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luvnlife
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Lone: | Quote: | | what does that mean Luv, has you in his sites? |
I think he means that:
1) He wants to baptize me in this church. (I was baptized a Christian a long time ago. I don't believe that if you change churches within the Christian faith that you have to be baptized again).
2) He wants me to tithe according to his understanding of the scriptures instead of mine.
3) He wants me to be molded into his idea of who I am.
I go to this church for a few basic reasons:
1) To listen, learn, expand and reinforce what I am learning and reading outside of church.
2) To fellowship for a brief period with a group of people with beliefs that are very close to mine in most ways and to be in the company of good people who love God.
3) To reinforce biblical principles for my daughter.
There is one major thing that the church I attend believes that I do not as many of you already know.
They believe in the trinity.
I know some of you think I'm going to Hades because I go to a church that believes this when I don't but the truth is, they teach from the bible and we cover so many different topics other than the trinity that I still learn a lot and my daughter learns a lot.
I have called over 20 different churches in my area covering many different denominations and every single one believes in the trinity except the JW's.
Maybe I'm wrong to go to church at all.
Maybe part of the reason people are falling away from churches is that they teach things like the trinity which is biblically supported in only a handful of later translations.
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Luv, I must be going to Hades also my church believes & teaches trinity & we also pay tithe. When we can, we give more than just our tithe. It supports our church, & besides it's not forced on you. I believe we also support 20 evanglist couples. It's good to give, you can't outgive God! It's all His to start with!  |
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lone-traveler
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| Quote: | Lone: Quote:
what does that mean Luv, has you in his sites?
I think he means that:
1) He wants to baptize me in this church. (I was baptized a Christian a long time ago. I don't believe that if you change churches within the Christian faith that you have to be baptized again).
2) He wants me to tithe according to his understanding of the scriptures instead of mine.
3) He wants me to be molded into his idea of who I am. |
Baptism is an outward demonstration of one's willingness to change the course they were on and move in a new direction.
Baptism is an internal life changing experience of one's willingness to change the course on the inside. By becoming more gentle and forgiving towards others, and learning what true love is all about and walking both in mind and body in that direction.
The outward demonstration is for the sake of others. The inward demonstration is for the sake of one's self.
Are we not all members of one body of Christ? Why does he think you need to be re-baptised? Is it for his own benefit so that he can add you to the "number" of baptisms in "his" church?
Maybe he's one of those, "if I don't see it, I don't believe it", types.. 
The very fact that you are sitting in the pew should be the only witness or testimony needed to "prove" your intentions to seek the truth and live a christian life.
And you know, you don't have to prove anything to God, he already knows your heart.. 
2) He wants me to tithe according to his understanding of the scriptures instead of mine.
Tithing..where's that verse about filthy lucre's sake..hmm..
I understand that the ministries need money to promote the programs and to pay for the building and overhead costs. But there are people that are not able to give and keep their families healthy and out of bankruptcy.
Next time you go to church divvy up 10% worth of food you purchase at the store, and bring it to the church and share it with everyone..
see how tithing was done for real if he wants to stick to the 10% rule then don't stop at the money, bring beef, lamb, oil, flour...because that's how they did it in the OT.
check out tithes and offerings..see if what you bring is scoffed at. If it's not what they are expecting then maybe your not in God's church, but man's church.
Deu 14:22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
Deu 14:23 And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.
all the "increase" of thy seed..
I may be wrong but I'm hearing "profit" here...
Like, if I take one seed and I grow a sunflower, then that sunflower could produce 25 to 50 seeds itself. So then the "increase" of that one seed and the tithe of that "increase" would be 10% of 25 or 50 seeds.
Does your family make a profit each week? or are you living on a tight budget?
Because I'm thinking the tithe refers to whatever the "increase" or "profit" after living expenses is.
2Ch 31:5 And as soon as the commandment came abroad, the children of Israel brought in abundance the firstfruits of corn, wine, and oil, and honey, and of all the increase of the field; and the tithe of all [things] brought they in abundantly.
bring corn, wine, oil and honey..see how that goes over..
3) He wants me to be molded into his idea of who I am.
The only ones in charge of molding who you are is between you and the Lord. We are all individuals and created that way. He makes us and breaks us and fashions us according to his idea of what mold he wants you to be.
He can't mold you into "his" ideal image, It's God who's working on you and only He knows what that ideal image of you is..
it's all about the numbers..ever notice that?
We have X amount of members at our church...
I remember one time I went to a church and they told me I had to sign up to become a member of the church..
I told them I was already a member of God's church and I didn't need to sign up with him, he already had my signature..
I left.
I don't know Luv,
If you enjoy being there and you like the sermons and the people, then go for the joy of those things you treasure. But don't let people pressure you into doing things which you aren't fully convinced in your own mind to do.
If it gets too uncomfortable take a break for awhile. Don't let anything come between the peace and joy and comfort you feel and God.
And try not to lose your patience..he is only human after all...and maybe he thinks what he says to you is helping you stay on the right path...sometimes too much "help" can cause us to stumble.. 
Just stay grounded..keep your chin up..and whenever possible seek a peaceful solution.
Have you tried talking to him about how you feel?
you know me..ramblin..
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Zathrus
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| luvnlife wrote: | I think he means that:
1) He wants to baptize me in this church. (I was baptized a Christian a long time ago. I don't believe that if you change churches within the Christian faith that you have to be baptized again).
2) He wants me to tithe according to his understanding of the scriptures instead of mine.
3) He wants me to be molded into his idea of who I am.
I go to this church for a few basic reasons:
1) To listen, learn, expand and reinforce what I am learning and reading outside of church.
2) To fellowship for a brief period with a group of people with beliefs that are very close to mine in most ways and to be in the company of good people who love God.
3) To reinforce biblical principles for my daughter. |
I understand, every pastor is looking for people to pitch in and help, working shoulder to shoulder with him. But you're there to glean what you can, receive from God what you can, and you don't fully even buy into the stand the church takes on a few things. If your goals, your beliefs, and where your heart is aren't really the same as those of the church, I'd let the pastor know that you can't in good conscience become further involved than you are. |
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Yehushuan
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| luvnlife wrote: | | It's not what the church thinks I should give. |
1Co 16:2 KJV Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. What you do is between you and God, Luv. It this church is bent on sticking its nose into places that scripture says are none of its business, then by all means, BOLT.
| luvnlife wrote: | | …tithing a condition of baptism |
Well ya hear something new everyday! Seriously that’s a first for me. It would seem this congregation has serious troubles. Regarding the tithe, we preach that one can’t get anything done without a budget, and for the purposes of the New Covenant, the tithe is for YOU. This way YOU have money available for the very things you say you do (your giving to God etc.) and while contribution to a congregation is necessary, if you skimp on your budget, you’re only hurting yourself in your ministry. Seriously, the tithe is a line item in your household budget that supports the ministry God gives YOU.
| luvnlife wrote: | | The Pastor has let me know that he has me in his sites recently… |
Can we say “control freak”? My word.  If you’re going to stick it out, then just realize this guy needs a LOT of prayer, so you better start praying.
| luvnlife wrote: | | He wants to baptize me in this church. |
Shouldn’t unless God leads you, again this sounds like a control freak.
| luvnlife wrote: | | He wants me to tithe according to his understanding of the scriptures instead of mine. |
So he applies the Dead Testament Law as valid to a New Covenant believer.
| luvnlife wrote: | | we cover so many different topics other than the trinity |
The trinity is such a minor doctrine (which we don’t preach, and we’re not JW’s) that I don’t even consider it when affiliating with outside churches.
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Zathrus
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I know this has been discussed in other threads where the subject was the tithe specifically, but on the subject of the tithe, one of the most often used schiptures that pastors use to encourage tithing is in Malachi 4.
| Quote: | | 10Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. |
The Lord says the tithe existed so there would be meat in His house.
"His house" at the time was the temple in Jerusalem. The meat was for the Levitical priests.
I point this out for your benefit, as I'm sure your pastor would not receive it. The temple in Jerusalem is no longer there. It was the center of worship under the old covenant, not the covenant by which we relate to God. Today we are the temple of God. Furthermore, we don't relate to God through a Levitical priesthood, for whose sake the Lord gave the tithe commandment to old covenant Israel. We have a High Priest eternal in the heavens. He has no need of our money.
And lastly, notice the promise of a blessing from the Lord in exchange for obedience to the tithing commandment. This is the principle by which the old covenant worked. You do good, you get blessed. You do wrong, you get punished. That is not new covenant! It is not grace, it is works righteousness.
This kind of misapplication of scripture is what used to make me want to smack my forehead in church and wonder "Good Lord! This man tells us he's our spiritual leader! Doesn't he know better than this??!"
Why is it that, as Yehu mentioned, so many control freaks wind up in spiritual leadership positions? |
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luvnlife
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Lone said: | Quote: | Deu 14:22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
Deu 14:23 And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.
all the "increase" of thy seed..
I may be wrong but I'm hearing "profit" here...
Like, if I take one seed and I grow a sunflower, then that sunflower could produce 25 to 50 seeds itself. So then the "increase" of that one seed and the tithe of that "increase" would be 10% of 25 or 50 seeds.
Does your family make a profit each week? or are you living on a tight budget?
Because I'm thinking the tithe refers to whatever the "increase" or "profit" after living expenses is. |
That is an interesting point, Lone.
I also think of tithe as giving outside the church. The NT teaches charity and cheerful giving. My family does a lot of giving from cash to furniture, toys, clothing to food.… I consider all of this, along with what we give the church, as part of our tithe.
I wonder what would be considered an ‘increase.’ We live in a modest home, under 1,300 sq ft, no a/c, no automatic sprinklers or anything like that. Our mortgage is just over $1,000 p/month. I drive over 300 miles a week just to work. My husband drives an additional 40 each week. Gas keeps climbing. It’s about $3.20 p/gal average here. In the summer, my daughter goes to daycare at the cost of $27 a day. Then there’s school lunches, clothing every other month for a growing kid, food, insurance, car repairs, water, gas, sewer, electricity etc… We also pay child support for my stepson who lives with his biological mother.
By contrast, our church is set on about 10 to 15 acres, has stained glass windows, a huge sanctuary, a large kitchen, a large ‘fellowship room’ and many classrooms, a room for nursing mothers and an office. They are now talking about opening up a daycare. No wonder they need so much money from people in the congregation. It’s not just tithes they ask for. They always ask for extra for ‘Youth Fund, Building Fund, Special Speakers etc… the list goes on.
As Nobby pointed out, we do support evangalists in other areas. I think that is a good cause but I don’t want to feel guilty for taking care of my families needs first. Did the people in the OT have daycare, water, sewer, child support, mortgages etc…? Were their expenses anything close to what modern-day families have to deal with?
Lone said: | Quote: | Baptism is an outward demonstration of one's willingness to change the course they were on and move in a new direction.
Baptism is an internal life changing experience of one's willingness to change the course on the inside. By becoming more gentle and forgiving towards others, and learning what true love is all about and walking both in mind and body in that direction.
The outward demonstration is for the sake of others. The inward demonstration is for the sake of one's self.
Are we not all members of one body of Christ? Why does he think you need to be re-baptised? Is it for his own benefit so that he can add you to the "number" of baptisms in "his" church? |
I believe this too, Lone. You are right. We don’t have to prove ourselves to men and God knows our hearts and doesn’t need this reassurance. Our confirmation to God is shown by our worship to him and our acts of love and kindness towards others.
Lone said: | Quote: | | Quote: | | If it gets too uncomfortable take a break for awhile. Don't let anything come between the peace and joy and comfort you feel and God. |
…stay grounded..keep your chin up..and whenever possible seek a peaceful solution.
Have you tried talking to him about how you feel? |
I have thought about taking a break and maybe going to another church in the area for a while. I have not really discussed this with him yet. I may take the approach Zathrus suggested as it is starting to weigh heavily on my heart.
Zathrus said: | Quote: | | If your goals, your beliefs, and where your heart is aren't really the same as those of the church, I'd let the pastor know that you can't in good conscience become further involved than you are. |
Yehu said: | Quote: | | The trinity is such a minor doctrine (which we don’t preach, and we’re not JW’s) that I don’t even consider it when affiliating with outside churches. |
What do you mean by that? Some people on this forum consider it a ‘deal-breaker’ and think I’m going to hades because I attend a church that believes. Do you think people make too big of a deal of the trinity? Can I ask what church you attend? Maybe I haven’t looked far enough or maybe I have overlooked a bible-based church in my community that doesn't believe in the trinity.
Thanks all for your feedback!
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lone-traveler
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Hi Luv,
I cut this little snippet:
| Quote: | | Maybe I haven’t looked far enough or maybe I have overlooked a bible-based church in my community |
In the NT..where is the family church?
Act 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
Act 5:42 And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.
Rom 16:5 Likewise [greet] the church that is in their house. Salute my wellbeloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ.
There's a verse in Isaiah..I always used to think about it because I lived in an apartment complex in Boston. Pretty darn crowded too..
Isa 5:8 Woe unto them that join house to house, [that] lay field to field, till [there be] no place, that they may be placed alone in the midst of the earth!
There's comes a time when we all need some room and space to be with our own thoughts.
Let's take church day..whatever day that means for you or any..makes no difference to me..church is everyday for me..
It's supposed to be a time of joy, a time of peace and solitude between you and God. Where you can go and tell your thoughts and troubles to. You can sing and be thankful, or you can cry and be needful.
But whatever you do is between you and God alone.
Now I can't sing..I can, but it may "offend others" LOL..
So If I go to "a place", that has "many houses" (families) in it, I'm going to want to hmm refrain from giving to God every ounce of song or tears or even anger that I have in myself. I will end up keeping this bottled in myself, because when I went to "church", I wasn't able to give all that I wanted to give.
I feel I will be judged by others, that they won't approve of my thoughts or feelings, and so just to appease them, I will become like them and put on a happy face or a frown or a scowl, because it's expected of me.
I believe your house, your family, is your church. And this is where your tithes and offerings are used most efficiently.
Not to "pay" someone else to "speak", but to "donate" your own time to yourselves, to allow yourself to speak to you, to really listen to what your heart and mind is teaching you.
Men can only teach you things regarding themselves. And they get to stand there and share their thoughts, their ideas, their joy..etc..
And you get to sit there..ssshhh..keep it to yourself, ssshhh..I'm trying to listen to what he has to say...ssshhh
When all the while what's in you wants to come out and be heard to.
So then if we build a house (church), home, family...that is not positioned so close together that we can't even hear our ownselves think, then maybe we could find more peace in ourselves and in the world around us.
Getting together with others who are like minded and enjoy sharing what's happening in their lives is great, but the house (church), home, family...that is right under your own roof is the one God has come to live in on a daily and even hourly basis.
I believe that house is the most important one to tend to for the upkeep and maintenance and fruifulness of it, is right in side your heart, your husbands heart, your childrens heart, under your own roof, and in your own back yard.
Give yourself some space and quietness and time to just talk to God. To just feel free to say whatevers on your mind, to laugh, or cry, or throw a tantrum..
That's what the preachers do for themselves when their on the pulpit..
But the pulpit in your heart is just as important, and what you have to say and think is just as important as any public/private speaker who earns a wage for doing it.
Create your own wages..pay yourself the benefits that you will reap when you spend your time just hanging out with God in your own house (church), home, family.
When you don't go to the church down the street, do you feel as though you neglected them? Do they make you feel guilty.."hey, I didn't see you last week"..
The more time you spend at home with your family, is less neglect with your own church..
and then God can say..I didn't have to pick you out of a crowd this week, and I heard you loud and clear.
This post may not be appropriate for all readers. Some may actually find more peace, more joy, more support going to a church where they feel welcome and invited and not judged..
But maybe it's for those who feel that they are uncomfortable in such settings. That everything they do is judged. That they find no comfort or peace in it..
It's ok..
Because wherever you are God is. And you can't neglect your "responsibilities" If wherever you are you are at peace in him.
just sharing some thoughts
and some hugs with ya Luv,
((HUGS))
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Lone...a lot of truth in this post. We should realize that we are the "church." We are the "Body" of Christ. We should, as you said, be the "Church" everyday of our lives and yes, there is definately a need for that time alone with God. Too often, many neglect that time to their own detriment spiritually. They think that if they "go to church" that is all they need to do. That one hour a week or so should be enough to get them by. Nothing could be further from the truth.
One statement you made troubles though: "When you don't go to the church down the street, do you feel as though you neglected them? Do they make you feel guilty.."hey, I didn't see you last week"..
The more time you spend at home with your family, is less neglect with your own church..
and then God can say..I didn't have to pick you out of a crowd this week, and I heard you loud and clear."
Several points I want to make:
1. I realize that some "churches" may want to use "guilt" but I believe that many may say "he, I didn't see you last week" because they missed the person in fellowship and not just to make them feel guilty about not being there.
2. I really don't think God has trouble picking me out of a crowd or has trouble hearing me whether I'm in a worship service or alone in my truck or alone at home. I think God is able to do that ok just because He's God. Yes, I deliver a "sermon" in the worship services but I believe that God hears every prayer and every voice of praise and sees every person and knows every need.
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| i too enjoyed lone's post, but i do agree with your points pastor... |
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lone-traveler
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Hi Pastor 2022,
| Quote: | Several points I want to make:
1. I realize that some "churches" may want to use "guilt" but I believe that many may say "he, I didn't see you last week" because they missed the person in fellowship and not just to make them feel guilty about not being there.
2. I really don't think God has trouble picking me out of a crowd or has trouble hearing me whether I'm in a worship service or alone in my truck or alone at home. I think God is able to do that ok just because He's God. Yes, I deliver a "sermon" in the worship services but I believe that God hears every prayer and every voice of praise and sees every person and knows every need.
Just my thoughts. Love ya' Sister! |
Pastor, in your own heart you know if when they say "hey, where were you last week", whether they are saying it because they truly did miss you or whether they was just judging your attendence.
Because you will find comfort there just as much as if you were in your own home.
that's why I wrote:
| Quote: | | This post may not be appropriate for all readers. Some may actually find more peace, more joy, more support going to a church where they feel welcome and invited and not judged.. |
If you feel uncomfortable or you find no peace in yourself while you are attending, then in my opinion that peace is the first and foremost important thing a person should seek out. Because you can't share or give to others something you don't already have to share or give.
Then your church pastor2022 sounds like one that I would attend and find peace in it. But there are many churches in the world that only enjoy hearing themselves preach. I was watching a program last night..don't know who it was, but he was telling a story about something that happened between a man and his wife and some leftovers for dinner.
He dragged it out and dragged it out..I lost interest, I didn't even care if I heard the punchline or not.
But in that time that I was investing my hearing and my thoughts into this story that I found hmm..worthless to me, maybe it was worthwhile to others..but it sounded like he was putting down the man's wife's cooking..
I could have been spending more valuable time listening to anything that created peace in me and not..impatience, judgmentalism, I won't say disgust but it was close..
I don't usually watch tv..I just happened to turn it on and see if there was anything worth watching.
I found Extreme Makeover and Oprahs the Big Give..
and I found more peace and more joy in the constructiveness of that program then I did the sermon the preacher was giving.
So even though in the short period of time I was sitting in the pew listening to the preacher..my heart, my thoughts, God was speaking in me..get out of this place..lol..it's dragging you down..come over here and sit with me and I will find something better for you.
Sometimes we just need to listen..to ourselves.
Just my thoughts too..Love you brother!
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YES!!...HOW DARE A PASTOR OR ANY MAN JUDGE A WOMANS COOKING!!....
it is guidelines for being disgusted to even suggest a woman may not do something well...all should fall down and worship her!!...
"OH HOLY COOK OF THE AION'S...please hear our humble plea"...
bwahahahahahahaaha!!!!....
i think one should go to church for what they can offer and not just what they can get out of it...i think if people have that..."waht is in it for me. how does it make me feel"...attitude, then the church is better if that person stays at home...
so many sit and judge the one speakng, condemening him if they think he judges, all the while judging him...it is a sick chain that must be broken man!!!...
also, i find the majority of of churches do not operate in a biblical standard as far as pastorships go, and a pastorship for the most part is nothing but a person wishing to be more than the bible allows for a pastor to be as well as an abuse of the church by one to lazy to do real work most of the time...(not all the time?)...so there was invented extra activities for the position outside of the bibles guidelines that hurts the church with the superstar mentality of one who wishes for more attention then any should have....imo...
how's that for judging?!?..
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Extreme Makeover and the Big Give???  Gotta love ya' Lone! |
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| Tss wrote: | YES!!...HOW DARE A PASTOR OR ANY MAN JUDGE A WOMANS COOKING!!....
it is guidelines for being disgusted to even suggest a woman may not do something well...all should fall down and worship her!!... |
That really wan't the reason why I became impatient though..it was his d..r..a..g..g..i..n..g.. it out..that made me crazy..
like he was just creating this great big anticipation, this show, enjoying everyone hangin on e..v..e..r..y. s..i..n..g..l..e. w..o..r..d. h..e. h..a..d. t..o. s..a..y...
FEED ME MAN, I'M HUNGRY ALREADY. LOL.. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:54 am Post subject: |
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oh i know what you mean...i sat for an hour once and listened to a sermon on how the man's boss was mean to him and his grass would not grow uniformly...
i felt less than spiritually enlightened when it was over...
i listened to a man once go on and on about the gov....i thought i was at a political rally instead of a church worship service....
what is the most wonderful though(t.i.c.)...is when a minister will speak ofr ever on how he has the HOLY SPIRIT, and he knows he does, and the guy from up the street does not because he spirit does not agree with the other man's therefore the other man is not of GOD...
i have heard two messages alongs those lines in my life, from two of the most arrogant men i have ever heard speak...both times it was stomach turning to hear them run the other guy down...on and on...nasty...especially since both times the guy being ran down was me and i was sitting right there....
bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!..... |
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