The Word of God on Love of God & Neighbour as Myself.

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

ps...like judgement begins at the house of GOD thing...perhaps...

MoJo · Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:03 pm Post subject:

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

i agree...while the bible does say GOD once winked at ignorance but now requires repentence..

i also remember reading paul talking about what he did before GOD called him.... how he persecuted the church but said he was forgiven because he did it in ignorance and unbelief.....

so there does seem to be some degree of lee way(at least in this life) for those who don't know or claim HIS name...

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

ps...i found the wink thing...it is from acts 17...paul said...

22Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.

23For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.

24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

27That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:

28For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

29Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device( i think about annaias' money).

30And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

31Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

the reds together point to something here imo..

so they can go on in ignorant worship and unrepentence...but there is a day appointed in which they will answer...they should be able to know JESUS and who HE is, but their judgement for rejection is set for a certain day HE has appointed....

so i am also at this point leaning towards...

where more is given...more is required....

Yehushuan · Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:30 pm Post subject:

Act 5:5 KJV And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.Yet it does not say that God took his ghost, but that Ananias gave up his own ghost, most likely out of fear arising from the realization that he did indeed lie to God.

“But hearing these words, Ananias falling down expired.”

εξεψυξεν (expired or gave up the ghost) is aorist active indicative, meaning he did it himself. Were the expiration to have been done to him, the passive voice would be written (falling, he was expired).

Nothing is said in the text about God doing anything. Rather, the event may even be laid at the feet of Peter himself rather than God:

Act 5:12 KJV And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people; (and they were all with one accord in Solomon's porch.

However, I hold the view that Ananias and his wife died because they themselves expected to – it was in accordance with their faith, as Jesus said,

Mat 9:29 KJV … According to your faith be it unto you.

Perhaps they did not have faith enough to allow themselves to be forgiven.

Yehu

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

perhaps...

but from reading the story, he or his wife...did not have a lot of time to say..."i'm sorry"...

saphira(?) barely got to answer a question before she...

expired....like an out of date license...

Yehushuan · Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:41 pm Post subject:

atoz · Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:59 pm Post subject:

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

but friend it says nothing about them expecting GOD to kill htem...

acts 5:9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.

10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.

doesn't sound like she had much to do with it to me...sounds more like peter(peter's faith) told her she was going to die for tempting the SPRIT of the LORD and she did...regardless of her feelings on it, if she had any...from what we are told...

atoz · Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 3:02 pm Post subject:

MoJo · Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:35 pm Post subject:

I think tss has a point. Especially given Peter basically predicted Sapphira's demise.

Smile

atoz · Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:13 am Post subject:

PART 1.

1.
Matthew 4:
4 But he answered and said,
It is written,
Man shall not live by bread alone,
but
by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Luke 4:
4 And Jesus answered him,
saying,
It is written,
That man shall not live by bread alone,
but
by every word of God.

2.
Matthew 6:
33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God,
and his righteousness;
and all these things shall be added unto you.

Matthew 22:
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37 Jesus said unto him,
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it,

Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments
hang
all the law and the prophets.

3.
Matthew 7:
12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them:
for this is the law and the prophets.

PART 2.

4.
Matthew 5:
43 Ye have heard that it hath been said,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour,
and
hate thine enemy.

44 But I say unto you,
Love [your neighbors
and
love] your enemies,
bless them that curse you,
do good to them that hate you,
and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven:

for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil
and
on the good,
and sendeth rain on the just
and
on the unjust.

46 For if ye love them which love you
[and
hate them who hate you],
what reward have ye?
do not even the publicans the same?

47 And if ye salute your brethren only
[and
do not salute strangers],
what do ye more than others?
do not even the publicans so?

48 Be ye therefore perfect,
even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

5.
Matthew 6:
24 No man can serve two masters:
for either he will hate the one,
and
love the other;
or else he will hold to the one,
and
despise the other.
Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

6.
John 15:
9As the Father hath loved me,
so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.

7.
Philippians 2:
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

8.
1 John 4:
19 We love him,
because he first loved us.

with all Love and Respect,
atoz

holly102869 · Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 8:22 am Post subject:

atoz,

It is nice to see that the world has not changed you.
Your words speak volumes.
I have really missed so many of you at this site.
It is good to be home.