 |
Bible-Discussion.com
Private Bible Studies and Christian Fellowship Available - Ask Nobby
|
|
|
| Author |
Message |
The Barbarian
Hamster
Joined: 24 Sep 2007
Posts: 85
|
 Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:02 pm Post subject: |
 |
|
| Quote: | | Let me get this straight: You believe that every single human alive today is literally a descendant of two individuals? |
Yep. Did you know every hamster in the US is literally a descendant of two individuals? It's true. They've evolved a little in the last hundred years or whatever, but then so have humans.
| Quote: | | Do you also believe that God created them or do you believe that they evolved from lower primates? |
That is two ways of saying the same thing. Of course, "lower" really has no meaning in taxonomy. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
P1234567890
Emperor of the Universe
Joined: 11 Mar 2006
Posts: 7662
Location: Victoria, Canada
|
| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:38 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| The Barbarian wrote: | | Quote: | | Let me get this straight: You believe that every single human alive today is literally a descendant of two individuals? |
Yep. Did you know every hamster in the US is literally a descendant of two individuals? It's true. They've evolved a little in the last hundred years or whatever, but then so have humans. |
Do you have a citation for this?
| The Barbarian wrote: |
Of course, "lower" really has no meaning in taxonomy. |
That's what they call them. I didn't invent the terminology.
_________________
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
-Someone who shall remain anonymous. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
The Barbarian
Hamster
Joined: 24 Sep 2007
Posts: 85
|
| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 6:41 pm Post subject: |
|
|
"These observations were limited to the commercially available standard Syrian hamsters that are descendants of three littermates captured in Syria in 1930."
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1046/j.1365-3083.1997.d01-109.x
Erm... three, not two. And apparently, some others have breen brought in since the 1970s, but essentially the millions of hamsters are descended from three.
Evolutionarily, scientists don't distinguish a lower or higher organism. The proper term is "primitive" (for those which exhibite traits of the basal type) or "derived" for those with traits not associated with them. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
P1234567890
Emperor of the Universe
Joined: 11 Mar 2006
Posts: 7662
Location: Victoria, Canada
|
| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 7:58 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| The Barbarian wrote: | "These observations were limited to the commercially available standard Syrian hamsters that are descendants of three littermates captured in Syria in 1930."
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1046/j.1365-3083.1997.d01-109.x
Erm... three, not two. And apparently, some others have breen brought in since the 1970s, but essentially the millions of hamsters are descended from three.
|
That's an interesting case, but I don't see any scientific reason to think that the same thing happened with humans...
| The Barbarian wrote: |
Evolutionarily, scientists don't distinguish a lower or higher organism. The proper term is "primitive" (for those which exhibite traits of the basal type) or "derived" for those with traits not associated with them. |
This is true, but the term, 'lower primates' is so-well entrenched in the vernacualr, that there is no harm in using it. If I always gave the 'correct' definition here, I'd even have less success getting through to the more hard-core creationists (that is, if it's possible to have negative success!).
_________________
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
-Someone who shall remain anonymous. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
FAQ 
Search 
Make a Donation 
Usergroups 
Contact
Register
Submit Articles 
Log in to check your private messages 
