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atoz
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 Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:44 pm Post subject: The Word of God on Love of God & Neighbour as Myself. |
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PART 1.
1. Matthew 4:
4 But he answered and said,
It is written,
Man shall not live by bread alone,
but
by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Luke 4:
4 And Jesus answered him,
saying,
It is written,
That man shall not live by bread alone,
but
by every word of God.
2. Matthew 6:
33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God,
and his righteousness;
and all these things shall be added unto you.
Matthew 22:
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him,
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments
hang
all the law and the prophets.
3. Matthew 7:
12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them:
for this is the law and the prophets.
with all Love and Respect,
atoz
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trettep
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| Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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Great verses atoz. Doing unto others as we want done unto us is a sure sign of detecting those that have the Spirit. Just look in this forum and see the blasphemy of those that claim to be His but do not what He does.
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eleven
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| Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| trettep wrote: | Great verses atoz. Doing unto others as we want done unto us is a sure sign of detecting those that have the Spirit. Just look in this forum and see the blasphemy of those that claim to be His but do not what He does.
Paul |
Luke 18: 9-14
The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector
9To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable: 10"Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'
13"But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'
14"I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted." |
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trettep
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| Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| eleven wrote: | | trettep wrote: | Great verses atoz. Doing unto others as we want done unto us is a sure sign of detecting those that have the Spirit. Just look in this forum and see the blasphemy of those that claim to be His but do not what He does.
Paul |
Luke 18: 9-14
The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector
9To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable: 10"Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'
13"But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'
14"I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted." |
Great verses elevan.
Paul |
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beloved57
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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atoz post:
| Quote: | Matthew 22:
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him,
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. |
Just remember Love to God is 1st..
We show our love to God over men when men despise and pervert Gods word, then the distinction is evident..
ps 139:
19Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: depart from me therefore, ye bloody men.
20For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain.
21Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
22I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.
Dont run off the mouth talking about living off every word of God and then reject the portions you dont like, thats hypocrisy.. |
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atoz
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| trettep wrote: | Great verses atoz. Doing unto others as we want done unto us is a sure sign of detecting those that have the Spirit. Just look in this forum and see the blasphemy of those that claim to be His but do not what He does.
Paul |
Thanx Paul!
Just to encourage:
Since the Golden Rule is based on the 2 Laws of Love,
to do unto others as I wd have them do to me,
I first have to do to myself as I wd have others do to me!
So I have to love me as a blasphemer in order to love me as God loves sinners called blasphemers, and to love other blasphemers as myself and to teach them to do unto me as I have done unto myself and unto them!
So the first blasphemy is to hate blasphemers, which Hate is how we blaspheme against the Love that is the Holy Spirit of the mind of God!
When I hate you as a blasphemer, I am blaspheming against God's Love for you as a sinner whom God loves as Himself!
What do you think?
With the Love that makes Hatred for any word the sin of blasphemy against God who is Love,
Atoz
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"The person who discovered The Law of Love
was a far greater scientist than any of our modern scientists."
MKGANDHI
“Pure mathematics is, in its way, the poetry of logical ideas.”
Albert Einstein
“Love sought is good, but given unsought is better.”
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atoz
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| beloved57 wrote: | atoz post:
| Quote: | Matthew 22:
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him,
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. |
Just remember Love to God is 1st..
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Atoz: We don't put God first by putting God first since God also puts Himself last.
So we can only put God first by putting first the Love that God puts first and says we are to put first!smile
With the Perfect 100% Love for all words & their oppositenemies,
which Love puts God first
even when He puts Himself last, John 13,
or
even when we put him last, as in sex, smile
and
that makes my mouth motor on and spout even it is off and out,smile
and
makes perfect Hatred for any word or person or thing ZERO Hatred,
and
makes perfect Hatred for the sin of hating any word or person or thing 100% Hatred,
Atoz
_________________
"The person who discovered The Law of Love
was a far greater scientist than any of our modern scientists."
MKGANDHI
“Pure mathematics is, in its way, the poetry of logical ideas.”
Albert Einstein
“Love sought is good, but given unsought is better.”
William Shakespeare, 12th Night |
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Yehushuan
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| trettep wrote: | | Just look in this forum and see the blasphemy of those that claim to be His but do not what He does. |
You mean like wanting people to burn in hell?
Or wanting people to accurately understand Romans chapter two?
Yehu
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beloved57
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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atoz says
| Quote: | | Atoz: We don't put God first by putting God first since God also puts Himself last. |
explain this none sense , you taking scripture out of context to support your xxxxxx doctrine..
What you mean he puts himself last ?
| Quote: | | So we can only put God first by putting first the Love that God puts first and says we are to put first!smile |
Love to God is First above all humans..
Matt 22:
36Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38This is the first and great commandment.
Unless you bow to scripture there is no light in you..
| Quote: | With the Perfect 100% Love for all words & their oppositenemies,
which Love puts God first
even when He puts Himself last, John 13,
or
even when we put him last, as in sex, smile
and
that makes my mouth motor on and spout even it is off and out,smile
and
makes perfect Hatred for any word or person or thing ZERO Hatred,
and
makes perfect Hatred for the sin of hating any word or person or thing 100% Hatred,
Atoz |
Whatever this mess is you are trying to articulate , its just that mess..
God does not love everyone in the world , for He hates the wicked seed of satan ps 5: 5
5The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
He hates the non elect rom 9:
11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
12It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
The non elect are born under a curse and will be cast into hell cursed..
2 pet 2:
Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
matt 25:
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
You appear to be cursed too with your man made religon.. |
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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You know what's interesting..?
God catches us off guard when we least expect it ..lol.
Like, in the OT the last thing we read is God is coming with vengence to destroy everything in the world ..
Isa 13:6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD [is] at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
and what happens?
Jesus comes and saves the sinners...
Isa 55:8 ¶ For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Isa 55:9 For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
| Quote: | | 5The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity. |
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
If God hates all workers of iniquity then why did God commend his love towards us while still sinners or workers of iniquity?
commendeth:
1) to place together, to set in the same place,to bring or band together
a) to stand with (or near)
2) to set one with another
a) by way of presenting or introducing him
b) to comprehend
3) to put together by way of composition or combination, to teach by combining and comparing
a) to show, prove, establish, exhibit
4) to put together, unite parts into one whole
a) to be composed of, consist
Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable [are] his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
Rom 11:34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
Rom 11:35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
Rom 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, [are] all things: to whom [be] glory for ever. Amen.
| Quote: | | The non elect are born under a curse and will be cast into hell cursed.. |
It was the sinners who were elected to be witnesses of God's grace and mercy.
So what your saying then is that those who were already righteous will be cast into hell?
hmm..never thought of it that way.. 
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atoz
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:55 am Post subject: |
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| beloved57 wrote: |
atoz says
| Quote: | | Atoz: We don't put God first by putting God first since God also puts Himself last. |
explain this none sense , you taking scripture out of context to support your xxxxxx doctrine..
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atoz: B57, What happened? U sound so angry, so rude.
Still love you.
I love that 'none sense' for nonsense!smile
The sense that this none sense makes
is found
in John 13:1-17
when and where
God put himself last
and
put humans first,
while still putting God first by putting LOVE for the first and last into practice at all times as God commands. See Matthew 22:36-40 and 5:43-48.
See 2 Corin 12:9-10 for how God does this first and last none sense thing with all opposites: weak and strong, perfect and imperfect, etc and etc.smile
| beloved57 wrote: |
What you mean he puts himself last ?
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atoz: Another example is when JC died: He put us first and put himself last. OR, God put us first and put JC last---so that we were saved and JC died.
It was ladies, er, ah, humans first!smile
Do you think God is a gentleman?
Wdn't he put Humans first sometimes and put Himself last when the way was clear,
and also put himself first when there was danger?
| beloved57 wrote: |
| Quote: | | So we can only put God first by putting first the Love that God puts first and says we are to put first!smile |
Love to God is First above all humans..
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atoz: Exactly! And God puts Love first and above Himself too since he OBEYS his own Law of Love!!!!
| beloved57 wrote: |
Matt 22:
36Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38This is the first and great commandment.
Unless you bow to scripture there is no light in you..
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atoz: exactly!
And the light is Love. 1 john 1:5 and 4:8, 16.
And the first law or word of scripture that God bows to and commands us to bow to is-----LOVE!
| beloved57 wrote: |
| Quote: | With the Perfect 100% Love for all words & their oppositenemies,
which Love puts God first
even when He puts Himself last, John 13,
or
even when we put him last, as in sex, smile
and
that makes my mouth motor on and spout even it is off and out,smile
and
makes perfect Hatred for any word or person or thing ZERO Hatred,
and
makes perfect Hatred for the sin of hating any word or person or thing 100% Hatred,
Atoz |
Whatever this mess is you are trying to articulate , its just that mess..
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atoz; Now you're sounding better!smile
Yes, God blesses messes with Love,
so we can eat in Love in the Mess-Hall,
then go mess in Love in the bath-rom-stall!smile
| beloved57 wrote: |
God does not love everyone in the world , for He hates the wicked seed of satan
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atoz: So you saying God breaks His Own law of Love?
U saying that God does not bown down to the Love he wants us to bow down to?
You saying that God breaks his own Golden Rule?
All the following scriptures have to be read in Love, the first law, to be properely understood as God meant it to be understood when he wrote them in Love:
ps 5: 5
5The foolish [WHO HATE FOOLS WHOM GOD LOVES: 1 COR 1:25-28] shall not stand in thy sight:
thou hatest [THE SIN OF HATRED FOR SINNERS IN: MT 5:43-48] all workers of iniquity.
He hates [THE SIN OF HATRED IN THE ELECT AND IN] the non elect rom 9:
11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
12It was said [IN LOVE OF BOTH THE OLD AND YOUNG]unto her,
The elder shall serve the younger [IN LOVE OF THE YOUNGER AND IN LOVE OF BEING BOTH MASTER AND SERVANT!].
13As it is written [IN LOVE OF ALL WORDS AND THEIR OPPOSITES],
Jacob have I loved [AND BLESSED IN LOVE OF THOSE WHOME I CURSE],
but Esau have I [LOVED BUT CURSED IN LOVE, WHICH MAKES IT LOOK AS IF I HATE HIM, AND SO I WILL CALL IT AS THO I] hated [ESAU! SEE ROMANS 4:17].
| beloved57 wrote: |
The non elect are born under a curse and will be cast into hell cursed. |
atoz: you eman:
The non elect are born under a curse [IN LOVE OF THE BLESSED AND THE CURSED] and will be cast into hell cursed..[IF GOD DID NOT LOVE THEM AND WD NOT SHOW THEM HOW TO LOVE! BUT SINCE GOD LOVES ALL, HE WILL SAVE ALL IN LOVE! ROMANS 11:26. JOHN 3:16]
2 pet 2: means
Having eyes full of adultery [WHICH ARE EYES FILLED WITH THE ADULTERATED MIXTURE OF LOVE MIXED WITH HATE],
and that cannot cease from [THE] sin [OF HATRED FOR ONE AND LOVE FOR THE OTHER, OR VICE VERSA: MT 5:43-48];
beguiling unstable souls [OF A LOVE-HATE INSTABILITY AS PER JAMES 1:2 AND 2 SAMUAL 13:15]:
an heart they have exercised with covetous practices [which is a heart that wants on thing it loves out of Hate for the opposite WHILE God commands us to want one thing out of Love for its opposite or enemy!Mt :43-48];
cursed children:[cursed with hatred for cursers and the cursed which means they hate God who curses---in Love!
matt 25:
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels [IF GOD DID NOT BOW DOWN TO LOVE, HIS OWN LAW!]:
| beloved57 wrote: |
You appear to be cursed too with your man made religon.. |
ATOZ: I know what you mean: I am cursed with the Blessing of Love that turns messes into blesses--while at this time, you hate messes and so can't help but also hate the Blessing of Blessed Love that makes
blessings out of messings,
blesses of messes
and more out of less!smile
Where I with Love see blessed stars,
you with Hate see messed bars!sad
But God isn't finished with you, B 57!
Nor me!smile
With the Blessing of Blessed Love that makes
blessings out of messings,
and
sense out of none sense, smile
atoz
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"The person who discovered The Law of Love
was a far greater scientist than any of our modern scientists."
MKGANDHI
“Pure mathematics is, in its way, the poetry of logical ideas.”
Albert Einstein
“Love sought is good, but given unsought is better.”
William Shakespeare, 12th Night |
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pastor2022
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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Atoz...dear friend...you've got to stop being so verbose with your verbage! Start shortening some of your posts please. Thanks. God bless.
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bobf
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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Amen atoz, I'm with you all the way!
Matthew 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
So do I love Esau or hate Esau? Seems an ez choice to me.
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? 47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Romans 9? Hosea 2 - God "hating" his harlot wife as a vessel of no mercy so that in love He can gather her to Him again as a veseel of mercy as Romans 9 "also saith".
As far as loving God first. We love God first by doing what God says including loving our neighbor and our enemy. When we love or hate the least of Christ's brethren we do the same to Christ and to the Father. Hence why the second commandment is "like" the first and no commandment is greater than either of these two. |
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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the second command is like unto it because it is the same as the first...both are saying the same thing...
love GOD as GOD...
love GOD as yourself...
it is that simple... 
side note:
GOD in the n.t. killed a couple for lying to HIM...we are not to kill people for lying to us...
"can't...get it...trying hard...can't see it...no light...no light....where is the light?..."
here it is...
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bobf
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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| theseldomscene wrote: | | the second command is like unto it because it is the same as the first...both are saying the same thing... |
Amen. Love God by loving others as ourself and thus obeying God's command.
| Quote: | | GOD in the n.t. killed a couple for lying to HIM...we are not to kill people for lying to us... |
God killeth & God maketh alive. Not something we can do.
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