Free exercise thereof...

Trinity1 · Emperor of the World Joined: 02 Apr 2006 Posts: 3111

It appears that policy has made its way into the prohibition of one's 'free exercise'... HERE.
Where is the ACL-Sue on this one? I thought they were the champions of individual liberty, defenders of the Bill of Rights, the one's to stand up to 'the man' when one's personal freedoms are infringed? Or, this only applies when those fundy’s are out there talking about peace, love, and those other hateful tenets of Christianity?

45degreeN · Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:43 am Post subject:

Well if your complete bias on this one wasn't so overwhelming I might actually bother to respond. You obviously dont have any respect for the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) so what can anyone gain by forcing you to look at some things that you dont want to see.

I doubt you would recognize anything good from them even if it came up and bit you on the a##.

Good luck in your chosen state of blindness.

Trinity1 · Emperor of the World Joined: 02 Apr 2006 Posts: 3111

45degreeN · Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:43 pm Post subject:

If freedom is good enough for us then it is good enough for all of us even the wackos and criminals. I think I understand why you react the way you do based upon their history. They have defended many people with less than honorable images, yet their work does in fact leave our own freedoms open and available for our use when we want it.

The law is supposed to be blind, not examining the person but the action of the accused. If that breaks down we are left without a legal system that honors the innocent until proven guilty. Which is the linchpin that upholds our whole legal system and makes us different than all the others.

When we value "order" over freedom we limit our own freedom, and while we may claim we know we'll never need such freedom we really dont know for sure. If we limit that freedom we wont ever get it back.

So while I dont support any of the defendants the ACLU defends, I recognize what they do as valuable even if it is unpopular.

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 6845 Location: USA

I'm left wondering the same thing Trin is asking - where is the ACLU in this case?

45degreeN · Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 12:49 pm Post subject:

The ACLU doesn't go out and take cases; they only show up when someone with a case comes to them and convinces them that it is worth pursuing. In the above case the woman would have to seek them out first and secondarily convince them that it was a good case to pursue (shouldn't be hard to prove but you do need to ask them) That some principle of law had been violated.

I know it is hard to believe but they really are not biased when it comes to their clients, they will accept Christians as clients. But the real test is whether or not some principle of law can be established/re-enforced.

Negative Overload · Little Goldfish Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 51

I'm going to do an experiment, since I actually live near Fort Worth.
I'm going to get on a bus and start reading the Koran, or the Torah, or some other holy book, to my little girl.
If I am not asked to stop, Trinity has a point.
If I am, and it turns out it was my reading things out loud on public transportation, and not the content of my book, that is the issue, then he's obviously grasping at straws to attack an institution he has issues with.

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pastor2022 · Moderator Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 693

This ought to be interesting! Shocked

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 6845 Location: USA

Interesting, but pointless. Unless of course you get on a bus with the same bus driver. This whole issue is about one person who made a decision, for whatever reason, and then being 'protected' by those who should have made a determination of some wrong doing.

BTW 45, you are incorrect. The ACLU absolutely solicits cases. Not so much in that the governing board of the ACLU goes out to solicit cases, but the network of activists the ACLU governs, mentors, and supports solicits cases and refers the potential clients to the union.

It is kinda like Amway. It is not the governing corporation of Amway that lures in new members, but the membership itself.

45degreeN · Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 6:01 am Post subject:

I guess my ignorance of the rules of the ACLU is showing. Still it is best to respect them and calling them names will do nothing to benefit anyone.

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Trinity1 · Emperor of the World Joined: 02 Apr 2006 Posts: 3111

Negative Overload · Little Goldfish Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 51

I don't know that I can find the exact same bus driver, although that of course would be optimal. I can try and find out who it was though.
Still, it's not pointless. If a different bus driver reacts the same way, then it's probably a policy and therefore not horrible Christian-bashing (and I can always try it with a Bible too.) If they don't react, then ah, there may be a point to be had.

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Trinity1 · Emperor of the World Joined: 02 Apr 2006 Posts: 3111

FFT · Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 1:01 pm Post subject:

Missing D) The woman was causing a disruption, why would the ACLU bother to get involved?