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saintmichaeldefendthem · Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:46 am Post subject:

Nope. He's gassing up the tanks as we speak. When an armed regiment starts marching in downtown Caracas, we'll know how committed Chavez is to democracy.
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What a stunning rhetorical riposte, sir! I say, you've cut me to the quick! The incisive thrust of your logical cutlass has struck me to the bone! Alas, I fear the wound is fatal! O, untimely death!

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

with the nation split right at fifty fifty..it should be interesting...

Plotinus · Lion Joined: 15 May 2007 Posts: 901 Location: Canada

saintmichaeldefendthem · Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:48 pm Post subject:

Of course you agree with this myth, even though it's never been demonstrated to be true, and the communists have had 60 years to prove themselves right. The despotic mindset is blind to the evil of taking people's freedom and right to self-determination. It's an easy position to take while enjoying the fruits of freedom.

No doubt, capitalism can be evil too. Unbridled capitalism had its trial in this country, and the result was child labor, exploitation of the poor, meat market horror stories, and scams a-plenty. So it became necessary to implement certain regulatory measures. Adam Smith's "invisible hand" has a tether on it now.

But one thing capitalism has produced that Communism never has and never will, is the maximum freedom to determine the path of one's life, relative prosperity for all, even the poor who have plenty to eat, and the best medical care in the world. If you think communism is so much greater, then try living in a communist country.

No matter how well administered, communism can never be moral because it always uses force to compel people into a system. Moreover, it ensures that one can never achieve wealth. We have poor people in this country, but the principle remains that anyone who wants something better for themselves have ample opportunity to strive for it. Communism, by it's very despotic nature, can never be considered "good" because it steals the hopes and dreams of humanity and enslaves people to waste their lives to support the system.

Moreover, central planning has always been proven to be a fallacy because the government is never as clever as the millions of people who, in the cause of self interest, will fill every market gap imaginable. Central planning ensured that there would be long food lines, frequent food shortages, and few choices of goods and services. How many times have we had to give food aid to the USSR and North Korea. Out of the abundance of our capitalist system, we have mountains of food to give to those countries clinging to failed philosophies of government.

The Jamestown settlement bore this out as well. The settlers there first tried communism. All land was communal, and all labor was for the common good. What happened was that nobody had the incentive to work hard, as it got them no further than those who were lazy. With no incentive, the settlers did not produce enough to sustain themselves and were on the verge of starvation. When they changed their system so each person had their own land to work, then they became altogether prosperous as each member saw the fruits of their labor, and they had surplus as well.

How many times does it need to be proved that capitalism trumps communism as a superior system?
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What a stunning rhetorical riposte, sir! I say, you've cut me to the quick! The incisive thrust of your logical cutlass has struck me to the bone! Alas, I fear the wound is fatal! O, untimely death!

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

yes and balanced socialism beats them both...

Plotinus · Lion Joined: 15 May 2007 Posts: 901 Location: Canada

saintmichaeldefendthem · Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 7:31 am Post subject:

Plot,

They are both exercises of the same principle. If a lot of raw sewage is not good, then neither is a lesser amount.
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What a stunning rhetorical riposte, sir! I say, you've cut me to the quick! The incisive thrust of your logical cutlass has struck me to the bone! Alas, I fear the wound is fatal! O, untimely death!

Plotinus · Lion Joined: 15 May 2007 Posts: 901 Location: Canada

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

amen plot...