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admin
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 Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:27 pm Post subject: The God Delusion - Richard Dawkins |
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| I'm up to chapter 5 of The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins. Was wondering if any other members had read or are reading this book - and what your thoughts were. |
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Yehushuan
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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I'll have to head down to the library tomorrow and see if it's available for checkout.
Yehu |
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atoz
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:50 am Post subject: Re: The God Delusion - Richard Dawkins |
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| admin wrote: | | I'm up to chapter 5 of The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins. Was wondering if any other members had read or are reading this book - and what your thoughts were. |
Hi Admin,
Hope you are enjoying that slow boat to China!smile
Having read R Lavey, u have already read RD!
Having read his book, The Selfish Gene, which shd have been correctly titled, the Self-Hate-ish Gene,
someone once asked RD:
Why do you bother to get up in the morning?
So I hope this spices you up with even more of the Love that makes The GD even more enjoyable on that long boatride!smile
Due to the self-Hate that RD espouses,
if you have read one RD book,
you have read them all.
RD's prejudice of Hatred against God and theists is the same in this book as the rest,
and
exposes Richard's self-Delusion that he can hate others without also priorly hating himself and atheists, and without making at least an other RD:
The Religion Delusion.
“If you hate a person,
you hate something in him that is part of yourself.
What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us.” Hermann Hesse
As a kid, he was very fearful in Hate of ants:
he is
still running in Hate from himself as phob-ant
and
still running in Hate into himself as ignor-ant and as import-ant.smile
So if you read the GD with that in mind: that it is really all about RD's Hate of himself as God:
then it makes perfect sense
that a person who hates himself as God
would automatically hate God as himself
and
so cdn't help himself from
self-defeatingly and self-deludingly
expending energy and time and resources
writing a book
which gives more publicity to the very God he hates himself as and whom he denies exists!
hmmmmmmmmmmm
Notice the book's cover and which word is the biggest by far.
His book wd have been more appropriately titled with yet another RD:
The RD: The Richard Delusion.
Another title cd have been:
The RD: The Resenter's Delusion.
The best title wd have been:
The HD: The Hate Delusion.
Now if only someone, anyone, can get RD to stop talking and start listening to and reading HH!
"We insist that life must have a meaning-- but it can have no more meaning than we ourselves are able to give it.
Because individuals can do this only imperfectly, the religions and philosophers have tried to supply a comforting answer to the question.
The answers all amount to the same thing:
Love alone can give life meaning.
In other words:
The more capable we are of loving, and of giving ourselves,
the more meaning there will be in our lives."
Herman Hesse
Story done.
Story just begining!smile
with all of the LTD: Love's Timeless Delusion
for myself as deluded and as all words and as RD,
and so automatically also
for RD as all words and as deluded as me,
atoz |
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admin
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 5:40 am Post subject: |
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| So far I've found Dawkins points to be well laid out and easy to understand in layman's language. |
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Plotinus
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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| admin wrote: | | So far I've found Dawkins points to be well laid out and easy to understand in layman's language. |
Although I am no Dawkins groupie, I think his powers of exposition are superb. I have a copy of his book "Climbing Mount Improbable" which is very well written. I haven't read his book The God Delusion (yet) although I saw his documentary The Root of All Evil. The documentary didn't tell me anything about religion that I didn't already know--the extreme forms of all institutions are easy to attack, religion included. In the documentary, Dawkins lays things out in simple black and white terms. Great if you think things are black and white. |
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Jamtomorrow
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| I do wonder what makes Dawkins tick, other than a narcissistic attachment to his public image. When I was an undergrad his public profile in our college largely depended upon his adventures in another sphere of human activity; let's just say that female undergraduates had to be, er, circumspect in tutorials. |
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atoz
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PLO:
Based on RD's attitude of Hatred and Disrespect of himself as certain words, there are 2 things:
He could be even greater with Love of himself as all words and use the leverage of that Love to say most with the least expenditure of ontological energy.
He must have to over-expend a lot of energy, too much energy, to write so much so well.
JT:
Do you mean those tutored females had to
be circum-spect
by circum-scribing,
if not
by wholly circum-cising, RD? smile
But RD has to go there to get the Love he won't give himself for free unconditionally.
To him, Love is conditioned on sex: so no sex, no Love. So to him, sex means Love, and more sex means more Love. So it has to be sex by all means at all times in order to get what he really needs for free: Love of himself. There is no escape from the dynamic he was created with: he has to get that Love.
He probably knows but has not paid attention to the Beatles: Can't Buy Me Love! Neither money nor sex nor fame nor notoriety any condition can buy us Love!
So RD's problem is not narcissism/selflovism but is self-misanthropism/selfhatism. It's not that he loves himself much --he doesn't!--but that he hates himself too much--which Hate for self is why he hates all others as himself.
With the lever of unconditional Love,
Atoz |
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admin
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| Am almost finished with the book. I don't seem him as hateful. I think what he has written is beautiful. |
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atoz
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| admin wrote: | | Am almost finished with the book. I don't seem him as hateful. I think what he has written is beautiful. |
Glad you had a beautiful read, BA!
I see RD as also hateful of himself & others, and also as ugly, and I love him too!
With the Love that transforms Hate into Love and uglity into beauty,
atoz |
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admin
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Have you read this book? |
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Jamtomorrow
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| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:35 am Post subject: |
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| admin wrote: | | I think what he has written is beautiful. |
That's interesting. In what respect? |
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atoz
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| admin wrote: | | Have you read this book? |
Scanned it.
What RD wrote about Deserved Respect & Undeserved Respect said all I needed to know about his Disrespect for himself, for evolution, for creation, for creationists, for evolutionists, and for the delusional, the delusioned and the underserved.
With ever-deserved unconditional Love and Respect for myself as RD as all words and their opposites,
Atoz |
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admin
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| Jamtomorrow wrote: | | admin wrote: | | I think what he has written is beautiful. |
That's interesting. In what respect? |
What is beautiful to me, is that he has taken the time to address the common man. Many scientists only work in their own domains and can't really be bothered with regular folks. I mean that just in the respect that they are focused on their work and it is so much work bringing the layman up to speed on things - it's just not worth their time.
In particular I have contacted several scientists to try and clear up misinformation in some areas of pseudoscience that is wide spread in some new age churches - but none would work on it. They wouldn't work on it because they can't control what the general population thinks - even if it's garbage. They have their work to do.
Richard Dawkins has the curious charge of addressing the general public on areas of science. He does it in a way which I think is easy to understand, and he has many excellent points.
I think to discount what he has to say is a shame.
With the God's Delusion book - he is very specifically addressing many points of confusion with laymen when it comes to science and religion.
What is beautiful to me - is that he is taking the time to talk about these things in detail to us. And he's not talking about points that necessarily interest him - he's talking about points that are mainstream concerns and thoughts. |
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Jamtomorrow
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| admin wrote: | | Jamtomorrow wrote: | | admin wrote: | | I think what he has written is beautiful. |
That's interesting. In what respect? |
What is beautiful to me, is that he has taken the time to address the common man. Many scientists only work in their own domains and can't really be bothered with regular folks. |
You must be one of those glass-half-full types, admin! For myself, I fear that Dawkins condescends to communicate with the common man not out of compassion, but out of a fairly shrewd apprehension that if he is to win fame amongst the general public, it's better done by addressing the common man rather than the intellectual, scientific or religious elite. I have him down for a would-be demagogue. |
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Jamtomorrow
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| atoz wrote: |
JT:
Do you mean those tutored females had to
be circum-spect
by circum-scribing,
if not
by wholly circum-cising, RD? smile
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A fine idea, Atoz! |
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