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dattaswami1
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:57 am    Post subject: One cannot become My dearest disciple unless one hates the w Reply with quote

One cannot become My dearest disciple unless one hates the worldly bonds

Purity means oneness. Pure gold means the single gold metal without the second metal like copper. When a single bond exists without a second bond, such single bond is called as pure love or devotion and this is the highest stage. In the lower stage, even if several bonds exist, one bond only becomes the top most, before which the other bonds get rejected in case of competition. In the childhood the paternal bond is top most. In youth the bond with beloved or wife is top most. Afterwards the bond with children becomes top most, which continues through out the life. The rejection of other bonds before the top most bond is the meaning of the word “hate” used by Jesus while stating that one cannot become His dearest disciple unless one hates the worldly bonds.

The bond with inert money is only to see the happiness in parents, wife and children (life). The bond with one’s own life happens to be the top most bond from birth to death and before this bond the other bonds may be rejected or this bond may be rejected before the other bonds. It varies from one individual to the other. The bond with God is also like the bond with money. People love God and money for the sake of happiness of self (life), parents, wife and children only. Money and God are only the instruments to achieve happiness for the sake of self, parents, wife and children. If these bonds are absent, the bond with God and money disappears. This is the case of Pravrutti (material life), which is the general trend of most of the devotees. Only few exceptional cases exist among the devotees for whom God becomes the top most. Such exceptional devotees come under Nivrutti ( loving service to God)and God loves such exceptional devotees only.

The transformation of Pravrutti to Nivrutti is the real spiritual path. Jesus referred to such devotees of Nivrutti only in His statement as said above. The divine cinema aims to achieve such Nivrutti only. But people take God as an instrument to achieve protection and happiness of worldly bonds including self. Jesus says in the above statement that His dearest disciple must be prepared to carry on his own cross for the sake of God. This means that one has to sacrifice even the bond with life for the sake of God. In fact, Jesus sacrificed the bond with His life for the sake of God’s mission through crucifixion.

To establish justice and devotion on this earth, which is the primary aim of God’s mission, Such practical sacrifice with all worldly bonds including life for the sake of God’s mission alone could prove that God is the top most. Practical sacrifice alone can bring the real fruit and the theoretical knowledge and theoretical devotion should lead to the practical sacrifice. Theory is essential for the appearance of practice. Theory is like the seed and the subsequent practice resulting from it is like the tree. The tree alone can give the fruit. The knowledge and devotion are like water and fertilizer, which are essential for the seed to grow into the tree. Therefore, knowledge and devotion are important but without practice (Service), which is the work, there is no fruit.
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atoz
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:06 am    Post subject: Re: One cannot become My dearest disciple unless one hates t Reply with quote

dattaswami1 wrote:
One cannot become My dearest disciple unless one hates the worldly bonds

Purity means oneness. Pure gold means the single gold metal without the second metal like copper. When a single bond exists without a second bond, such single bond is called as pure love or devotion and this is the highest stage.
.....

The rejection of other bonds before the top most bond is the meaning of the word “hate” used by Jesus while stating that one cannot become His dearest disciple unless one hates the worldly bonds.


......
Such exceptional devotees come under Nivrutti ( loving service to God)
and God loves such exceptional devotees only. *[?]

The transformation of Pravrutti to Nivrutti is the real spiritual path. Jesus referred to such devotees of Nivrutti only in His statement as said above. The divine cinema aims to achieve such Nivrutti only.

......
. Theory is essential for the appearance of practice. Theory is like the seed and the subsequent practice resulting from it is like the tree.
......


Xlnt, Swami!

*? Rom 4:17: God only seems to ONLY love them.
He loves the highest and the lowest 100% equally!
Right? smile

Maybe for 'loves only'
you meant
'wants only that kind of Love or Lover,'

because
'wanting only'
looks like or sounds like
'loving only.'

But God loves all: the ones he wants and the ones he does not want.

One cannot become God's dearest disciple unless one hates the worldly bonds of Hate for any bond,
and loves the bond of Love for this bond and that opposite bond


God's Pure Bond of Love loves the bonds of
money and poverty,
life and death,
happiness and sadness,
friend and enemy,
having children and being childless,
single and married,
etc and etc.

The Bond of Love makes all double bonds the Unbreakable Triple Bond!
Ecclesiastes 4:12
And if one prevail against him, two shall withstand him; and
a threefold cord is not quickly broken.

in Unconditional Nivrutti Love,
which Word Love is God's BOB and God's WOW: smile
God's Bond of Bonds
and
God's Word of Words,
His 4 letters and one sound of WOW!smile
atoz


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Nobby
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Atoz, no need quoting the whole post!
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atoz
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby wrote:
Atoz, no need quoting the whole post!


Thanx, Nobby!

A Loving Tgiving to you and family!

I am thankful in Love to God for having you here!

with L&R,
atoz
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dattaswami1
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:56 pm    Post subject: Re: One cannot become My dearest disciple unless one hates t Reply with quote

[quote="atoz"]
dattaswami1 wrote:
[b]One cannot become My dearest disciple unless one.........and
God's Word of Words,
His 4 letters and one sound of WOW!smile
atoz


Thank you very much for the reply. I would like to add little more;

The love towards Lord should be spontaneous

The divine knowledge will make you realize that though this world is real for the soul, the bonds between souls are unreal and dramatic. The sage Astavakra preaches the King Janaka through “Astavakra Samhita”, in which, the sage says that the mother and son in this life are becoming husband and wife in the next life! It is a hero and heroine acting two different roles in different pictures. We have two pictures running side by side in two theatres in which the same couple of actors acting as husband and wife in one picture and acting as mother and son in another picture! This bond did not exist in the past birth and will not exist in the future birth. That which was unreal in the past and will be unreal in the future is also unreal in the present according to Shankara. It is just a dramatic bond.

Realize the main aim of human life and concentrate on that. You are unnecessarily worried in the side activity, which is just a change for recreation. Let her or him go to hell. Do not bother about it. There should be no tension in a game for a student. Game is just a recreation arranged for change. Do not be jealous on a classmate in a game. Be jealous in studies on the same classmate, because study is the main aim of your college life. Attractions are spontaneous, which can neither be created nor suppressed by force.

A forced attraction by fear is not real and what is the use of such faith and love? In spiritual path also, the attraction to God should be spontaneous and natural without fear or force.
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lone-traveler
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There should be no tension in a game for a student.
Be jealous in studies on the same classmate, because study is the main aim of your college life.

what if the game and the study are one in the same?
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dattaswami1
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lone-traveler wrote:
There should be no tension in a game for a student.
Be jealous in studies on the same classmate, because study is the main aim of your college life.

what if the game and the study are one in the same?


You are admitted in the college and your main aim is to get the degree. If you fail in the exams your main aim is upset, therefore, you should not get tension. Similarly you should have tension if the main aim of the human life i.e., to achieve the grace of God, fails. Except that, all this family life and relationships are only extra curricular activities. In your college life, a game is conducted as an extra curricular activity. Suppose you are defeated in it. You should take it sportively and not seriously, because that is not the main aim. Therefore take everything in life sportively, because, this life is not the ultimate aim. If family life only is the goal, even animals and birds have their family lives. The speciality of human life is to think and achieve the grace of God.
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