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Silver Surfer
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Joined: 12 Jul 2003
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Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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 Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:46 am Post subject: Re: Sabbath |
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Matt 12:5 - Have you not read in the law how that on the sabbath days the PRIEST IN THE TEMPLE PROFANETHE SABBATH AND ARE BLAMELESS[/quote]
| Quote: | | Very true james, my question to you is Why? |
May I answer that ?
The Sanctuary service (which God put into place) was a detailed illustration, of HOW Salvation works.
Its purpose was to teach people, about the Plan of Salvation, completely.
The role of the Priest was to be the mediator between man and God.....just as Jesus Christ, is today.
The mediator (priests then) were to represent Jesus.
They were to help a person in the pardoning of their sins, which meant the animal sacrifice activities, had to be made....even on the sabbath day.
Hebrews 9:21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
9:23 [It was] therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, [which are] the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
9:25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
They had a work to perform, even on the sabbath day....which means they profaned ('worked') on the sabbath day.
YET, were balmeless because there is no day off when it comes to forgiveness of sins.
It is a work that has to be done any and every single day, and any hour of the day. |
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james
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Joined: 18 Sep 2007
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And so in Rev 1:6 - And has made us ( Christ has through His blood Rev 1:5) kings and PRIESTS unto God and his Father; to Him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
We are now His priests. I do not know were you got your definition of "profane" but it does not mean - work, it means to desecrate.
Point being the Priests were blameless for breaking the Sabbath, we are now His Priests and is not Jesus the same (Heb 13:8). So as it was back then, so be it now only a Pharisee would try to accuse a Priest of breaking the Sabbath. And Christ answer would be the same (Heb13:8) we AS PRIEST are blameless. |
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galen
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Joined: 22 May 2005
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Location: Maine
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| james wrote: | ...
Point being the Priests were blameless for breaking the Sabbath, we are now His Priests and is not Jesus the same (Heb 13:8). So as it was back then, so be it now only a Pharisee would try to accuse a Priest of breaking the Sabbath. And Christ answer would be the same (Heb13:8) we AS PRIEST are blameless. |
We became as preists when the temple veil was rent open, exposing the holy of holies. |
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pato
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Joined: 11 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 8:51 am Post subject: Sabbath breaking |
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Thank you for your answer Silver Surfer, I appreciate it. You provided an answer to my question of why.
James, your answer of us being priests while being correct does not answer my question. In effect what you have said is that the OT priests profane the Sabbath and are blameless and we as priests can too...... My question to you as to why were they blameless is still unanswered. |
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Silver Surfer
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Joined: 12 Jul 2003
Posts: 2587
Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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| Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 9:37 am Post subject: |
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| james wrote: | | And so in Rev 1:6 - And has made us ( Christ has through His blood Rev 1:5) kings and PRIESTS unto God and his Father; to Him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. |
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We are now His priests. I do not know were you got your definition of "profane" but it does not mean - work, it means to desecrate. |
Simple logic dictates, that that is an error in logic.
In other words, how can a person who represents Jesus Christ, also desecrates Jesus Christ's work, in the plan of Salvation ?
| Quote: | | Point being the Priests were blameless for breaking the Sabbath, we are now His Priests and is not Jesus the same (Heb 13:8). So as it was back then, so be it now only a Pharisee would try to accuse a Priest of breaking the Sabbath. And Christ answer would be the same (Heb13:8) we AS PRIEST are blameless. |
Pharisees accused Jesus of wrong, when Jesus Christ was doing right.
Jesus Christ kept the 7th day sabbath just as HE made in the begining of earth's history (Genesis 2:2,3 & Exodus 20:8-11)
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It was the Pharisee who did NOT keep the 7th day sabbath, as originally intended.
It is the accuser who condemns a person of wrong, when they themselves, are wrong. |
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james
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Joined: 18 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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SS wrote,
Simple logic dictates, that that is an error in logic.
In other words, how can a person who represents Jesus Christ, also desecrates Jesus Christ's work, in the plan of Salvation ?
Answer: Simple logic does not dictate what the Bible says, THEY PROFANED (OR DESECRATED, DID NOT KEEP)THE SABBATH. If you are looking for a book to use simple logic with I would not recommend the Bible, for simple logic also tells us a virgin can not conceive a child (Matt 1:23) yet it happened; simple logic tells us also Joshua 10:12-13 is impossible, how could anyone make the sun stand still and stay the moon, yet it happened.
As for Gen 2:2-3 God rested period. And in Deut 5:1-21 especially in verse 3 - the Lord made NOT this covenent with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here ALIVE this day.
pato,
As for your question, I do not know. All I do know is Jesus said they are blameless. |
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Silver Surfer
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Joined: 12 Jul 2003
Posts: 2587
Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 10:51 am Post subject: |
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| james wrote: | SS wrote,
Simple logic dictates, that that is an error in logic.
In other words, how can a person who represents Jesus Christ, also desecrates Jesus Christ's work, in the plan of Salvation ?
Answer: Simple logic does not dictate what the Bible says, THEY PROFANED (OR DESECRATED, DID NOT KEEP)THE SABBATH. If you are looking for a book to use simple logic with I would not recommend the Bible, for simple logic also tells us a virgin can not conceive a child (Matt 1:23) yet it happened; simple logic tells us also Joshua 10:12-13 is impossible, how could anyone make the sun stand still and stay the moon, yet it happened.
As for Gen 2:2-3 God rested period. And in Deut 5:1-21 especially in verse 3 - the Lord made NOT this covenent with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here ALIVE this day.
pato,
As for your question, I do not know. All I do know is Jesus said they are blameless. |
And that is correct......anyone who does the Lord's work on the sabbath is without blame, such as doctors, nurses. |
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beloved57
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Joined: 21 Mar 2007
Posts: 256
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| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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| The keeping of the sabaath day or keeping any commandment has nothing to do with The Gospel Of Gods Grace.. |
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Silver Surfer
King Kong
Joined: 12 Jul 2003
Posts: 2587
Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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| Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:49 am Post subject: |
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| beloved57 wrote: | | The keeping of the sabaath day or keeping any commandment has nothing to do with The Gospel Of Gods Grace.. |
Without God's Grace....it is impossible to do what God says to do.
Grace, is God's power to obey what HE says to do.
Romans 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
1:6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:
Grace, also is to teach us......
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
AND, the Bible clearly states that keeping God's commandments is Righteousness.
Psalms 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments [are] righteousness.
Jesus Christ understood this fact......
John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. |
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beloved57
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Joined: 21 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | | beloved57 wrote: | | The keeping of the sabaath day or keeping any commandment has nothing to do with The Gospel Of Gods Grace.. |
Without God's Grace....it is impossible to do what God says to do.
Grace, is God's power to obey what HE says to do.
Romans 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
1:6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:
Grace, also is to teach us......
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
AND, the Bible clearly states that keeping God's commandments is Righteousness.
Psalms 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments [are] righteousness.
Jesus Christ understood this fact......
John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. |
You are a false teacher teaching lies, you no nothing of Gods grace.. |
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beloved57
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Joined: 21 Mar 2007
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| Quote: | | 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; |
Grace has not taught you not to utter filthy blasphemes yet.. |
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Silver Surfer
King Kong
Joined: 12 Jul 2003
Posts: 2587
Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| beloved57 wrote: | | Silver Surfer wrote: | | beloved57 wrote: | | The keeping of the sabaath day or keeping any commandment has nothing to do with The Gospel Of Gods Grace.. |
Without God's Grace....it is impossible to do what God says to do.
Grace, is God's power to obey what HE says to do.
Romans 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
1:6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:
Grace, also is to teach us......
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
AND, the Bible clearly states that keeping God's commandments is Righteousness.
Psalms 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments [are] righteousness.
Jesus Christ understood this fact......
John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. |
You are a false teacher teaching lies, you no nothing of Gods grace.. |
I see....then, you willingly REJECT these Bible verses ? |
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beloved57
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Joined: 21 Mar 2007
Posts: 256
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | | beloved57 wrote: | | Silver Surfer wrote: | | beloved57 wrote: | | The keeping of the sabaath day or keeping any commandment has nothing to do with The Gospel Of Gods Grace.. |
Without God's Grace....it is impossible to do what God says to do.
Grace, is God's power to obey what HE says to do.
Romans 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
1:6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:
Grace, also is to teach us......
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
AND, the Bible clearly states that keeping God's commandments is Righteousness.
Psalms 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments [are] righteousness.
Jesus Christ understood this fact......
John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. |
You are a false teacher teaching lies, you no nothing of Gods grace.. |
I see....then, you willingly REJECT these Bible verses ? |
I reject your corruption of the word of God.. You are a servant of the devil.. |
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Silver Surfer
King Kong
Joined: 12 Jul 2003
Posts: 2587
Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:40 am Post subject: |
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| beloved57 wrote: | | Silver Surfer wrote: | | beloved57 wrote: | | Silver Surfer wrote: | | beloved57 wrote: | | The keeping of the sabaath day or keeping any commandment has nothing to do with The Gospel Of Gods Grace.. |
Without God's Grace....it is impossible to do what God says to do.
Grace, is God's power to obey what HE says to do.
Romans 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
1:6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:
Grace, also is to teach us......
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
AND, the Bible clearly states that keeping God's commandments is Righteousness.
Psalms 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments [are] righteousness.
Jesus Christ understood this fact......
John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. |
You are a false teacher teaching lies, you no nothing of Gods grace.. |
I see....then, you willingly REJECT these Bible verses ? |
I reject your corruption of the word of God.. You are a servant of the devil.. |
8:49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me. |
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beloved57
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Joined: 21 Mar 2007
Posts: 256
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | | beloved57 wrote: | | Silver Surfer wrote: | | beloved57 wrote: | | Silver Surfer wrote: | | beloved57 wrote: | | The keeping of the sabaath day or keeping any commandment has nothing to do with The Gospel Of Gods Grace.. |
Without God's Grace....it is impossible to do what God says to do.
Grace, is God's power to obey what HE says to do.
Romans 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
1:6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:
Grace, also is to teach us......
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
AND, the Bible clearly states that keeping God's commandments is Righteousness.
Psalms 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments [are] righteousness.
Jesus Christ understood this fact......
John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. |
You are a false teacher teaching lies, you no nothing of Gods grace.. |
I see....then, you willingly REJECT these Bible verses ? |
I reject your corruption of the word of God.. You are a servant of the devil.. |
8:49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me. |
And you are not Jesus..Far from it, as I said, you are a servant of satan.. |
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