Another J.W blunder and mistruth.

composer2005 · Fierce Wolf Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Posts: 561

Thanks lone-traveler

That's what I said 'LIKE A DOVE' NOT A LITERAL DOVE AS TBAX inferred.

composer2005 · Fierce Wolf Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Posts: 561

Dust · Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:02 pm Post subject:

lone-traveler · Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:17 pm Post subject:

well, the dove represents peace ya?
and so the dove is not a "was" but is actually an "is"..

so then the dove "is" the Holy Spirit which "is" his peace given to us.

Jhn 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

Gen 8:11 And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth [was] an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.
Gen 8:12 And he stayed yet other seven days; and sent forth the dove; which returned not again unto him any more. Sad

why is the olive leaf/branch considered peace?

and why is the olive oil always beaten.. Sad

Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

in the beginning it was not so..there was only one:

Exd 25:31 ¶ And thou shalt make a candlestick [of] pure gold: [of] beaten work shall the candlestick be made: his shaft, and his branches, his bowls, his knops, and his flowers, shall be of the same.

oooh look at this:

Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural [branches], be graffed into their own olive tree?

so what then..do the two candlesticks represent?
the two covenants?

I see could be two woman standing before the altar..one wild and free the other under bondage..but both set free in the end.. Very Happy

You know..once you throw out the bondwoman she is set free.. Wink

Exd 21:5 And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free:
Exd 21:6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever.

bore his ear through with an aul...oww.. Confused or disgusted

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Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

composer2005 · Fierce Wolf Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Posts: 561

TBax · King of the Jungle Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 1967

lone traveler,

Hi, Very Happy

The two olive trees, and the two candlesticks symbolize the two witnesses of Rev 11:3. Jesus disciples are light bearers. Very Happy

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Agape,
TBax

lone-traveler · Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:22 pm Post subject:

Hi Tbax,
and yet both covenants lead us to the light of truth..
Jesus..
The candlesticks give light in dark places..
there is a candlestick in the OT and there is a candlestick in the NT.
Maybe the one candlestick in the temple represents when two become one.

Those who keep the commandments of God AND the testimony of Jesus Christ..

well in the OT you couldn't keep the testimony because it hadn't come yet. And in the NT it sheds light on the commandments..casting off the stone and revealing the heart of the matter.. Wink

So now we have the true spirit of the commandments and we have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

the two witnesses..heaven and earth..
and the first shall be last and the last first..

sorry TBax..i'm an air-head..LOL..
just flying in the clouds having an awesome time..
love you all
hugs
lone

(composer, you gots to smile once in awhile..just coz..ok?
lighten up..smile).. Very Happy

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Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

composer2005 · Fierce Wolf Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Posts: 561

Thanks,

I am quite a happy chap really.

I do take my studies very very seriously though as you noticed.

All the best to every one regardless for Xmas time.

Cheers!

Luvnlife · Lion King Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 1197 Location: US

composer2005 · Fierce Wolf Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Posts: 561

TBax · King of the Jungle Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 1967

luvnlife,

Hi, Very Happy

Nice point about God renaming people. Smile

We know Jesus sits at God's right hand but when the great tribulation breaks out and men come against God's people Jesus, the prince of peace, stands up in their behalf.

Dan 12:1 12 “And during that time Mi´cha·el will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of your people. And there will certainly occur a time of distress such as has not been made to occur since there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time your people will escape, every one who is found written down in the book.

Also, since Jesus is the main part of the seed of the woman that will bruise the serpent in the head, from the Gen 3:15 prophesy, doesn't it make sense that he would be the one to cast Satan out of heaven to the vicinity of the earth before dealing that blow?

Rev 12:7 And war broke out in heaven: Mi´cha·el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8 but it did not prevail, neither was a place found for them any longer in heaven. 9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him

Plus, notice who Jesus' call is likened to.

1 Thess 4:16 because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first.

Would Jesus "commanding call" be likened to someone lesser then him in authority?

Archangel means "chief" or "principal" angel. If Jesus is considered an angel he would no doubt be this archangel.

Heb 1:9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you with [the] oil of exultation more than your partners.”

The context of Heb 1 shows these "partners" are the angels. The angels are to do do obeisance to Jesus. Showing they are beneath him in authority.

Very Happy

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Agape,
TBax

composer2005 · Fierce Wolf Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Posts: 561

Because himself the lord with a command, with a voice of a chief messenger, and with a trumpet of God will come down from heaven, and the dead ones in Anointed will be raised first; (1 Thess. 4:16) EMPHATIC Diaglott Original Greek NT Text Interlinear 'Word for Word' (LHS)

NB: The clearer interpretation . . . with a voice of a chief messenger . . .

Christ is God's chief Messenger. Christ therefore speaks as God's chief messenger.

As my Post above and the Scriptural proofs I provided (that goes straight over TBax's head and he foolishly ignores) Christ was never a heavenly angel of any kind whatsoever. Therefore Christ could never speak 'as if he were' a heavenly angel, however he could and was and shall again speak as God's chief messenger having been given that authority from his God. (John 5:30, Matt. 28:18) KJV

It is a shame that TBax has not the courage to step forward and have his claims tested openly from the first book of the Bible where his and their alleged Satan fallen heavenly angel literal spirit being is claimed to have taken part in the Genesis narrative (although there is no mention of it in the Genesis narrative) because it is from that point that the J.W's and TBax' current doctrine fails and therefore the remainder of that Satanic, Demon beliefs, is based upon a non sequitur (faulty reasoning).

Until he is prepared to at least try, readers here would be well advised to ignore what he currently presupposes to be truth and correct interpretation, when it is certainly not and I can and will continue to prove that it is not.

His current doctrine is so flawed, my attempting to correct it in reference to say the Book of Revelation (the most complex and Last of the Books of the Bible) would be futile. However commencing in Genesis (the First Book, where the Bible message begins) is more appropriate.

The very fact that God punished the Serpent creature itself (Gen. 3:14) KJV and ' not ' this alleged separate and external evil angelic force, they claimed to have influenced / manipulated it (like a ventriloquist's dummy) demonstrates the blatant weakness of their argument and thus their subsequent suspect doctrine based upon that false premiss.

Thank you.

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Luvnlife · Lion King Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 1197 Location: US

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