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shepreach
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Matthew 23:
16Woe unto you, ye blind guides,
which say,
Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing;
but
whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
i'm probably way out of line here, but... i see neither love, hate, nor pride in this verse. i do do see the p&s twisting the law.
if you swear by the temple, you are swearing(taking an oath) on the place where God abides. i seem to remember reading that this isn't good. when i find the chap. and verse again, i'll post it.
if you swear by the gold, you're swearing on the money. that isn't good either because the love of money is the root of all evil? and this gold belongs to God, so you would owe Him wouldn't you?
the blind part, i think, is in not being able to see what they were really doing--which was changing the Word of God to meet their own criteria. this is still going on, and it can be an easy trap to fall into.
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wilber
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Really interesting thread. IMO Good points on all sides. I have read your thread Nobby - thank you.
Atoz said: | Quote: | Follow, Galen?smile
Any math or english teachers can chime in!
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When trying to help their students, do you think teachers have more difficulty with pride or hatred?
I mean, 'self esteem' or 'self loathing'? I just wonder. Any teachers out there?
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atoz
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| Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:32 am Post subject: |
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| atoz wrote: | | Nobby wrote: | Atoz, you might enjoy reading this thread from back 2003 It's just a little over a page. Title Pride!
PRIDE |
Thanx, Nobby!
Will save it for the am!smile
In Love that saves the best for last,smile
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Just read it all Nobby!
And it's exactly all I am saying here!
Pride can NOT be a sin since God is proud of JC and us.
And since God is proud of us,
we must be proud of ourselves as He is proud of us---just as we must pity ourselves just as God pities us: Ps 103:13: Same principle applies comprehensively to all words and in all situations and conditions.
But HOW is God proud of us?
He is proud of us IN LOVE of us as proud and as humble---while we all tend to love being proud OUT OF Hate for being abased or humbled or humiliated or low or last or failure or loser or any word we hate!!!
So once we repent of that sin of Hate for us as law or as abased and as drounded or made to bite the ground or dust,
then we can be proud as God is proud: In Love of those who are humbled!!!!
And it is because there is nothing wrong with pride that God exalts us after we abase ourselves in Love! If being proud were wrong, then God wd be wrong to make us proud or glory in us or be proud of us as exalted by exalting us again!
Then we can only give the credit back to God because he has already given the credit to us! We can't give all the cred to God if we don't already have the credit as given to us by God!!!!! see1 John 4:19.
Now if pride were wrong of itself, and being humble were right of itself,
look what happens as people like BF: ben Franklin, Fake, Homer and etc have already noted:
I am so humble that I am proud of my humility!
oppps!
One for Buddhists:
I am so detached from my pride that I an now attached to detachment and proud of my humility!smile
So pride is NOT nor can NOT be a sin of itself.
Nor is humility a virtue of itself nor can it BE a virtue of itself.
Both are vices when Malice or Hate is pre-attached to either for the other: Mt 6:24.
Both are virtues when Love is pre-loaded in each for itself and the other. Gal 5:22-23.
Therefore, the essential sin in all so-called deadly sins is HATRED for what is called the sin or HATRED for the opposites/the enemies of what are called the 7 deadly sins!
Qed.
Hope that is like a Vitamin & Supplement of Love to that 2003 thread for you Nobby!smile
In the Love of both abasement and exaltation, humility and pride so that we are proud and glory in Love and we are humble in Love,
and so that God, who is Love, is plumb pleased & proud of us and auto gets back all the credit as He gives all right back to us in Love as he had given it all in Love to us in the first place --- since HE had it all in the beginning in the first of first places, smile
atoz
Bonuses:
Matthew 3:17
And lo a voice from heaven, saying,
This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Matthew 12:18
Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.
Matthew 17:5
While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
Hebrews 11:
6But without faith it is impossible to please him [or for Him to be proud of us or to have pride in us!]:
for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Psalm 103:
13Like as a father pitieth his children, so the LORD pitieth them that fear him.
1 Cor 1:
29That no flesh should glory [in Hate of the inglorious but only in Love of the abased] in his presence.
30But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31That, according as it is written,
He that glorieth [of is proud], let him glory [or be proud in Love of the unglorified and the humbled and so glory or be proud] in the Lord.
Notice that God says we are to be proud or to glory--but do so ---How?----IN LOVE of self as humbled or as abased or as last or as loser or as failure or as all words!
The 7 deadly sins:
Pride: Really Hatred of self and others as humbled/abased.
Envy: Hatred of self as deprived, as a have-not.
2 Cor 11:1-3.
Gluttony: Hatred of self as hungry. Rom 8:35-39.
Lust: Hatred of self as undesired, or Hatred of what one has or who one is. Which is how and why it Lust is also idolatry, which is to allow anyone or anything or any word to get you to disobey God by hating it when God says to love a person or an it! So if I hate myself as poor, I am not only going to lust for riches, but I have also idolised poverty!
Anger: Hatred of self as angry!
Ephes 4:26. Mt 5:21-22.
Greed: Hatred of self as poor.
Philippians 4:11-13. I Tim 6:10
Sloth: Hatred of self as fast!
As in : If we go fast and accomplish a lot, they will make us do more work and pay us for the same: so go slow! Let's stretch this work out! |
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atoz
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| shepreach wrote: | Matthew 23:
16Woe unto you, ye blind guides,
which say,
Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing;
but
whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
i'm probably way out of line here, but... i see neither love, hate, nor pride in this verse. i do do see the p&s twisting the law.
if you swear by the temple, you are swearing(taking an oath) on the place where God abides. i seem to remember reading that this isn't good. when i find the chap. and verse again, i'll post it.
if you swear by the gold, you're swearing on the money. that isn't good either because the love of money is the root of all evil? and this gold belongs to God, so you would owe Him wouldn't you?
the blind part, i think, is in not being able to see what they were really doing--which was changing the Word of God to meet their own criteria. this is still going on, and it can be an easy trap to fall into. |
Hi Shepreach!
Thanx for your comments.
So do you lvoe or hate yourself as unjust?
Can you say the words: I love myself as unjust?
Mt 12:34-37.
God loves u as just and as unjust: Mt 5:44-45, 48.
Then:
Do you love yourself as sighted and as blind?
Or,
Do you love yourself as sighted and hate yourself as blind?
God loves u unconditionally as each word and its opposite: Mt 5:43-48. Phil 4:11-13. Rom 8:35-39.
So do you think it is a sin for you to hate me as stupid or blind or unjust or as twisted or as a twister?
I am stupid!
That's the 2nd thing a wise man knows: that he is stupid!
1 Corin 3:18.
In God's unconditional Love for me
as just and as unjust,
as good and evil,
as smart and stupid,
as wise and fool,
as seeing and as blind,
as straight andas twisted,
as proud and as humble
so I can love, as myself, all my neighbors no matter if they are blind or unjust or stupid or evil or proud or fool or twisted, or etc,
atoz,
twisted sister or mister, smile
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atoz
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| Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:21 am Post subject: |
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| wilber wrote: | Really interesting thread. IMO Good points on all sides. I have read your thread Nobby - thank you.
Atoz said: | Quote: | Follow, Galen?smile
Any math or english teachers can chime in!
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When trying to help their students, do you think teachers have more difficulty with pride or hatred?
I mean, 'self esteem' or 'self loathing'? I just wonder. Any teachers out there?
wilber |
Well Wilber!
Hmmmmmmm
As a substitute teacher!smile
All we have to do is ask the kids a few questions BEFORE class starts:
1. Before you can love others, kids,
who do you have to love?
Yourselves?
[They normally get this right: Ourselves or Myself!]
2. Do you kids love or hate Math?
[They get this honest: We hate math!]
3. So if you hate math who you hate?
Answers are mostly along the lines of:
I am NOT a number nor math!
4. So How old are you?
How many fingers and toes do you have?
How many eyes, ears, lips, nostrils, hands, feet and hairs on your head do you have?
Do you like money?
Do you love soccer scores or basket ball scores or your times for the 100 yard dash?
Do you lvoe No. 23 or 11 or whatever?
Kids are confused and look so:
they NEVER looked at themselves like that since they were toddlers and since they were taught to HATE math by pareants and treachers who did so to justify themselves hating their own pet hates and exemplified by statements such as:
I don't care if you hate that food or not, you have to eat it.
I don't care if you lvoe math or not, learn it!!
5. Ok kids:
How many now see that loving numbers is about loving who: you or that sunject called mathj?
that loving numbers is ALL about YOURSELVES and NOT just that subject on the board?
6. So how many love yourselves as numbers and will NOT allow math to STOP you from loving YOU?
How many love math?
All hands go up!
7. Ok we are now ready to learn about YOU in Math and the math IN you NOW that your attitudes ARE right!
Open your books!
One more thing:
Is math english?
Some say yes some say no.
To any one who said no:
Please spell 5 or any number!
Five?
so 5 is five?
So Math is english?
They are all amazed that they KNEW something thatv they did NOT know that they knew!
So what's more important than math?
English!
So do you THINK and LAUGH or SING in english?
Is RAP English?
Is SOUL english?
Is Country english?
is Reggae english?
How many know their alphabets?
Can you think if you don't have or use words?
So shd we love or hate words IF we already love the letters that make up those words?
Can we write math problems in english?
Can anyone THINK of a word that is NOT a number?
So do we have more words than numbers?
They are ready to rock and roll!
in God's Love that makes us ready to love to learn by making us first ready to learn to love!!!!!!!
atoz,
the student master and master student, smile
Bonuses:[/v]
Ezekiel 16:
44Behold, every one that useth proverbs shall use this proverb against thee, saying,
[b]As is the mother[father/parent],
so is her daughter[son/child].
45Thou art thy mother's daughter, that lotheth her husband and her children; and thou art the sister of thy sisters, which lothed their husbands and their children:
your mother was an Hittite, [a Hatite! a Hater!]
and your father an Amorite.[ AmoUrite?smile]
2 Samuel 13:
15Then Amnon hated her exceedingly;
so that
the hatred wherewith he hated her
was greater than
the love wherewith he had loved her.
And Amnon said unto her, Arise, be gone.
James 1:8
8A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
Ps:
So the problem is mostly about HATE of self with low esteem or as esteemed lowly!
There shd be NO problem is a KID honestly esteems himself as low or as last, OR if other kids do so!
The problem is IF that kid HATES himself with LOW esteem or when he esteems himself as low or estmiates himself as poor in his own estimation or guestimation or is estimated as low by others!!!!!!
In Love of myself as highly and as lowly esteemed,
we are already freed up in and by the Liberty of 100% God-Esteemed Love---to try again and again and again until I ma HIGH but still with Love for those who are now LOW as compared to ME!
qed.
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Nobby
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Hi atoz, What do you make of this?
Proverbs 16: 18 - 25 NIV
18 Pride goes before destruction,
a haughty spirit before a fall.
19 Better to be lowly in spirit and among the oppressed
than to share plunder with the proud.
20 Whoever gives heed to instruction prospers,
and blessed is he who trusts in the LORD.
21 The wise in heart are called discerning,
and pleasant words promote instruction. [a]
22 Understanding is a fountain of life to those who have it,
but folly brings punishment to fools.
23 A wise man's heart guides his mouth,
and his lips promote instruction. [b]
24 Pleasant words are a honeycomb,
sweet to the soul and healing to the bones.
25 There is a way that seems right to a man,
but in the end it leads to death.
Lovya Bro.
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galen
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atoz-
So perhaps God causes there to be blindness in the cases of pride.
While man causes himself to be blind in cases of hatred. |
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wilber
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| Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 9:37 am Post subject: |
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I said: | Quote: | When trying to help their students, do you think teachers have more difficulty with pride or hatred?
I mean, 'self esteem' or 'self loathing'? I just wonder. Any teachers out there?
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and atoz replied: | Quote: | The problem is IF that kid HATES himself with LOW esteem or when he esteems himself as low or estmiates himself as poor in his own estimation or guestimation or is estimated as low by others!!!!!!
In Love of myself as highly and as lowly esteemed,
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How wise, but low SELF esteem is pretty close to self HATRED or loathing as I used.
When I was young, from my church teaching, I took to heart that I was wretched, and depraved and unworthy (and I interpreted 'unworthy' as 'worthless').
I received the texts: Psa 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
Isa 66:2 .... but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
Psa 34:18 The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.
So, QUESTION (to Nobby et al - with gratitude for those texts that I know so well): are our churches guilty of creating neuroses?
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wilber
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Galen
I like you - and I don't know why! Maybe it's that beard! I need therapy!
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atoz
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| Nobby wrote: | Hi atoz, What do you make of this?
Proverbs 16: 18 - 25 NIV
18 Pride goes before destruction,
a haughty spirit before a fall.
19 Better to be lowly in spirit and among the oppressed
than to share plunder with the proud.
20 Whoever gives heed to instruction prospers,
and blessed is he who trusts in the LORD.
21 The wise in heart are called discerning,
and pleasant words promote instruction. [a]
22 Understanding is a fountain of life to those who have it,
but folly brings punishment to fools.
23 A wise man's heart guides his mouth,
and his lips promote instruction.
24 Pleasant words are a honeycomb,
sweet to the soul and healing to the bones.
25 There is a way that seems right to a man,
but in the end it leads to death.
Lovya Bro.
Nobby |
I make Love of all the words!smile
And
I make Hate only of the sin of Hate for any words!
It's easy Nobby!
The Godly spirit is Love of the high and Love for the low.
Mt 5:44-45, 48.
The ungodly or haughty spirit is Love for the high [which is fine] and Hate for the low[not fine]:
which means I have to be high to be love myself,
and to love myself I have to high at all times:
so I end up haughty or arrogant or high-browed or looking down my nose at others: the word haughty or arrogant being wordd that embody my highness in Hate for my lowness and for all else low and for all else lower than me!
see?
So Haughty means highness or being high in the spirit of Hate for my lowness and so for those who are low as myself or for those who are lower than me.
This haughtiness makes me also very hateful to people who are HIGHER than me and so make look LOW!
See?
So with that understanding that God loves both the proud and the humble, Mt 5:44-45, 48
and therefore it is THE first sin in spirit to HATE either the proud or the humble or any other word, Mt 5:43, 46-47,
all these are easily and rightly divided in Love:
Proverbs 16: 18 - 25 NIV
18 Pride in Hate of a fall goes before destruction,
a haughty spirit of hate for being low before a fall or before a falling from high to low.
19 Better to be lowly in spirit in Love of being low and high and in Love of the oppressed and the oppressor among the oppressed
than to
share plunder with the proud in Hate of the plundered or in Hate of the oppressed or in Hate for the humble or in hate of the proud.
20 Whoever gives heed to the instruction to love the prosperous and the unrposperous
has the Prosperity of Love
and so doubly prospers in prosperity
and prospers even in adversity, 2 Cor 12:9-10,
and
doubly blessed is he who trusts in Love of the blessed and the cursed and so in the LORD when he is blessed,
and blessed is he with the Blessing of Love even when he is cursed! 2 Cor 12:9-10
21 The wise in Love and therefore in heart of the wise and the fool are called discerning,
and pleasant words in the Pleasantness of Love for the unpleasant re-promote the Instruction of Love for all those instructed and for all those UN-instructed. [a]
22 The Understanding of The Life of Love for those who understand and for those who do NOT undertand is a fountain of life to those who have it,
for those in Love doubly undertsand when they do understand,
and are still filled with the Understanding of Love even when they do NOT understand, so that they understand that they do not understand and can admit it,
but
the folly of Hate for fools mixed with Love for the wise brings double punishment to fools,
and brings punishment to fools even when they are wise.
23 A wise man's heart of Love for both the wise and the fools guides his mouth,
and his lips re-promote the Instruction of Love for both fools and wise, for both the initiated and for the uninitiated. [b] see Phil 4:12: instructed = initiated in the secret of Love for both opposites in verses 11-13.
24 Pleasant words in Love of the pleasant and the unpleasant are a honeycomb,
sweet to the soul and healing to the bones.
25 There is
a way of Love for the wise and Hate for the fool,
or a way of Love for the humble and Hate for the proud, or vice versa,
or a way of Love for the one and Hate for the other,
or vice versa, Mt 5:43, 46-47, 6:24
that seems right to a man,
but in the end it leads to double death when dead,
and to death even when alive. Luke 9:60.
But there is
THE way of Love for both friends and enemies,
the way of Love for each word and its opposite,
the way of Love for both the wise and the fool,
the way of Love for both the proud and the humble,
the way of Love for both the high and the low
that is right to God and to all men in Love and so in Christ
that leads to life even in death,
and leads to double life when alive!
See the difference?
Nobby, I know that you know all this already in your grey-haired wisdom of Love!smile
I am just using my reply to you to help all those other who will read it!smile
99.9% of people worldwide
love the good and HATE the evil,
love the high and HATE the low,
love family and friends and HATE strangers and enemies, etc and etc.:
that is the way that SEEMS right to men!
Just ask those who love america and HATE terrrorists!
Or,
just as the terrorists who love thmselves AND HATE america!
It sure seems to 99.9% of all that the way that is right and so that seems right is
to love one and HATE the other!
Right?
So THAT is NOT God's way!
qed.
story done!smile
Hope that helps.
Notice how Love for both opposites expands or magnifies God's words!
Isaiah 42:
19Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the LORD's servant?
20Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not.
21[b]The LORD is well pleased for [and proud of] his righteousness' sake;
he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.
How many people reading this love themselves
as just and as unjust,
as good and as evil AS Is God's WAY of Loving them?
1 John 4:19. John 15:9.
Present reader excepted!smile
Matthew 5:
45That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
So even if I LOVE the unjust,
how can i love the unjustly proud or love the proudly unjust IF I still hate pride and the proud?
See?
God's Way is Love all the way for all words.
Mt 12:34-37. 5:43-48.
With God's Humbly-Proud and Proudly-Humble Spirit of Love for the southern rebels and the northern yankees, for the proud south and the humble yankees, and vice versa!, for the one and the other, for the other and the one,
with God's Hate only for hating the sin of hating any word,
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atoz
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| Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:02 am Post subject: |
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| galen wrote: | atoz-
So perhaps God causes there to be blindness in the cases of pride.
While man causes himself to be blind in cases of hatred. |
Good Galen!
U're getting warmer!smile
Now, answer yourself this:
Was it man or God who set things up as to what righteousness is and what SIN is,
so that man is auto blind when he hates rather than loves what and who God loves?
In other words:
Who decides and defines what sin is:
God or Man?
Who set things up so that God is not mocked:
Man or God?
Clue #1:
Daniel 2:
19Then was the secret revealed unto Daniel in a night vision.
Then Daniel blessed the God of heaven.
20Daniel answered and said,
Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his:
21And he changeth the times and the seasons:
he removeth kings, and setteth up kings:
he giveth wisdom unto the wise,
and knowledge to them that know understanding:
Clue #2:
Galatians 6:7
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Clue 3:
1 John 3:4
4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
What Law?
1 John 5:
3For this is the love of God,
that we keep his commandments:
and his commandments are not grievous.
What Commandments?
Mark 12:
28And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him,
Which is the first commandment of all?
29And Jesus answered him,
The first of all the commandments is,
Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
30And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength:
this is the first commandment.
31And the second is like, namely this,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
There is none other commandment greater than these.
32And the scribe said unto him,
Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
33And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.
34And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him,
Thou art not far from the kingdom of God.
And no man after that durst ask him any question.
Matthew 22:
36Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37Jesus said unto him,
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38This is the first and great commandment.
39And the second is like unto it,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Leviticus 19:
17Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
18Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
Matthew 5:
21Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22But I say unto you,
That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment:
and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council:
but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Matthew 18:
35So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
John 15:
25But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law,
They hated me without a cause
in God's law of Love for all words & their oppositenemies,
which unconditional Love
automatically defines that
Sin is Hatred in Heart for any words, John 15:25,
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[quote="wilber"]I said: | Quote: | When trying to help their students, do you think teachers have more difficulty with pride or hatred?
I mean, 'self esteem' or 'self loathing'? I just wonder. Any teachers out there?
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and atoz replied: | Quote: | The problem is IF that kid HATES himself with LOW esteem or when he esteems himself as low or estmiates himself as poor in his own estimation or guestimation or is estimated as low by others!!!!!!
In Love of myself as highly and as lowly esteemed,
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W: ...., but low SELF esteem is pretty close to self HATRED or loathing as I used.
A: No, not close, but IS self-hatred!
BUT that is SO only because Low was preprogrammed for Hate!
So not only did Low-SELF-esttem mean Hate of self,
but low esteem of others also MEANT Hate of all others as self!
Automatically!
see?
But when we preprogram our minds God's way with Love for both low and high, we have already won all work and all games!
W: When I was young, from my church teaching, I took to heart that I was wretched, and depraved and unworthy (and I interpreted 'unworthy' as 'worthless').
A: Of course, since we had even pre-viously than that been taught ot HATE wretches and the depraved and the unworthy or wutless!smile
So when worthless, we were DOUBLY worthless: worthless in whatever way AND WORSE,
not worthy of LOVE, not worth any Love, the MOST vaulauble thing of all!!!!!!!!
W: I received the texts: Psa 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
Isa 66:2 .... but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
Psa 34:18 The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.
So, QUESTION (to Nobby et al - with gratitude for those texts that I know so well): are our churches guilty of creating neuroses?
A: Yes!
The inflammation[osis] of the neurochemicals of and in the mind caused by the Inflaming the mind with and BY the WORD Hatred for the very words BY which the mind works!!!!!!!!!!
So guess waht?
The churches teach the parents who re-teach the kids.
The churches teach the teahers who re-teach the kids.
The churches teach the cops who re-teach the kids.
The churches teach the society which then re-teaches the kids!!!!!!
That is HOW generational Hatred of words and the generational Neurosis of Neuroses IS re-spread and re-generated from gereration to generation---starting with Hatred of ----
dare i say it?
--dare i dare mention it?
---dare i dare hint, even give the acronym, the initials---?ok
Satan! Adversary. enemy. opposites. opposers. antonyms, conradictions. etc and etc and etc.
sigh
1 Peter 5:8-9.
Matthew 5:43-48.
Ephes 6:10-12.
James 4:7-8.
"Canst thou not minister to a mind diseased, 2295
Pluck from the memory a rooted sorrow,
Raze out the written troubles of the brain
And with some sweet oblivious antidote
Cleanse the stuff'd bosom of that perilous stuff
Which weighs upon the heart?"
Doctor. Therein the patient
Must minister to himself.
With the Only Medicine of Love that can cure the neurotic sin of Hatred for any words,
atoz,
dr. Love, smile |
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wilber
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| Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:36 am Post subject: |
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atoz: My urbedness had never been so pert but you have come to the rescue again..
..and I,
I, definitely have nothing to declare, once again, but YOUR genious.
so i'll shut up |
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atoz
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| Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:36 am Post subject: |
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| wilber wrote: | atoz: My urbedness had never been so pert but you have come to the rescue again..
..and I,
I, definitely have nothing to declare, once again, but YOUR genious.
so i'll shut up |
There is so much genious in you that even your silence is ever so filled with Your Golden Genious!smile
Declaring my genious just shows you have the Genius in you by which to recognise mine, milord!smile
Hey, the MOST LOVING NY to you and yours!
with love,
atoz |
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shepreach
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| Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Hi Shereach!
Thanx for your comments.
So do you lvoe or hate yourself as unjust?
Can you say the words: I love myself as unjust?
Mt 12:34-37.
God loves u as just and as unjust: Mt 5:44-45, 48.
Then:
Do you love yourself as sighted and as blind?
Or,
Do you love yourself as sighted and hate yourself as blind?
God loves u unconditionally as each word and its opposite: Mt 5:43-48. Phil 4:11-13. Rom 8:35-39.
So do you think it is a sin for you to hate me as stupid or blind or unjust or as twisted or as a twister?
I am stupid! |
just a few things-- you got my name wrong but God loves me anyway and He knows my name.
i could not love myself or anyone else before i met Christ because i didn't know what love was. now that Christ lives in me by the Holy Spirit, i can love myself and any one else in any condition, which includes you atoz.
do you always answer questions with questions?
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a servant in Christ
I'm wounded sore but not yet slain, I'll lie and bleed awhile then rise to fight again.
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