Matt 24

MoJo · Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:04 am Post subject: Matt 24

I did some studying of Matt 24 which I haven't finished yet, but ran across some interesting things along the way which blessed my understanding.

A little background on what led to this study; I was pondering on the word footstool.

Strongs
Hebrew 01916 - to stamp upon
Greek 5286 - to subject; to reduce one's power - a metaphor taken from the practice of conquerors who placed their feet on the necks of the conquered

So where in scripture do we see this stamping upon?

2Sa 22:1 ¶ And David spake unto the LORD the words of this song in the day [that] the LORD had delivered him out of the hand of all his enemies, and out of the hand of Saul:

2Sa 22:41 Thou hast also given me **the necks** of mine enemies, that I might destroy them that hate me.

2Sa 22:43 Then did I beat them as small as the dust of the earth, **I did stamp them** as the mire of the street, [and] did spread them abroad.

Eze 6:8 ¶ Yet will I leave a remnant, that ye may have [some] that shall escape the sword among the nations, when ye shall be scattered through the countries.
Eze 6:9 And they that escape of you shall remember me among the nations whither they shall be carried captives, because I am broken with their whorish heart, which hath departed from me, and with their eyes, which go a whoring after their idols: and they shall lothe themselves for the evils which they have committed in all their abominations.
Eze 6:10 And they shall know that I [am] the LORD, [and that] I have not said in vain that I would do this evil unto them.

Eze 6:11 ¶ Thus saith the Lord GOD; Smite with thine hand, and stamp with thy foot, and say, Alas for all the evil abominations of the house of Israel! for they shall fall by the sword, by the famine, and by the pestilence.

So that's the picture; the footstool is subjected and reduced in power and stamped upon. Who or what is the footstool? A footstool is where you place your feet, specifically it's your heels that rest on it. It's a place of rest. It's also lower than the rest of the body denoting a lesser authority.

1Ch 28:2 Then David the king stood up upon his feet, and said, Hear me, my brethren, and my people: [As for me], I [had] in mine heart to build an house of rest for the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and for the footstool of our God, and had made ready for the building:

Isa 66:1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven [is] my throne, and the earth [is] my footstool: where [is] the house that ye build unto me? and where [is] the place of my rest?

We can see by the simple connection that the **earth** was where the Lord was supposed to have his house and the resting place of his feet.

Lam 2:1 How hath the Lord covered the daughter of Zion with a cloud in his anger, [and] cast down from heaven ( the place of his throne) unto the earth ( the place of his footstool ) the beauty of Israel, and remembered not his footstool in the day of his anger!

Mat 5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
Mat 5:35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.

Hbr 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Hbr 10:13 From henceforth **expecting** till his enemies be made his footstool.

So let's remember that footstool means stamping and braking in pieces and that the footstool is the earth and that his enemies necks are the place where he will put his feet in victory. IOW, the earth will be made his footstool.

More later.........

MoJo · Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:10 am Post subject:

Further....................

Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
Rev 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: **for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.**

The bride is clothed in righteousness figured by fine white linen.

Who else?

Rev 19:14 And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

IOW, clothed in righteousness. But look who else **was** clothed in fine linen ( but not white? ); Babylon the great

Rev 18:16 And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

This Greek word linen is of Hebrew origin. Strong's 948. The word is buwts, pronounced boots.

def: byssus, a costly, fine white linen cloth made in Egypt. It can be said then, that fine white linen comes out of Egypt.

1Ch 15:27 And David [was] clothed with a robe of fine linen, and all the Levites that bare the ark, and the singers, and Chenaniah the master of the song with the singers: David also [had] upon him an ephod
of linen.

2Ch 3:13 The wings of these cherubims spread themselves forth twenty cubits: and they stood on their feet, and their faces [were] inward.
2Ch 3:14 And he made the vail [of] blue, and purple, and crimson, and fine linen, and wrought cherubims thereon.

2Ch 5:12 Also the Levites [which were] the singers, all of them of Asaph, of Heman, of Jeduthun, with their sons and their brethren, [being] arrayed in white linen, having cymbals and psalteries and harps, stood at the east end of the altar, and with them **an hundred and twenty priests ** sounding with trumpets:)

Now, I have an older strongs concordance which indicates that this hebrew word buwts is related to trampling. In the newer concordances, they don't go beyond defining the word as fine white linen which basically tells us nothing about the symbolism of it. I suppose this is good as we should let the bible define itself. However, we will just keep in mind the question of whether the saints, who are clothed in righteousness, do any trampling.

I also find it interesting that the word is pronounced **boots** Seems to me rather a coincidence. It's also interesting to note that Italy is shaped like a boot with a very high heel. Draw your own conclusions.

Back to why Matt.

Rev 6:9 ¶ And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they [were], should be fulfilled.

Robe Greek 4724
1) an equipment

2) an equipment in clothes, clothing

a) spec. a loose outer garment for men extending to the feet, worn by kings, priests, and persons of rank

Mar 16:4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.
Mar 16:5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.

Rev 7:9 ¶ After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

So there you have it. These which came out of the **great tribulation**

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

You will note that the souls of them under the altar who were slain for the word of God and the testimony are those which **came out** of the great tribulation and are given whites robes after this fact. It's also of note that this is not till the 5th seal is opened. So the question is; what happens before the **the great tribulation** and what is the great tribulation?

Also of note;

Rev 11:3 And I will give [power] unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

No fine white linen here?

More later........

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MoJo · Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:16 am Post subject:

Before I get going on the first verse I'm going to look at in Matt24, I want to correct an error in the previous post; I said **the** great tribulation, but the bible doesn't say **the**, it just says great tribulation. There are only a few verses that use that particular expression;

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Rev 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

In the Matt verse, it refers to some future event shown by the use of the word **then** which means at that time in reference to the previous verses saying when ye shall see the abomination of desolation and the advice to flee.

In Rev 2:22, it also gives the impression, by the expression **I will**, that Jezebel has not yet been cast into great tribulation, but that it is imminent because she did not repent.

In Rev 7:14 the ones under the altar have come out of great tribulation, indicating that great tribulation came somewhere between Rev 2:22 and Rev 7:14 else these would not have come out of it. The question then is what happens before great tribulation and where does it fit into the timing?

The first verse I'm going to look at is Matt 24:4,5. I'm not going to get into the first three verses, but will post them for context.

Mat 24:1 ¶ And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to [him] for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Mat 24:3 ¶ And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what [shall be] the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

The balance of this chapter is in answer to these questions asked privately of Jesus.

Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

So the next discussion will center on what is meant by "coming in my name" and in what manner many will be deceived. The corroborating scriptures are in Luke 21 and Mark 13. I will only refer to them if they add other information to the Matt account.

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trettep · Lion Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Posts: 910

You mentioned Great Tribulation. Do you believe those that go to hell would be subjected to a greater Tribulation? If so then how can there be a greater tribulation if it says "nor ever shall be"?

Paul

MoJo · Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:27 pm Post subject:

MoJo · Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:26 pm Post subject:

On to Matt

Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

First, a note about the many. Although we often tend to lightly skip over these words that don't seem to need explanation, there is something to learn in them. It tells us a little about time. Many is not a few. Many will deceive and many will be deceived. Of neccessity then, many would have to know who Jesus was; to at least have heard of him and his message in order for them to come in his name. Therefore a time factor must be involved. Just to keep this in mind. How many is many? By the writing of 2 John, we see many;

2Jo 1:7 ¶ For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

What does Jesus mean when he says "in my name, saying I am Christ?" To me, this simply means in the same sense as Jesus said of his own ministry. He came in his Father's name, speaking his Father's message and doing the works of his Father's will. He was the Father's representative.

I really can't imagine this meaning that many people would say they were actually **the** Christ. Maybe a few, but not the many. Today, those people are usually confined to a mental facility.

Jesus explains it here;

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

These obviously, profess to have been sent as representatives of Christ and profess to have done wonders and signs in his name. It should be noted that these cannot possibly be atheists who never profess to do anything in the Lord's name. No, these are converted Jews or Christians, which name simply means followers of Christ. They have put themselves forth as apostles and disciples of Christ and his gospel.

You will also note that they **have** done miracles and wonderful works and we will need to visit that issue later. Why then does the Lord say

Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

As Jesus' true followers also were to do wonders and miracles in his name, how does a person tell who truly belongs to Christ? Jesus answers that question; remember he said; be not deceived;

Mat 7:13 ¶ Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Mat 7:15 ¶ Beware of false prophets, which come to you in **sheep's clothing,** but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Eph 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit [is] in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)

IOW, their outward appearance and even the words they speak may appear Christ-like, ( sheep's clothing ) but their hearts are not toward the Lord.

Isa 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near [me] with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

We therefore, as sincere seekers of the truth, need to recognize what is good fruit and what is bad fruit in order to know who the wolves are.

Mat 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

Luk 10:1 ¶ After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come.
Luk 10:3 Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves.

and Paul

Act 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

2Cr 11:13 For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. (claiming to come in his name)
2Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself **is transformed** into an angel of light. ( not can transform, but is transformed )
2Cr 11:15 Therefore [it is] no great thing if **his ministers** (his angels) also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; ( angels of light)whose end shall be according to their works. ( their fruit )

Who are these false apostles?

2Cr 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
2Cr 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or [if] ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with [him].

Rom 16:17 ¶ Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
Rom 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Strong's definition of philosophy;

1) love of wisdom

a) used either of zeal for or skill in any art or science, any branch of knowledge. Used once in the NT of the theology, or rather theosophy, of certain Jewish Christian ascetics, which busied itself with refined and speculative enquiries into the nature and classes of angels, into the ritual of the Mosaic law and the regulations of Jewish tradition respecting practical life

vain deceit after the tradition of men;

Mat 15:7 [Ye] hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
Mat 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with [their] lips; but their heart is far from me.
Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.

Strong's vain;
1) empty, vain, devoid of truth

a) of places, vessels, etc. which contain nothing

b) of men

1) empty handed

2) without a gift

c) metaph. destitute of spiritual wealth, of one who boasts of his faith as a transcendent possession, yet is without the fruits of faith

d) metaph. of endeavours, labours, acts, which result in nothing, vain, fruitless, without effect

1) vain of no purpose

Time for a break....... to be continued;

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MoJo · Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:01 am Post subject:

Lily, would you mind if I sectioned this into two threads so that we can keep the flow of Matt 24 while discussing these offshoots as well? Both are great studies.

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MoJo · Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:37 pm Post subject:

Let's take a look at Strong's deceive as used in Matt;

1) to cause to stray, to lead astray, lead aside from the right way

a) to go astray, wander, roam about

2) metaph.

a) to lead away from the truth, to lead into error, to deceive

b) to be led into error

c) to be led aside from the path of virtue, to go astray, sin

d) to sever or fall away from the truth

1) of heretics

e) to be led away into error and sin

So as another lead, we can look at being led astray and certainly this is appropriate to the metaphor of being lost sheep.

Jer 50:6 My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away [on] the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.

Here we have an example of both the deceivers and the deceived. The shepherds have caused the sheep to be deceived.

Isa 56:11 Yea, [they are] greedy dogs [which] can never have enough, and they [are] shepherds [that] cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.

Eze 34:2 Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto the shepherds; Woe [be] to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks?

Eze 34:8 [As] I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely because my flock became a prey, and my flock became meat to every beast of the field, because [there was] no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flock;

So, in regards to Israel, the people followed their shepherds or leaders and teachers. It was pointed out to me that when you read the history of the kings of Israel and Judah, that they were up and down like a yo-yo. If the king was obedient to God, all the high places and groves of Baal were torn down, but the very next king who was not obedient would just build them again. This happened so many times it would make your head spin. And it would seem that all the time, the people just followed along like sheep.

We can certainly see that the same thing was to happen in Christianity.

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Interestingly, this word heresies is exactly the same word used for sect.

It's probably a good place just to emphasize that the danger lies in those who are supposedly our brethern.

deceivers in "his name"

Rev 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

This leads us to 1John 4:1

1Jo 4:1 ¶ Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Which leads us to Jeremiah

Jer 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.

Now this is an interesting point because this is saying that the Lord has **not** sent them nor commanded them to speak lies in his name.

Jhn 8:44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Jer 23:16 ¶ Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, [and] not out of the mouth of the LORD.

Note the next two verses;

Jer 23:19 Behold, a whirlwind of the LORD is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked.
Jer 23:20 The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly.

By this we know that at least some of the prophesies given in Jeremiah concern the latter days.

Jer 23:21 ¶ I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.

Jer 23:25 I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed.

Jer 23:30 ¶ Therefore, behold, I [am] against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour.
Jer 23:31 Behold, I [am] against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith

Jer 23:32 Behold, I [am] against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD.

Jer 23:36 And the burden of the LORD shall ye mention no more: for every man's word shall be his burden; for ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the LORD of hosts our God.

Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

Mar 13:6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am [Christ]; and shall deceive many.

This should answer any question as to whether the Lord makes these deceivers lie or sends them for that purpose. Although the deceiver and the deceived are his, he has not commanded them to deceive although he has caused blindness to Israel.

Tts 1:10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:

2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

The same word here is translated seducer;

1Ti 4:1 ¶ Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

They being deceived have become deceivers.

1Jo 2:26 These [things] have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.

1Jo 2:18 ¶ Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jo 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would [no doubt] have continued with us: but [they went out], that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

At this writing, John gives confirmation that it is the last time.

Note: just thought of something. I wonder is this last time has any connection to this?

Jer 16:21 Therefore, behold, I will this once cause them to know, I will cause them to know mine hand and my might; and they shall know that my name [is] The LORD.

Regardless, As far as we know 1 John was written after 70AD and false prophets and antichrists are still abounding. Puts paid to any idea that all prophecy was fulfilled by 70 AD.

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Hi All,

Mojo wrote:

MoJo · Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:35 am Post subject:

Good afternoon............ Very Happy

Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

these first two verses we have looked at don't tell us much about time. From Jesus till now, there have continued throughout all generations to be the deceivers and the deceived.

Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

The natural question to ask then is whether it's possible that this could have already happened. Even if we do not take the 1000 years literally, was there ever a period when the nations were not deceived?

The next verse in Matt to look at;

Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

There is actually not a lot to say about this unless we travel down a lot of side paths, ( which I did and why I haven't posted for a couple of days ) so just some notes;

Wars: Strongs
1) a war

2) a fight, a battle

3) a dispute, strife, quarrel

This same word is used here;

1Cr 14:8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the *battle?*

Hbr 11:34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant *in fight,* turned to flight the armies of the aliens

Jam 4:1 ¶ From whence [come] *wars* and fightings among you? [come they] not hence, [even] of your lusts that war in your members?

Rev 9:7 And the shapes of the locusts [were] like unto horses prepared unto *battle;* and on their heads [were] as it were crowns like gold, and their faces [were] as the faces of men.
Rev 9:9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings [was] as the sound of chariots of many horses running to *battle.*
Rev 11:7 ¶ And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make *war* against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

There are many more scriptures, but suffice to say wars need not be of a grand scale, but generally means any strifes whether they be between individuals or nations.

Rumors; Strongs

1) the sense of hearing

2) the organ of hearing, the ear

3) the thing heard

a) instruction, namely oral

1) of preaching the gospel

b) hearsay, report or rumour

This word has also been translated in various places as fame, report, hearing, ears, audience. So something heard.

Is this also prophesied in the OT?

Eze 7:26 Mischief shall come upon mischief, and rumour shall be upon rumour; then shall they seek a vision of the prophet; but the law shall perish from the priest, and counsel from the ancients.

Rumor; Strongs Hebrew

1) report, news, rumour

a) report, news, tidings

b) mention

Because of the date given in which Ezekial prophesied, the problem becomes to what time does this prophesy apply as this is just shortly before Nebu destroys Jerusalem. However, we may find and answer here;

Eze 12:25 For I [am] the LORD: I will speak, and the word that I shall speak shall come to pass; it shall be no more prolonged: for in your days, O rebellious house, will I say the word, and will perform it, saith the Lord GOD.

Hab 1:5 Behold ye among the heathen, and regard, and wonder marvellously: for [I] will work a work in your days, [which] ye will not believe, though it be told [you].

Act 13:40 Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets;
Act 13:41 Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you.

IMO, I also find it more than a coincidence that Ezekial is called the son of man, but let the reader study it out. Regardless, even if it is concerning Jerusalem in 590 BC, these things are for instruction and examples meaning they could happen again.

Let's look at this part;

"for all [these things] must come to pass, which is the spirit of prophecy." This definitely tells us that we are dealing in time. Something cannot come to pass without considering future time and past time.

Looking at Isaiah and a prophesy concerning Jesus;

Isa 42:9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.

Isa 42:13 The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.

Isa 42:22 But this [is] a people robbed and spoiled; [they are] all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for a prey, and none delivereth; for a spoil, and none saith, Restore.
Isa 42:23 ¶ Who among you will give ear to this? [who] will hearken and hear for the time to come?

Eze 33:33 And when this cometh to pass, (lo, it will come,) then shall they know that a prophet hath been among them.

So, in order for Jesus not to be a false prophet all that he has spoken must come to pass.

Let's look at Mark and Luke

Mar 13:7 And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for [such things] must needs be; but the end [shall] not [be] yet.

Luk 21:9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end [is] not by and by.

Jhn 13:19 Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am [he].

Jhn 14:29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe

Act 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
Act 3:23 And it shall come to pass, [that] every soul, which will not hear that prophet, ( Jesus ) shall be destroyed from among the people.

Now a prophesy is not a prophecy unless it has yet to happen. Understanding that, we must also understand this;

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants and he sent and signified [it] by his angel unto his servant John:

Would it not make sense then that if these things in revelation are to shortly come to pass that Jesus is foretelling of these things beforehand to the intent that when they do come to pass, we might believe?

So here's the rub;

Mar 13:29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, [even] at the doors.
Mar 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
Mar 13:31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. ( till all these things be done )

I'm not going to get into this yet, but you see the problem. What is meant by "this generation"

Now let's look at the last part of this verse

"but the end is not yet."

If the end is not yet, then certainly not all his words have yet come to pass.

the end; Strongs

1) end

a) termination, the limit at which a thing ceases to be (always of the end of some act or state, but not of the end of a period of time)

b) the end

1) the last in any succession or series

2) eternal

c) that by which a thing is finished, its close, issue

d) the end to which all things relate, the aim, purpose

2) toll, custom (i.e. indirect tax on goods)

I think the most clear definition is c. That by which a thing is finished.

The question posed by his disciples was when will be the end of the world. The word used here is slightly different than the word used above.

Strongs;

1) completion, consummation, end

Basically they mean the same thing. I will be examining this more closely in later verses.

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