John 11:35

JonMarie · Bear Cub Joined: 18 Feb 2008 Posts: 641 Location: Pa.

(John 11:35- Jesus wept) why did Jesus weep here in this paticular context? and does He weep for us today for the same reason?

Yehushuan · Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:09 am Post subject:

There are some of us within the Pentecostal tradition that have experienced the anointing of the Holy Ghost to such an extent that we cannot stand up. At times the power is so heavy upon us that we can hardly move even to speak. On certain occasions there is a joy so overwhelming that we can hardly catch our breath from uncontrollable laughter, and people think we are drunk.

Then there is the prophet’s travail. A grief so all encompassing that we do not cry, we flat out wail. Yet this is not to express personal human emotion from some cause. This is a near physical reaction, an expression of the anointing of the Holy Ghost when great power comes upon us, usually in conjunction with a great disease that needs to be healed, whether in the body or in the human spirit of another. This is not a common experience among men or even believers, yet even I can hardly imagine what Jesus must have felt when the power of the anointing of the Holy Ghost came upon Him to the extent that He could raise Lazarus from the dead after four days.

Yehu
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wilber · Banned Joined: 20 Dec 2007 Posts: 581

Here's my cut JonMarie:

I believe we have this record to show that God, in human form, not only understands the human condition but empathises with us. He shares our suffering, He suffers with us. I believe that Jesus felt the predicamant of the whole of humanity: sorrow, grief and death. He wept for the human condition which was vividly portrayed in the circumstance described. He wept for you and for me.

eleven · Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:15 am Post subject:

atoz · Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:56 am Post subject: Re: John 11:35

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

[quote="Yehushuan"]

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

you know the more i consider the question the more i like it...

does anyone think if JESUS had not wept, it would have changed anything to do with the story or the rasing of laz?...

knuckle · Young Wolf Joined: 18 Sep 2006 Posts: 501

Hi TSS-----------

Why did Jesus weep?

Joh 11:32 Then when Mary was come where Jesus was, and saw him, she fell down at his feet, saying unto him, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.

Do you see it Cap'n?

Not the faith,yes,the faith is there but it is the blame.Man kind cries out to God WHY---"God, I know you're able. But where were you when this cancer took mom? Where were you when little Billy got hit by that drunk driver? When the baby miscarried Lord, you're able. Where were you? When the towers fell, Lord. You're able. Where were you?"

Mary and Martha were not with Jesus when He told the disciples This sickness will not end in death. No, it is for God's glory so that God's Son may be glorified through it.The sisters didn't hear Christ after He spoke of Satan's destruction say "Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep, but I am going there to wake him up."

God knows.He always knows. He understands the pain and misery of this thing called life,He always has.He provided the answer to it The end all cure all for the pain that is the human condition by dying nailed to a cross and yet the moment life gets rough we answer with "God-- Where were you"and He was standing there all the time.

much love----------knuckle

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

hey knuckle,
i enjoyed that post btw...and we are sort of on the same track here i think possibly anyway....

so do you think had JESUS not wept, it would have made no difference in the mirace that followed...?...

i promise, it is not a trick question, but there is a reason i am asking....

like check this out first though and think of pharoah's daughter as GOD and moses as JESUS...

ex2:26And when she had opened it, she saw the child: and, behold, the babe wept. And she had compassion on him, and said, This is one of the Hebrews' children.

compassion...that is where i am headed...please, i do have more than that verse, but just thought the little comparison was cool...

you see...look what happens when JESUS is moved with compassion...patience please i am just getting started here...but i have been studying and dealing with this very issue in john 11:35 for months now(i will spare you the why's to why i have been doing that...personal thing)...and am kind of certain compassion made HIM weep, and when HE was moved by compassion, miracles always followed...check this out...

matt.9:35And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

36But when he saw the multitudes, he was moved with compassion on them, because they fainted, and were scattered abroad, as sheep having no shepherd.

37Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few;

ok ok...it gets better...

matt 14:14And Jesus went forth, and saw a great multitude, and was moved with compassion toward them, and he healed their sick.

15And when it was evening, his disciples came to him, saying, This is a desert place, and the time is now past; send the multitude away, that they may go into the villages, and buy themselves victuals.

16But Jesus said unto them, They need not depart; give ye them to eat.

17And they say unto him, We have here but five loaves, and two fishes.

18He said, Bring them hither to me.

same in matt 15...

Matthew 15:31 Insomuch that the multitude wondered, when they saw the dumb to speak, the maimed to be whole, the lame to walk, and the blind to see: and they glorified the God of Israel.

32Then Jesus called his disciples unto him, and said, I have compassion on the multitude, because they continue with me now three days, and have nothing to eat: and I will not send them away fasting, lest they faint in the way.

33And his disciples say unto him, Whence should we have so much bread in the wilderness, as to fill so great a multitude?19And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the grass, and took the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed, and brake, and gave the loaves to his disciples, and the disciples to the multitude.

matt.20:29 And as they departed from Jericho, a great multitude followed him.

30And, behold, two blind men sitting by the way side, when they heard that Jesus passed by, cried out, saying, Have mercy on us, O Lord, thou son of David.

31And the multitude rebuked them, because they should hold their peace: but they cried the more, saying, Have mercy on us, O Lord, thou son of David.

32And Jesus stood still, and called them, and said, What will ye that I shall do unto you?

33They say unto him, Lord, that our eyes may be opened.

34So Jesus had compassion on them, and touched their eyes: and immediately their eyes received sight, and they followed him.

mark 1:40 And there came a leper to him, beseeching him, and kneeling down to him, and saying unto him, If thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.

41And Jesus, moved with compassion, put forth his hand, and touched him, and saith unto him, I will; be thou clean.

42And as soon as he had spoken, immediately the leprosy departed from him, and he was cleansed.

now look at this from luke...

lk 7:12Now when he came nigh to the gate of the city, behold, there was a dead man carried out, the only son of his mother, and she was a widow: and much people of the city was with her.

13And when the Lord saw her, he had compassion on her, and said unto her, Weep not.

14And he came and touched the bier: and they that bare him stood still. And he said, Young man, I say unto thee, Arise.

i think HE cried out of compassion...i think crying demonstrates HIS compassion...and when HE was moved with compassion...GREAT things happened...

when the church ...HIS true body...gets full of and moved by compassion...

GREAT THINGS WILL HAPPEN....

compassion opens the door for SPIRITual gifts to flow...imo...

compassion makes miracles...

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

sorry double post...i was trying to fix a typo and must have hit the quote and not the edit button... Rolling Eyes

knuckle · Young Wolf Joined: 18 Sep 2006 Posts: 501

Hi Cap'n-----------

This is something I have also thought about and I want your take on it.

A few days before going to Bethany Jesus presents the Pharisees with the parable of Lazarus and the rich man.

The rich man says to Father Abraham, "Would you please let that poor beggar go back to my family and tell them about the consequences of their evil life?" And Father Abraham says, "If they would not believe Moses and the Prophets, they will not believe even if one should rise from the dead."

So what happens when one does return from the dead?Do the Pharisees get it?Do they suddenly put the Lazarus from the parable together with this miracle and fall prostrate before the Son of God? NO!! they plot to kill both Jesus and Lazarus

much love----------knuckle

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

maybe they thought laz and JESUS was in it together faking it all...to deceive...

or maybe they were just jealous and scared of losing their followers and power and with it income...

or maybe they(phar.) just did not really like either one of them very much personally...like laz and HIM annoyed them or something....so they (phar.)thought it would be better if laz and JESUS were no longer around...

or maybe they were worried such and event would spark a rebellion among the people and bring the downfall of the struggling nation...

or maybe it was something else even...

either way it was bad...that is my take...

knuckle · Young Wolf Joined: 18 Sep 2006 Posts: 501

hi all-------------

had Jesus raised the "rich man" instead would the Pharisees still been inclined to kill them?

much love----------knuckle

atoz · Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 5:26 am Post subject:

trettep · Lion Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Posts: 910