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lone-traveler
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I've been hunting for men's, women's clothing, garments.. to see if there was a specific difference mentioned here:
Deu 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so [are] abomination unto the LORD thy God.
And the only thing I can determine is the clothing specifically made for the office of the priesthood. Those clothes that Aaron and his sons were to where.
And I don't think men wear widow's clothes and veils.
other than that..still looking.. 
all I do know for sure is that Got clothed both Adam and Eve with skins..doesn't say it's the same kind of skins..like sheep or goats or what have you, or if it's talking about the flesh.
And they both took fig leaves and made themselves aprons..
Doesn't say one was longer or shorter, or one had figs on it and the other didn't.. 
So I'm not really sure, other than the clothes of the priesthood.
that's all for now folks.. 
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atoz
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:28 am Post subject: |
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| lone-traveler wrote: | I think Ben's smiling...
I can hear it in his words..
You know we LOVE you BEN!
hugs
lone |
Yes!
Ben,
We love you as JC
so we can love JC as you,
as per matthew 25:35-45.
We know it is hard to believe...until you start to lvoe YOU as God and JC lvoe u: as Himself!
John 15:
9As the Father hath loved me,
so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
based on the Golden Rule: Mt 7:12:
Since God lvoes JC as God Himself,
and JC loves himself as God Himself,
that is how they love you: as Themselves!!!!!
So that is HOW you are to lvoe you: As God and JC love u.
And how?
As every word and its opposite: mt 5:43-48.
sigh
Hardest person to lvoe is ourself, ben,
since we justify hating others by hating ourself---even while God loves ourself as Himself!
see?
sigh
GBY.
from the amen aisle of view,
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atoz
Emperor of the Solar System
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:34 am Post subject: |
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| Ben Chalfant wrote: | | Do you? |
See?
U must question if someone really loves u since YOU do NOT love yourself---all the way!
see, ben?
I do love you as me because I love me as you!
What is it about you that you hate?
Tell me, and i bet that I love about me that very same thing you hate about you!
try me!
please!smile
And If i do hate me as you hate you,
i promise to repent immediately to God in private and in public about that sin of hating myself as that word and will immediately love me as that word since God loves me as that word as he loves himself!
Guaranteed!
Test me out!smile
Do not be scared.
see 1 John 4:
18There is no fear in love;
but perfect love casteth out fear:
because fear hath torment.
He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
19We love him, because he first loved us.
20If a man say,
I love God,
and hateth his brother,
he is a liar:
for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen,
how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
GBY.
from the aisle of view,
atoz
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atoz
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:47 am Post subject: |
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| luvnlife wrote: | I went hunting with my husband and another couple yesterday and I wore some pretty industrial-type camoflauge pants.... not sure if they were fire-retardant or not though........(hmmmm)
(But thanks to the teachings of atoz, I am loving myself in womens jeans and in mens camo pants as I love others in camo pants or levis and myself in a dress or a skirt.....) 
Luv |
Luv!
Awesome!
So you are well dressed in the Dress of Love, Mt 22:12,
even when naked,
and doubly dressed when wearing jeans or camo pants or LUvis, smile or dress or skirt!!!!!!!!!2 Cor 12:10
Well, I am humbled and thankful.
But, Luv, you KNOW that is NOT my teachings!smile
God taught it to me: so it is all His teaching: I am just a pen or an agent or a twig that he is using to pass this info on Love out!
sigh thank you God! and JC!
It's such a beautiful thing to hear people speak in Love!
And the great thing is that you do not have to give up anything else: your church nor religion nor whatever:
U just add Love on or in,
and then that Love makes all of what you do loving, all of what you speak loving and all of what YOU THINK LOVING!!!!!2 corin 10:5. 1 Corin 6:12. 10:23.
Then that love auto makes you WANT to keep God's laws in general, with the sure knowledge that you can break them IN LOVE, without breaking the LAW of LOVE!!!!
So it frees us up, liberates us, makes us free INDEED!
sigh
Praise the Lord.
Now, this info is NOT mine: but YOURS!
Nobody has a monoploly or copyright on Love:
Love is God's and he gives it all away for free to everyone!!!isaiah 55:1.
My prayer is that God calls all to love as per john 6:44-45.
So Luv, over to you, and LT and Tss and Bitterlily and Diane and Holly and whoever else I forgot:smile
Spread the word!
Like the beatles said:
haven't you heard?
Love is the word!smile
from the aisle of view,
atoz
Bonus:
The Living Years
by
Mike And The Mechanics
[edited: DID for don't! which is what Mike really wanted to say!]
Every generation
Blames the one before
And all of their frustrations
Come beating on your door
I know that I'm a prisoner
To all my father held so dear
I know that I'm a hostage
To all his hopes and fears
I just wish I could have told him
In the living years
Crumpled bits of paper
Filled with imperfect thought
Stilted conversations
I'm afraid that's all we've got
You say you just don't see it
He says it's perfect sense
You just can't get agreement
In this present tense
We all talk a different language
Talking in defence
Say it loud, say it clear
You can listen as well as you hear
It's too late when we die
To admit we DID see eye to eye
So we open up a quarrel
Between the present and the past
We only sacrifice the future
It's the bitterness that lasts
So don't yield to the fortunes
You sometimes see as fate
It may have a new perspective
On a different day
And if you don't give up,
And don't give in
You may just be OK
Say it loud, say it clear
You can listen as well as you hear
It's too late when we die
To admit we DID see eye to eye
I wasn't there that morning
When my father passed away
I didn't get to tell him
All the things I had to say.
I think I caught his spirit
Later that same year
I'm sure I heard his echo
In my baby's new born tears
I just wish I could have told him
In the living years
Say it loud, say it clear
You can listen as well as you hear
It's too late when we die
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:57 am Post subject: |
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oohh atoz,
for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen,
how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
And I thought...
Because we do Love God whom we have not seen, then knowing that we are all God's children, we don't need to "see" eachother to love one another..because he is All and IN All...
I think it's harder to love someone you have seen, because you judge them by appearance. And what's on the outside isn't necesarily true on the inside..
But the words we read here..they come from inside the person, and we love our brothers and sisters because they share who they are with us.
It doesn't matter if they share their good/bad, gentle/rough, light/heavy...words and thoughts.
It's just the fact that they are here with us sharing a part of themselves with us that really counts..
We're all different which really makes us all the same.
and so if we can love the differences with ourselves, we can love others differences the same..
so really we're no different than anyone else because we all share the same differences.
But the one common factor which binds us all together as the same, is the love we share for one another regardless of our differences..
hugs
lone
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Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. |
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atoz
Emperor of the Solar System
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:14 am Post subject: |
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| james wrote: | In Deut 22:5 I know it says a man is not to wear what pertains to a woman and vise-versa, but does anywhere in the Bible specify what a mans garment is or a womans garment ??? Or is it okay to let our culture deside.
I do know scripture talks of a woman dressing modestly, but I am talking about specifically does scripture say such and such is a man's garment and such and such is a woman's garment.
And if not, how is it we can condemn people for what they wear, or guide them as to what is inappropriate ??? |
Hi James,
this is what Dt 22:5 means when read in the spirit of Love for each word and its opposite, in which unconditional spirit of Love God wrote it:
The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man JUST BECAUSE SHE HATES or OUT OF HATE FOR WOMEN OR WOMEN'S CLOTHING,
nor shall a woman wear women's clothing BECAUSE SHE HATES MEN AND HATES MEN'S CLOTHES.
Neither shall a man put on a woman's garment JUST BECAUSE HE HATES MEN OR MEN'S CLOTHES,
NOR shall a man wear even men's clothes because he hates or out of hate for women and women's clothings.
: for all that do so IN HATE are abomination unto the LORD thy God.
But each gender IN LVOE OF BOTH GENDERS can wear IN LOVE what they want OR IN LOVE DON'T WANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In which case, NO MATTER what else they wear or choose to NOT wear,
all genders will be WEARING THE CLOTHING OF LOVE ON THEIR MINDS AND HEARTS AT ALL TIMES AND EVERYWHERE!
For example, this is what God is also saying thru peter here:
1 Peter 3
1Likewise, ye wives,
be in subjection to your own husbands [IN LOVE ALSO AS RULERS OVER THEM as per Ephes 5:21 SO YOU CD LOVE THEM AS RULERS AS YOURSELVES, AND SO TEACH YOUR KIDS TO LOVE YOU AS RULER OVER THE KIDS TOO!!!!];
that, if any obey not the word,
they also may without the word be won
by the conversation[WORD[ of [LOVE from] the wives;
2While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear [in Love].
3Whose adorning let it not [ONLY] be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and [ONLY] of wearing of gold, or [ONLY] of putting on of apparel;
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[b]But let it [ASLO ALWAYS] be the hidden man of the heart,
**in that which is not corruptible,**
even the ornament[GARMENT, CLOAK, COAT, HABITUDE] of a [THE] meek and quiet spirit [OF GOD'S LOVE FOR EACH WORD AND ITS OPPOSITE],
which is in the sight of God of great price.
Hope that helps.
from the aisle of view,
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atoz
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:19 am Post subject: |
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| Loveall wrote: | | What in the world is this supposed to mean? What does pants have to do with christianity? |
Loveall,
Good q!
Exactly zilch except we are talking the Pants of Love, for all that POL is to be worn on the heart at all times in all places !smile
The physical heart has a caul or clothing of fine skin on it symbolizng the spiritual Skin of Love,
which Skin of Love
makes us all kin
and
makes us all in!smile
John 13:
35By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
in the aisle of view,
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atoz
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:32 am Post subject: |
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| lone-traveler wrote: | oohh atoz,
for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen,
how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
And I thought...
Because we do Love God whom we have not seen, then knowing that we are all God's children, we don't need to "see" eachother to love one another..because he is All and IN All...
I think it's harder to love someone you have seen, because you judge them by appearance. And what's on the outside isn't necesarily true on the inside..
But the words we read here..they come from inside the person, and we love our brothers and sisters because they share who they are with us.
It doesn't matter if they share their good/bad, gentle/rough, light/heavy...words and thoughts.
It's just the fact that they are here with us sharing a part of themselves with us that really counts..
We're all different which really makes us all the same.
and so if we can love the differences with ourselves, we can love others differences the same..
so really we're no different than anyone else because we all share the same differences.
But the one common factor which binds us all together as the same, is the love we share for one another regardless of our differences..
hugs
lone |
Awesome, LT!
And, what you wrote made me think of this never thought of before:
Since we love God whom we have NOT seen, and have never seen,
how do we know what he LOOKS like or SOUNDS like or whatever like?
We CAN'T know!
So God might as well be everything we DO see!
So there is NEVER EVER any reason or HATE anyone for any reason since that very SEEN person COULD BE exactly what God whom we have never seen looks like and whom we say we love!
Also it explains why God hides the person of himself--so much!smile
I personally think God has the ability to make himself into any shape or form at any instant---so that he IS everything and all things and all shapes and all forms and all figures--in effect all words!!!!!!!
from the aisle of view,
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:46 am Post subject: |
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Hbr 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.
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atoz
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:09 am Post subject: |
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| lone-traveler wrote: | | Hbr 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares. |
And he who is a stranger
is he who is more strange than he who is strange!smile
And God says:
And to love strangers,
we have to love strange & rangers,
and to love strange,
we have to love range,
and to love ranger,
we have to love anger,
and to love anger...
hey,
just love all letters of the alphabet!smile
ok?
Oh?
U do already?
Hmmmmm!smile
So who told you, adam, er, I mean, atoz, to hate any words made up of those Love-letters?
hmmmm
in the aisle of view,
atoz |
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Loveall
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:10 am Post subject: |
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| atoz wrote: |
And he who is a stranger
is he who is more strange than he who is strange!smile
And God says:
And to love strangers,
we have to love strange & rangers,
and to love strange,
we have to love range,
and to love ranger,
we have to love anger,
and to love anger...
hey,
just love all letters of the alphabet!smile
ok?
Oh?
U do already?
Hmmmmm!smile
So who told you, adam, er, I mean, atoz, to hate any words made up of those Love-letters?
hmmmm
in the aisle of view,
atoz |
LOL? Sorry atoz, still don't know what you mean. I'm afraid you and I will not have too many intellectual discussions together. |
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atoz
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:55 am Post subject: |
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| Loveall wrote: | | atoz wrote: |
And he who is a stranger
is he who is more strange than he who is strange!smile
And God says:
....
hey,
just love all letters of the alphabet!smile
ok?
Oh?
U do already?
Hmmmmm!smile
So who told you, adam, er, I mean, atoz, to hate any words made up of those Love-letters?
hmmmm
in the aisle of view,
atoz |
LOL? Sorry atoz, still don't know what you mean. I'm afraid you and I will not have too many intellectual discussions together. |
Sigh.
Loveall,
so just ask a specific question!like JC did!
But I am going to take your 'still don't know' what you mean as an implied q!
ok?
I mean that when we learn our abc's as we did by loving them,
those letters all become Love-letters,
which then make all words composed of all those Love- letters into Love words or God's words since God is Love.
see?
So since i love all my letters,
then there is simply NO word or words that i don't love!
qed!
[This is how kids start life out: they are totally in Love--Mt 18:1-3, 1 Cor 14:20---until some adult comes along and teaches them to hate any words made up of Love-letters and so completely mixes that child up!]
Any way, since letters are made of sound,
when we love all sound and all letters,
we have also sound minds and pure Love!smile
Like this:
2 Timothy 1:
7For God hath not given us the spirit of fear;
but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
Titus 1:
15Unto the pure all things are pure:
but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
1 John 3
1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
Now as for intellectual discussions,
as long as you keep 'em child-level,
i am fine!
may be I shd ask you a q:
Is math english?smile
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Luvnlife
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| HeKkLeR wrote: | [quote="luvnlife | Quote: | | "]having brats cooked over an open flame and enjoying good company enough. |
We all enjoyed the day (though my little girl was getting antsy being in the car so much) |
I must be understanding this incorrectly... my God, I hope so! [/quote][/quote]
Yeah... I think you may have misunderstood. I was referring to "brat"wurst... as in 'Johnsonville' ....
Luv
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eleven
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't think it matters much that women wear pants. I think these scriptures were referring more to the roles of men and women rather than what they were actually wearing. I mean, think about it. If a man is going to dress as a woman - wearing female garments, he's hardly going to do so at his job on the construction site. The only reason he would do so would be to make himself "womanly." The same is true for women. I don't think God meant women who wear levis are going to hell. I think what He was saying is, women are not to wear the pants in the family, while men were not to act effeminate. |
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Luvnlife
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| eleven wrote: | | Quote: | | If a man is going to dress as a woman - wearing female garments, he's hardly going to do so at his job on the construction site. The only reason he would do so would be to make himself "womanly." The same is true for women. I don't think God meant women who wear levis are going to hell. I think what He was saying is, women are not to wear the pants in the family, while men were not to act effeminate. |
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I think there are two things to consider when you choose to 'change' yourself to the extent that you are 'changing' who you are:
1) Maybe it's a slap in the face to God. He made us one way and it's an act of defiance to reject His plan, reject His blue-print.
2) Consider the selfishness of changing genders. The wasted time, wasted money. More and more in the news, we here about people undergoing operations to become the opposite of what God made them. We hear about the devestating affect their decision has on their families. We hear about all the effort involved in changing from a man to a woman or a woman in to a man. We hear stories of deceit and lies by people who then want to hide their pasts.
I wear female clothing most of the time .. over 95% of the time. Occasionally, I wear my husbands shirt or, like when I go hunting, I may even wear his camo pants or his jacket.
I don't want to be a man. I do want to be warm and I do want to be wearing camo in the woods when we are hunting. Sometimes I wear a shirt of his because it's comfy and it makes me feel closer to him. It has his scent on it.
I think eleven is right to point out the fact that it has more to do with 'gender roles' than a literal pair of pants.
Love, Luv
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