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Texas Kitten
Joined: 19 Dec 2007 Posts: 135 Location: Ontario
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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 2:47 am Post subject: A masterful deception - Satan's work of art |
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A Masterful Deception! Satan's Work of Art!
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Satan has managed to mislead the entire inhabited earth, and he holds them all in his grip of power through the many varied Religions that are found on the earth today. But, satan would have known that some from among mankind would not accept the Worlds Religions, so he would need one that so closely resembled the true Religion that it could 'mislead, if possible even the chosen ones'. This one would be satans last opportunity, as it were, to mislead even those ones who would not accept the teachings of the Churchs. This one would be his work of art, a masterful deception to ensnare the entire World in his grip of Power; and, I must say it works very well, for I was in the ranks of Jehovah's Witnesses for some twenty-one years; befor I finally realized they were not what they made claim to being. They were not the "faithful slave" ... They are not "Jehovah's Organiztion!" [1 John 5:19 Revelation 12:9 Matthew 24:24].
If anyone examines the Watchtower Society they will see a phenominal growth going on among them through their preaching and teaching work. People have been streaming into that Qrganization from all walks of life; believing that it is the only true Religion; to the tune of many Millions.Over six Million to be exact. This is one thing that really makes them look like the genuine article, because the "Good News of the Kingdom" would be preached "in all the inhabited earth" and they have been doing just as foretold. They have filled the earth with their preaching and teaching campaign. So, understandably they would look like, to many, the only true Religion as they themselves make claim to being.[Matthew 24:14]
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Now we know that satan can transform himself into an angel of light and his ministers can transform themselves into ministers of rightiousness, so this work of art would be very difficult to identify as belonging to satan the devil. Still there would have to be a way to flush them out in the open for all to see, and the Bible does that if one pays close attention. [2 Corinthians 11: 12-15]
Recall the scripture at Matthew 24:24 that said, as most will remember: "For false Christs and false Prophets will arise and will give great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible even the chosen ones." Their teaching so close to Bible truth might possibly mislead even the chosen ones, so I apply this scripture to the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Then in Luke 21:8 this scripture, most will remember it, I'm sure: "He said "Look out that you are not misled; 'For many will come on the basis of my name, saying ' I am he' and the due time has approached' Do not go after them!' This scripture too can be applied to them. Did you notice? In spite of their looking like the true Religion Jesus said: "Do not go after them."
Now, how many times did I go door to door telling people exactly that? Many many times. I apply this one to the Governing Body of the Watchtower Society. For who else was doing a work like Theirs? I answer, absolutely no one. So they fill the Bill here too, but that's not all, there's more. One more to be exact.
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You'll remember we are to establish every matter at ..."The mouth of two or of three witnesses"? So, now, on to my third witness. At 2 Thessalonians 2: 1-3 Paul wrote: ... " not to be quickly shaken from your reason nor to be excited either through an inspired expression or through a verbal message or through a letter as though from us to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here." Please note the expression as though from us.
Now, ask yourself who has a message or a letter that looks like it comes from the true followers of Christ? There's only one answer to that question: 'The Governing Body of the Watchtower Society has that message and that letter. So, I apply this scripture to them as well.
Now I have established what I say at the mouth of two or three witnesses, so what more is needed? [2 Corinthioans 13:1]
This leaves us with nowhere to go to worship Jehovah because in spite of their claim to the contrary that is not Jehovah's organization. not at all. It is satans work of art, his masterful deception.
Jesus said,"Where two or three are gathered together in my name there I am in their midst. [Matthew 18:19,20]
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We could study with anyone we choose on the basis of that scripture. We do not need any self proclaimed Prophet to follow. It is Jesus who is in control of the Holy Spirit and he can 'teach us all things even that which is to come'. [John 16:13] [ John 14:26]
It's sad to say that the vast majority of Jehovah's Witnesses are not even aware that they are being misled and if you was to try and tell them that they are not following the faithful slave, but are being misled they would only get angry at you, and not believe you. Satan has a hold on them as great a hold as he holds on the entire inhabited earth with his masterful deception. Texas |
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pastor2022 Moderator

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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 5:53 am Post subject: |
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Texas, did you write this yourself or did you copy and paste this from somewhere else? If copied, you must provide the source. It is an interesting read nonetheless. God bless. _________________ Faith is the confident obedience to the Word of God in spite of circumstances or consequences. |
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Nobby Board - Admin

Joined: 16 Sep 2002 Posts: 5169 Location: Missouri
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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 8:35 am Post subject: |
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I't also belongs in the Jehovah's Witnesses forum!
Texas, that's where I'm moving it.
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TBax King of the Jungle
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Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 4:35 am Post subject: |
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Yes, since they appear to be true followers they cannot be true followers. What wonderful logic. Oh, wait!
(Matthew 7:17) Likewise every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit;
Matt 7:24 “Therefore everyone that hears these sayings of mine and does them will be likened to a discreet man, who built his house upon the rock-mass.
So according to that logic in the above post, people that hear Jesus' sayings and and do them are misled or are just trying to trick others. Or those that produce good fruitage are misled or are just trying to trick others.
The logic in that post shows the fruits produced by that man who wrote it.
Matt 7:15 “Be on the watch for the false prophets that come to YOU in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves. 16 By their fruits YOU will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? 17 Likewise every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit; 18 a good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, neither can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. 19 Every tree not producing fine fruit gets cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Really, then, by their fruits YOU will recognize those [men]. _________________ Agape,
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composer2005 Fierce Wolf
Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Posts: 561
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 11:54 pm Post subject: Fruits of the J.W's |
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By their own testimony the following demonstrates the Satanic Fruits of the J.W's
Michael The Watchtower Reprints, November 11, 1879, p. 48 “’Let all the angels of God worship him’; (that must include Michael , the chief angel, hence Michael is not the Son of God)” (My Bolds)
The Finished Mystery (SS-7), 1917 ed., p. 188 “Michael, - ‘Who as God,’ the Pope”
Opps!!!!!
The Watchtower, November 1, 1995, p. 8 “The foremost angel, both in power and authority, is the archangel, Jesus Christ, also called Michael.”
The Watchtower of 5/15/30, p 154 states;
"Since the Bible was completed and "inspiration" is no longer necessary, a true prophet is one who is faithfully proclaiming what is written in the Bible" .
"It matters not whether he proclaims his message with deliberate, willful and malicious intent to deceive, or whether he is the blinded and deluded dupe of Satan and hence unwittingly used of him. In either case, he is a false prophet and hence the agent of Satan".
Clearly by the Watchtower's own testimony, the J.W's are FALSE PROPHETS (as I have said all along) and also the Agents of Satan! - (i. e. Wicked & Corrupt "Men") who profess one thing only to recant it later all under the guise of being instructed by their J.W 'god'
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TBax King of the Jungle
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 5:08 am Post subject: |
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From the original post, it is evident that JW's try to apply the scriptures in their everyday lives, including Jesus commision to "go and make disciples". That is why they appear to be the true religion.
Love for God and neighbor motivates us to do this ministry. After all, it means peoples lives.
John 13:35 By this all will know that YOU are my disciples, if YOU have love among yourselves.” _________________ Agape,
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Dust Growing Lion

Joined: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 894 Location: All over the western U.S.
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Texas wrote: | | A Masterful Deception! Satan's Work of Art! |
Hi Texas,
I really appreciate your posting.
I would depict the JW deception as 'a masterful deception' (emphasis on masterful), only on the basis that many seemingly good folks appear to be decieved by it. However, overall, I think Christians, and even many would-be Christians, see the JW organization in the same light as they see the Morman organization, and even, the now defunct, Branch Davidian organization.
I empathize with those caught in it. To them I'm sure it seemed/seems to be the way. _________________ The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen. |
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TBax King of the Jungle
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:36 am Post subject: |
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| Texas wrote: | | If anyone examines the Watchtower Society they will see a phenominal growth going on among them through their preaching and teaching work. People have been streaming into that Qrganization from all walks of life; |
Isa 60:22 The little one himself will become a thousand, and the small one a mighty nation. I myself, Jehovah, shall speed it up in its own time.”
Isa 2:2 And it must occur in the final part of the days [that] the mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, and it will certainly be lifted up above the hills; and to it all the nations must stream.
Matt 24:14 And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.Bolds mine.
Those who are following Jesus command to go preaching about the kingdom and make disciples are displaying Christian fruitage, and they have Gods backing.
Acts 5:38 And so, under the present circumstances, I say to YOU, Do not meddle with these men, but let them alone; (because, if this scheme or this work is from men, it will be overthrown; 39 but if it is from God, YOU will not be able to overthrow them;) otherwise, YOU may perhaps be found fighters actually against God.”
It is an evil thing to twist the scriptures to indicate those fulfilling this Bible prophesy are working along side Satan.
Jesus true disciples listen to his voice.
Matt 28: 19 Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”
Were the Christians organized in the first century? Indeed!
As surely as God has an invisible organization he has a visible one as well. Just like in the first century.
1 Cor 14:33 For God is [a God], not of disorder, but of peace. _________________ Agape,
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Dust Growing Lion

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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:22 am Post subject: |
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Howdy TBax,
| TBax wrote: | Those who are following Jesus command to go preaching about the kingdom and make disciples are displaying Christian fruitage, and they have Gods backing.
It is an evil thing to twist the scriptures to indicate those fulfilling this Bible prophesy are working along side Satan.
Jesus true disciples listen to his voice.
Were the Christians organized in the first century? Indeed!
As surely as God has an invisible organization he has a visible one as well. Just like in the first century. |
All good points, but consider this.....Mormons, and the former Branch Davidians could say the exact same things, and quote the exact scriptures you quoted, in an effort to defend their own particular organizations. _________________ The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen. |
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TBax King of the Jungle
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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Not really Dust.
The Mormons send out their missionaries that spend two years in that "ministry" but they are not preaching about the kingdom as recorded in scripture. They are putting forth their book of Mormon as scripture. They say they trust the Bible but the Book of Mormon superceeds it. The Book of Mormon isn't in harmony with scripture.
Gal 1:8 However, even if we or an angel out of heaven were to declare to YOU as good news something beyond what we declared to YOU as good news, let him be accursed.
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The Branch Davidians were a cult that followed David Koresh, who taught he was "the Lamb of God". He secluded his followers and had immoral relations with many of, so they didn't preach about God's kingdom. Instead they were stockpiling weapons of war.
Matt 7:16 By their fruits YOU will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? 17 Likewise every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit;
Are the Dranch Davidians still around or were they effectivly destroyed by man?
Acts 5:38 And so, under the present circumstances, I say to YOU, Do not meddle with these men, but let them alone; (because, if this scheme or this work is from men, it will be overthrown; 39 but if it is from God, YOU will not be able to overthrow them;) otherwise, YOU may perhaps be found fighters actually against God.”
Just because there are indeed false organizations who claim to be Christian doesn't mean there isn't a true one. Jesus showed us how we could identify it, and honest hearted one do see it and are streaming to the mountain of the house of Jehovah.  _________________ Agape,
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Dust Growing Lion

Joined: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 894 Location: All over the western U.S.
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:26 am Post subject: |
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| TBax wrote: | | Not really Dust. |
You mean, 'not really' from your own perspective.
Im sure each of these other organizations would or would-have said the exact same thing about the JW organization......not being in harmony with the scriptures that is (and they do).
The point I am making is that your biblical proofs and explainations, as put-forth, are so general that they can apply to many groups, thus, these proofs and explainations of yours, are ineffective as a validation of your particular organization.
Can you see that? _________________ The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen. |
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TBax King of the Jungle
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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Dust,
I mean 'not really' in that you are showing bias and assuming hypothetical responces. If you think the Branch Davidians even claimed to preached earthwide about God's kingdom just shows the bias you are displaying. That is ridiculous. If you are a Mormon or a Branch Davidian then you could answer intelligently.
Yes I can see your point in that people can twist scripture to believe whatever they want. However, the Mormons cannot say JW's put something forth as scripture other then the Bible. I mean, they could say that but that would be a lie.
The Branch Davidians no doubt justified their action by twisting scripture, but it was clear who they followed. "By their friuts."
Who are actually doing God's will and follow Jesus example?
The fact that we are fulfilling this prophesy about preaching about the kingdom and people are streaming into this organization as foretold in Isa is an indication we have God's backing. We couldn't do this work in our own power.
The points are actually not that generalized. Honestly, who is known for "preaching about the kingdom" from door to door and city to city in the entire inhabited earth like the first century disciples did??? You could get only two answers. Jehovah's Witnesses and possibly Mormons, however not all Mormons do that work and they put forth false scripture and don't focus on the truth of the Bible. They follow a Jesus as put forth in their "scripture", the Book of Mormon. That leaves only one who do this work the real Jesus fortold. This is true world wide, not just in certain locals. Just like fortold.
To deny or minimize that this work is, or needs to be done, is to deny the scriptures. This type of work requires organization!!!
Can you see my point?
Were the first century Christians organized? Indeed!
As surely as God has an invisible organization he has a visible one as well. Just like in the first century.
Just because there are false organizations who claim to be Christian does that mean there cannot be a true one?
Can you see my point? _________________ Agape,
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Dust Growing Lion

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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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| TBax wrote: | | The fact that we are fulfilling this prophesy about preaching about the kingdom and people are streaming into this organization as foretold in Isa is an indication we have God's backing. We couldn't do this work in our own power. |
How do you know you are not fulfilling this prophesy......
1 Timothy 4
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
| TBax wrote: | | the Mormons cannot say JW's put something forth as scripture other then the Bible. |
Isn't is possible that the NWT and the Book of Mormon were produced by the same seducing spirit? Perhaps the same spirit that brought about the origins of both the Mormons (founded in the 1830's) and the JW's (founded in the 1870's) with-in the same generation, as in latter times generation?
1 Timothy 4
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
| TBax wrote: | To deny or minimize that this work is, or needs to be done, is to deny the scriptures. This type of work requires organization!!!
Can you see my point? |
I'm not denying that this work is being done and needs to be done.....by the folks who have not left the faith, nor have moved from established sound doctrine, here in these latter times.
| TBax wrote: | | "By their friuts." |
Obviously the Mormons can point to the same sort of friuts you are pointing to. They are spearding the word (as they see it). There are 12 million + Mormons compared to only 7 million JW members, and let's be honest, many Mormon individuals appear to have a spirit of love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control, just as many JW's appear to have.
Galatians 5
22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
What I am saying is the JW's dont have a corner on the proofs you put forth, therefore these proofs are not the end-all proofs you make them out to be. Many Baptist's and Catholics, for instance, spread the gospel through their respective organizations very very effectively. Over a billion Catholics. Many of these also display a spirit of love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.
As I said earlier, these are good things to look at, but obviously there is more to look at, if we are not to be led astray.
As biblically directed, I question the wisdom of following an end time up-start, such as the Mormons and/or the JW's. I don't care how seducing their stories might be. I've been biblically warned.
1 Timothy 4
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; _________________ The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen. |
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TBax King of the Jungle
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:35 am Post subject: |
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Dust,
| Dust wrote: | How do you know you are not fulfilling this prophesy......
1 Timothy 4
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; |
By their fruits you will recognise them.
| Dust wrote: | | Isn't is possible that the NWT and the Book of Mormon were produced by the same seducing spirit? |
Again, showing your bias. The Book of Mormon isn't the Bible. The NWT is. And the NWT was shown, by a qualified person who actually campared the english translations, to be a superior and more accurate translation. Your so-called claim of bias on our part is because of the greater accuracy our Bible contains.
| Dust wrote: | | I'm not denying that this work is being done and needs to be done.....by the folks who have not left the faith, nor have moved from established sound doctrine, here in these latter times. |
Who would that be?
| Dust wrote: | | Obviously the Mormons can point to the same sort of friuts you are pointing to. |
Perhaps some. However it is clear they are part of the world as they get involved in politics and so forth. Jesus disciples would be no part of the world. Plus they have additional scripture that opposes the Bible, and Gal warned us of that specifically.
| Dust wrote: | | Many Baptist's and Catholics, for instance, spread the gospel through their respective organizations very very effectively. Over a billion Catholics. |
Please!!! First of all, I have never had either one at my door. Second, they both teach God dishonoring Pagan doctrine like the trinity, or hellfire, or the immortal soul, ect... Third, they both teach different things, and as I have seen, Catholics can believe anything they want and still call themselves Catholic.
| Dust wrote: | As biblically directed, I question the wisdom of following an end time up-start, such as the Mormons and/or the JW's. I don't care how seducing their stories might be. I've been biblically warned.
1 Timothy 4
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; |
You keep focusing on "end times" teachings. First of all, that scripture isn't exclusively about "end times start ups", as that "latter period" was evident during the 4th century as the church was mixed with state and pagan teaching crept into people's faith. Second, such "seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; " were present during the first century and ran rampant after the death of the apostles, as foretold. Third, Jesus showed the true followers would be gathered during the cunclusion of this system of things. So your "end times start up" point is bogus. False doctrine is false doctrine regardless of when it started. If you think the Catholic and Protastants are on the same page with their teachings, that is dead wrong.
Can you see my point?
Were the first century Christians organized? Indeed!
As surely as God has an invisible organization he has a visible one as well. Just like in the first century.
Just because there are false organizations who claim to be Christian does that mean there cannot be a true one?
Can you see my point?
If you believe the Mormons or the Baptists or the Catholics have the truth, that is your choice. If you think they are different paths leading to the same place, you would be correct about that. But not where you perhaps think.
| Dust wrote: | | I'm not denying that this work is being done and needs to be done.....by the folks who have not left the faith, nor have moved from established sound doctrine, here in these latter times. |
Who would that be?
Who would that be?
Who would that be? _________________ Agape,
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Dust Growing Lion

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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:37 am Post subject: |
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| TBax wrote: | | If you believe the Mormons or the Baptists or the Catholics have the truth, that is your choice. |
Alright Tbax, here in your statement, is an excellent and highly visible point of demarkation. You know I am not saying the Mormons have the truth, yet you've twisted the thoughts I have presented, to come up with, and actually state, the opposite of what I've been telling you. That my friend is VERY telling.
1 Timothy 4
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Now currently there are something like 2,200,000,000 folks on the planet who claim to be Christian. Of these, 7,000,000 claim to be JW. 1 Timothy 4 uses the term some to identify those who would leave the faith. Even if I combine all the JW membership with all the Mormon membership, and even throw-in all the other latter time "Christian" start ups, we have a number that logically constitutes some, 5% or so of all those currently claiming to be Christian. But if I am to follow your view, the some, 1 Timothy 4 is talking about, is actually the overwhelming vast majority of folks (95%) who claim they are true followers of Christ. To head you off......the path indeed is narrow. Through-out all time and even currently, the vast majority of people (the world) do not find Christ at all. But with-in the Christian ranks, it's not that difficult to see the some who Timothy is referring to......the some who leave the faith.
[b]1 Timothy 4
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; [/b]
| TBax wrote: | | You keep focusing on "end times" teachings. First of all, that scripture isn't exclusively about "end times start ups", as that "latter period" was evident during the 4th century |
Here's another point of demarkation. HISTORY now testifies, in all truth, that the 4th century was/is not the latter times of which Timothy spoke. 1500 years after the 4th century, in a Church that is 2000 years old, I think this should be crystal clear. I'm only focusing on "end times" as biblically directed, in an effort to help me identify the truth.
I look at all the proofs that you present, however the Mormons (who, we agree, are obviously wrong)present the same proofs, as do many others. So for discernment purposes, I look at additional proofs (such as 1 Timothy 4, history, and the biblical test of a true prophet, to name a few), these aid in identification and clarification....
[b]1 Timothy 4
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; [/b]
Seek the answer, and ye shall find. _________________ The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen. |
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