bigger
than Saudi Arabia's
While oil demand grows higher by the day, supplies are in a constant state of flux…
The Middle East’s tinder is constantly catching fire, and the other major crude oil players are either unfriendly (like Venezuela and Nigeria) or simply running out of oil (like Mexico and the North Sea region).
But Alberta, Canada’s oil sands, once too costly for crude oil refineries to process, have suddenly become a veritable black gold mine. Now…
The cost of refining crude oil from tar sands has dropped from $29.63 a barrel to $13.21 – and continues to fall as oil production ramps up.
Canada’s sands contain up to 2.5 trillion barrels of oil – that's more crude oil reserves than every OPEC country combined.
With the razor-thin gap between supply and demand – and the volatility of producing nations not priced in – the crude oil price is an undervalued commodity at $90+ a barrel.
hmmm...
We be nice to you..if you be nice to us..LOLOLOL...
wanna share..do ya huh..do ya??..  |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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| lone-traveler wrote: |
it takes about 3-3/4 litres to make one us gallon.
So if the avg. price of gas in canada is $1.04 per litre and the price of gas is avg. 3.19 a gallon in the US..
we're all paying about the same.
Is this your prime ministers fault? |
No, it most certainly isn't his fault, because Canada didn't attack Iraq, and played no role in the Iraq war. Furthermore, we tried very hard to warn you guys (because you are our closest ally) not to attack Iraq either. It turns out that was good advice.
Why do you think oil prices are so high? It's because of the instability in the Middle East, and because of the Bush administration's energy policy (which, by the way, was literally written by the oil companies).
The high price of gasoline everywhere is the Bush administration's fault. |
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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Just curious P123,
you see the candidates we have up for grabs..
McCain, Obama, and Clinton...
which would you vote for if you were an American citizen?
sometimes being on the inside we can't see because we're too close to the forest..
hugs
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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| lone-traveler wrote: | Just curious P123,
you see the candidates we have up for grabs..
McCain, Obama, and Clinton...
which would you vote for if you were an American citizen?
sometimes being on the inside we can't see because we're too close to the forest..
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I wish I could vote in your election! Who you guys elect effects my life a lot, so I should get a say! 
I follow U.S. politics more closely than Canadian politics. It's kind of hard not to, seeing as how we get most of our media from you guys...
None of the three excite me very much. I definitely wouldn't vote for Hillary, because she voted for the Iraq war, which was a dereliction of duty on her part as a Senator.
McCain has good character, and he's an old-school Republican. His kind is an endangered species. Modern 'Republicans' are some sick combination of the religious right and Neocons, whereas McCain is a fiscally conservative pro-people kind of politician. If he were hell-bent on using his Presidential powers to pass new campaign finance laws which keep the corporations and their money out of politics, then that would be fantastic.
By FAR the best candidate running is Nader. It's largely his fault that Bush was elected instead of Gore in 2000. He was the best candidate in that election, as well. Since he stood zero chance of winning, nobody should have voted for him back then, but they did, and it hurt America A LOT.
However, this time around, it wouldn't be the end of the world if he stole votes from the Democrats, and because of it McCain got elected. More than anything else, Nader stands for ending the (totally unhealthy) two party system in America in which each party is completely controlled by corporate interests.
I think you guys should vote for Nader, even knowing that doing so might cost the Democrats the election. McCain is no George Bush, so it wouldn't be bad. The benefit of having a growing support for the 'third party' (which is actually the best party for the average American citizen) is definitely worth it.
Besides, it would be BAD for the Republicans to win this election, because whoever wins is inheriting the MASSIVE mess that the Bush administration created. Four more years of Republican mess would help to guarantee that Democrats win in 2012, and probably 2016 as well.
So my strategy would be to elect McCain by voting for Nader, and get the side-effects of helping the third party become more popular, and hurting the Republicans in the 2012 election.
The worst-case scenario is if Obama or Clinton are elected, and because of all the problems they inherit, they will be extremely unpopular for the next 4 years. By 2012, everyone will have forgotten that the Bush administration was actually to blame for all of it, and the Republicans will blame it all on the Democrats, and get Jeb Bush elected. That's the worst-case scenario. |
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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I'm a registered Independent, but I have a tendency to lean on the republican side..
Got that from my dad..
But I'm leaning towards Obama..
I thought back in 2000 when Gingrich was doing that contract with America that it would turn the country around..it did for a little while.
I'm thinking Obama might have a bit more "spunk" to change things around..but it takes the cooperation of both Senate and Congress with the president to make any "real" changes.
I was talking with my daughter yesterday and she leans on the democratic side, and she was thinking towards McCain..isn't that funny..lol..
Seems like nobody's really happy with the choices we've got. I don't follow politics that closely anymore. I used to be right in that C-Span daily. If I had cable maybe I still would be..don't know.
I haven't heard too much about Nader, I'll have to check up on him and see what he's all about.
I appreciate your point of view. And yes, a lot of things that happen here do have a great influence on the world as a whole.
I just hope we make a good choice..
Pro 29:2 When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.
Isn't that the truth..
hugs P123
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:35 am Post subject: |
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I guess it's starting to hit the independent truckers pretty hard. They are having a strike today here in Florida.
Diesel is over $4. a gallon. wonder if it will make a difference..
hugs
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:14 am Post subject: |
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By the way, a follow-up on my previous post:
There is one thing I forgot to factor into my recommendation to vote for Nader: The Supreme Court.
If McCain is elected, and any of the remaining liberal judges on the Supreme Court step down, then he will replace them with conservatives, which would be very bad.
So I take back everything I wrote. Vote for Obama. |
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P1234567890
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PrysdieHeer!
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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This is why I started working on a car that does not use fuel, or sunlight, or wind. It generates it`s own power from magnets.
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| PrysdieHeer! wrote: | This is why I started working on a car that does not use fuel, or sunlight, or wind. It generates it`s own power from magnets.
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Do you mean that it has an electric motor in it?
By the way, this is a great idea, and I hope you succeed. I'm glad we've finally found an issue that we can agree on! |
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PrysdieHeer!
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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| P1234567890 wrote: |
Do you mean that it has an electric motor in it?
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Almost, but generating electricity is the problem.
I intend on using permanent magnets to generate energy out of thin air, it`s complicated.
| Quote: | | By the way, this is a great idea, and I hope you succeed. |
Thank You
| Quote: | | I'm glad we've finally found an issue that we can agree on! |
ME too
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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| PrysdieHeer! wrote: | | P1234567890 wrote: |
Do you mean that it has an electric motor in it?
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Almost, but generating electricity is the problem.
I intend on using permanent magnets to generate energy out of thin air, it`s complicated. |
I don't want to discourage you, because I think you're doing something good here, but that sounds like a perpetual motion device...
How can you use magnets to generate energy out of thin air? |
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