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theseldomscene
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Argenta
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| theseldomscene wrote: | | yes argenta...china is a great example of a society that is non religious...stablizing....their population... |
You should try to answer my point TSS, not my non-point (wow, I'm getting to sound like atoz )
I didn't mention China because the means used to control population are draconian. They don't have self-control as in Europe and Japan they have forced birth control. But the reason they need (or their government thinks they need) forced control is because they are SO superstitious. Although religion has been ruthlessly suppressed (which I do not support), they remain the most superstitious country I have ever visited. They believe supernatural creatures can be found everywhere. And whilst the government was good at closing churches, it failed totally to make the population non-religious. Now the pressure on religion has been eased, China has the fastest growing Christian population and (I think) the fastest growing Muslim population of any country in the world.
So by my hypothesis I would expect the Chinese population to be growing fast, and I think it would be if it were not for government repression.
India is another example of a very superstitous country whose population growth has subsided but only because of 40+ years of relentless and sometimes ruthless government action.
I still think my hypothesis is sound. Countries with a decent standard of living, good education and low superstition (religion) will stabilse their populations.
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atoz
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| Argenta wrote: |
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You should try to answer my point TSS, not my non-point (wow, I'm getting to sound like atoz )
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There you go!smile
Which means that I sound like you too!smile
In Love of all sounds and no-sounds,
you can't help but have a sound mind,
and sound like everybody else,
especially when you are making the sounds of silence!smile
from the audio-visual aisle of view,
atoz
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Argenta
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| theseldomscene wrote: | | Argenta wrote: | | theseldomscene wrote: | eccl.4:1 So I returned, and considered all the oppressions that are done under the sun: and behold the tears of such as were oppressed, and they had no comforter; and on the side of their oppressors there was power; but they had no comforter.
2 Wherefore I praised the dead which are already dead more than the living which are yet alive.
3 Yea, better is he than both they, which hath not yet been, who hath not seen the evil work that is done under the sun. |
What a depressing philosophy. |
then i suggest you look around the world and see how true of a philosophy it is... |
This philosophy entreats me to compare the lot of the dead with the lot of the unborn. Something that neither I nor you can do. So please tell me how you make this comparison.
| theseldomscene wrote: | | Quote: | | If I understand this correctly, the author is saying the world is full of oppression which the living have to suffer and the unborn will have to suffer. Therefore the dead are best off because they do not have to suffer it any more. |
and exactly which part of that is untrue?... |
The world is not full of repression. There is repression but I see untold numbers of happy unoppressed people, don't you?
| theseldomscene wrote: | | Quote: | | Firstly, the author's premise is wrong. Many people do not feel they have to endure a life of unremitting oppression, therefore the whole argument fails. |
here is where your point starts to break down...for the teacher plainly said many do not suffer oppression...here...it is in this part...maybe in the ghastliness of it you did not read that far.. 
| Quote: | | and on the side of their oppressors there was power |
so he was not so wrong...just your understanding of it... |
No TSS. my argument does not break down. Your teacher implies that only the oppressors are not oppressed. This is just not true today. I am not oppressed and I do not (to my knowledge) oppress anyone AND I do NOT believe I would be better off dead!
| theseldomscene wrote: | | Quote: | | Secondly, if his/her first premise were true, the positive thing would be to argue that we should change the world rather than recommend death. |
yes...he goes on to teach something similiar to that... |
I have not seen that teaching but, if he does, then his teaching is contradictory. We are either better off dead or better off fighting to improve our lot and overthrow our oppressors. We can't be both simultaneously
| theseldomscene wrote: | | Quote: | | I do hope this is not from a teacher you take seriously. |
oh i take him very seriously... |
I feared as much. When your teacher says dumb things why don't you question him?
One more thing, if this teacher is correct, don't you ask how your god could have created a world where people are better off dead than unborn or living? Sounds like your god is the ultimate miserable failure doesn't it?
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Plotinus wrote: | There are two things to note about Argenta's world. Argenta would increase our love for each other by making
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people feel towards their fellow men, the same way we feel towards our own children, loving, protective, nurturing and caring.
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(The boldface is mine.)
Additionally, as she said, she would not protect us from our own folly. We would still fall out of buildings and die at traffic intersections. I queried this point very carefully, because I wanted to be absolutely clear on Argenta's intentions here.
Put these two together. It is a Monkey's Paw world. (You know--the one act play The Monkey's Paw? Tragedy unfolds when a couple gets a monkey's paw which grants wishes.) I have a daughter who is the joy of my life. If she were harmed in traffic -- God forbid -- or died much before me, it would devastate me. I doubt that I could recover to my old self ever again. But in Argenta's world this relationship with my daughter is multiplied a billion fold. Every day millions of children like my daughter die in unrelenting suffering. This is a terrible thing. But if I were required to love each person around the world as my daughter I would go mad with grief.
Yes, it is true that God has not made us as loving as we could be of total strangers. But perhaps we can function as human beings because of it. |
This is an excellent challenge Plotinus and one that inspires me to modify my design (quality assurance is a great thing--pity the big guy didn't have anyone to QA his work).
You are quite right, of course, the intense love commonly felt by parents for their children would increase suffering and it would not be practicable--how would you send out 6 billion birthday cards each year or 'phone 6 billion people each week to make sure they are ok??
No, I need to scale back the bond between non-related humans for this to work but I don't need to scale back to the level of indifference or hostility that we see in the old god's world.
So let me suggest a modified design:
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people feel towards their fellow men, the same way we feel towards our distant family members whom we rarely see. We like them (usually  ), are concerned for their well-being and will offer them help whenever they need it.
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This would still make us less willing to engage in hostilities with them or treat them as inferior outsiders or be indifferent to their pain and suffering as so often happens with this world's design.
Does that modification solve your problem and allow you to give me your vote Plotinus?
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Argenta | Quote: | | This philosophy entreats me to compare the lot of the dead with the lot of the unborn. Something that neither I nor you can do. So please tell me how you make this comparison. |
quite simple really...ones life and troubles are over...the others has yet to begin...
| Quote: | | The world is not full of repression. There is repression but I see untold numbers of happy unoppressed people, don't you? |
and how does that make his words untrue?...
[quote="theseldomscene"][quote]Firstly, the author's | Quote: | | No TSS. my argument does not break down. Your teacher implies that only the oppressors are not oppressed. This is just not true today. I am not oppressed and I do not (to my knowledge) oppress anyone AND I do NOT believe I would be better off dead! |
that is because you don't know what is best for you argenta...
| Quote: | | I have not seen that teaching but, if he does, then his teaching is contradictory. We are either better off dead or better off fighting to improve our lot and overthrow our oppressors. We can't be both simultaneously |
why not...why could one not be better of dead...and still try to make the world better?...how is that contradictory?.. ...i think you are misusing the word...
| Quote: | | I feared as much. When your teacher says dumb things why don't you question him? |
because what he said is correct...
| Quote: | | One more thing, if this teacher is correct, don't you ask how your god could have created a world where people are better off dead than unborn or living? Sounds like your god is the ultimate miserable failure doesn't it? |
no ...not at all...sounds like everything is working just like HE wants it to...
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theseldomscene
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plus i don't think you addressed my concern about your world enough...
for if it is as you say...do you give them birth control for the start...?...
like with no wars...no drunk drivers...no violence...no disasters....no speeders...no real risk takers, because if they die taking a risk they would hurt someone, like their mommies...
there is no way unless you restrict their freewill will you would give them, or implimenting some type of forced birth control that the population could be kept under control...
if you made them naturall to only bew able to have two kids...that would be ok since you are god and all and they would never know anything else so it would be normal...if however, you left it up to them, then there would be an over population problem...if however, you stopped them later, then any about the matter is freewill is gone...plus...
from you talks with plot...you are building a world of potential incest...
for if people could have sex with other people...and in that sex love one another like their own children...that has the potential to lead to some sick confusion..it is kind of disturbing and sick to me...
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Argenta
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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| theseldomscene wrote: | [quote="Argenta | Quote: | | This philosophy entreats me to compare the lot of the dead with the lot of the unborn. Something that neither I nor you can do. So please tell me how you make this comparison. |
quite simple really...ones life and troubles are over...the others has yet to begin... |
One who is unborn does not exist. One who is dead does not exist. It is incoherent to compare how happy two non-existent non-entities are! We may be able to judge how happy a living person is but we cannot compare that state with the before conception or after death states--the person only exists whilst alive.
I note that you have a worrying tendency to equate life to troubles. Why not equate life to joy, passion, love, companionship, adventure and a hundred other positive things? Is this life=troubles thing a Christian perspective or just a TSS perspective?
| theseldomscene wrote: | | Quote: | | I have not seen that teaching but, if he does, then his teaching is contradictory. We are either better off dead or better off fighting to improve our lot and overthrow our oppressors. We can't be both simultaneously |
why not...why could one not be better of dead...and still try to make the world better?...how is that contradictory?.. ...i think you are misusing the word... |
We cannot be better off dead AND better off fighting to improve our lot. One or the other--not both.
| theseldomscene wrote: | | Quote: | | I feared as much. When your teacher says dumb things why don't you question him? |
because what he said is correct... |
TSS says black is white is not much of an argument...
| theseldomscene wrote: | | Quote: | | One more thing, if this teacher is correct, don't you ask how your god could have created a world where people are better off dead than unborn or living? Sounds like your god is the ultimate miserable failure doesn't it? |
no ...not at all...sounds like everything is working just like HE wants it to... |
You seriously think a loving god would purposely create a world so aweful that people are better off when they're dead???
It may be that behind your obscurantism is a belief that we don't really die, that we go somewhere better. That is of course, an extraordinary and bizarre idea that has no, absolutely no evidence to support it. Indeed, all the evidence points to the opposite. So if you believe this how can you be sure?
I'm reminded of the Joe Hill song that I love:
Long-haired preachers come out every night,
Try to tell you what's wrong and what's right;
But when asked how 'bout something to eat
They will answer with voices so sweet:
Chorus:
You will eat, bye and bye,
In that glorious land above the sky;
Work and pray, live on hay,
You'll get pie in the sky when you die.
For best results, sing it to the tune In the Sweet Bye and Bye.
Think about it. If I'm right and you're wrong, you will have wasted so much of your only life looking forward to an afterlife that will not arrive. Like everyone else when you finally die, the lights will go out for you, you will feel no pain, no emotions, you will hear nothing, see nothing, taste nothing, smell nothing, remember nothing and think nothing. You will be nothing. Just memories in the minds of those who knew you. Best to make sure they are good memories...
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Argenta"][
| Quote: | | One who is unborn does not exist. |
so?..
| Quote: | | One who is dead does not exist. |
sure they do...just the body is in a dead state...
are you saying you believe the body disappears at death?...i don't...and i believe the soul of the living always lives(of course the living being those who believe)...
| Quote: | | It is incoherent to compare how happy two non-existent non-entities are! We may be able to judge how happy a living person is but we cannot compare that state with the before conception or after death states--the person only exists whilst alive. |
why not?..
| Quote: | | I note that you have a worrying tendency to equate life to troubles. |
really?...because my wife says i worry about nothing...so maybe you are mistaken...and please stay on topic argenta...
| Quote: | | Why not equate life to joy, passion, love, companionship, adventure and a hundred other positive things? Is this life=troubles thing a Christian perspective or just a TSS perspective? |
i think the comment you made=argenta's lack of perspective on the discussion...see above for why...
| Quote: | | We cannot be better off dead AND better off fighting to improve our lot. |
sure we can...there is no reason in the world we can't...tell my why one could not be better of dead and at the same time fighting to improve their lot...
| Quote: | | One or the other--not both. |
you keep saying, but have not shown it...
| Quote: | | TSS says black is white is not much of an argument... |
please quote...
| Quote: | | You seriously think a loving god would purposely create a world so aweful that people are better off when they're dead??? |
sure...for as a CHRISTian...one is better off with HIM...and for a railing non-believer...with every word going to be called into account...if they never believe...they would be better off dying so their words would not be so many...
| Quote: | | It may be that behind your obscurantism is a belief that we don't really die, that we go somewhere better. |
sure is....
| Quote: | | That is of course, an extraordinary and bizarre idea that has no, absolutely no evidence to support it. |
oh sure there is argenta...plenty of it...just because you have not seen doesn't mean it is not so...it just means you are not enlightened to it is all...
| Quote: | | Indeed, all the evidence points to the opposite. |
oh...you have evidence that man has no continuing spirit...please show us...i would love to see it...
| Quote: | I'm reminded of the Joe Hill song that I love:
Long-haired preachers come out every night,
Try to tell you what's wrong and what's right;
But when asked how 'bout something to eat
They will answer with voices so sweet:
Chorus:
You will eat, bye and bye,
In that glorious land above the sky;
Work and pray, live on hay,
You'll get pie in the sky when you die. |
well that preachers doctrine is completely unbiblical...for if one is hungry and one has food...they should feed them...
| Quote: | | For best results, sing it to the tune In the Sweet Bye and Bye. |
ok... ...yeah...that is kind of catchy isn't it?..
| Quote: | | Think about it. If I'm right and you're wrong, you will have wasted so much of your only life looking forward to an afterlife that will not arrive. |
oh but my dearest, lovely friend...i am such a poor, ignorant pitiful soul...that it is far past belief for me argenta...
| Quote: | | Best to make sure they are good memories... |
with this i agree...
love you too... |
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Argenta
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:11 am Post subject: |
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Somehow I doubt that you are taking this discussion seriously TSS... And I really don't want to spend my time dancing in circles with you. Let's either have a debate with the serious intent of making progress or forget it.
When I said there is no evidence of life after death you replied "oh sure there is argenta...plenty of it..." And you challenged me to show evidence that there is no soul that could survive death. So I'll make one last attempt to debate with you. You show me your evidence (plenty of it) and I'll show you mine. OK?
I'll start.
The main evidence against a soul comes from our increasing understanding of how the brain works. Although, the brain is understood only at a high level, we do understand what many different parts of the brain do. We can be quite sure that our senses (vision, hearing, tastes etc), personality, emotions, reasoning, memory, behaviours, locomotion, recognition of objects, words, people etc, even our facial expressions arise from different parts of the brain. We know that because when specific parts of the brain are damaged, say after an accident or stroke, then the corresponding function ceases to work.
If any of these things arose from a non-material soul that could survive death, we could expect those aspects also to survive brain damage. But nothing, so far as we currently know does. Indeed there is a huge amount of evidence from neurology and psychology showing that everything that is human about us is a result of a physical brain. So there seems to be no room left for an invulnerable soul.
***Late breaking news added***
I have just read the report by Dr. Marco Iacoboni, a neuroscientist at the University of California, Los Angeles, in which he claims to have identified the actual brain cells in humans that are responsible for empathy. Not too surprising as these cells were found in primates some time ago (primates have empathy too) but this eliminates another hiding place for the "soul" and shows how close we are to our evolutionary cousins.
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Ok challenge this by all means but now it's your turn to show me real concrete evidence that a non-material soul exists that can survive brain death. Please be serious and do not quote the Bible--we both know that is not evidence.
This is important for both of us, after all we are both betting our lives on it 
Love
Argenta
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Argenta
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:26 am Post subject: |
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| theseldomscene wrote: | plus i don't think you addressed my concern about your world enough...
for if it is as you say...do you give them birth control for the start...?... |
I would give them intelligence; they would be able to work out birth control just like we humans did.
| theseldomscene wrote: | | like with no wars...no drunk drivers...no violence...no disasters....no speeders...no real risk takers, because if they die taking a risk they would hurt someone, like their mommies... |
In my world people have free will so we cannot rule out violence (presumably primarily from disturbed individuals), or speedsters and why wouldn't there be risk-takers? Of course there would. Nothing in my design would prevent people from taking risks.
| theseldomscene wrote: | there is no way unless you restrict their freewill will you would give them, or implimenting some type of forced birth control that the population could be kept under control...
if you made them naturall to only bew able to have two kids...that would be ok since you are god and all and they would never know anything else so it would be normal...if however, you left it up to them, then there would be an over population problem...if however, you stopped them later, then any about the matter is freewill is gone...plus... |
I pointed out countries like Japan and Italy with low fertility and negative population growth. I think from memory there are 6 - 12 such countries (if you ignore immigration). So we have clear evidence that people can control their fertility without being forced to do so.
| theseldomscene wrote: | from you talks with plot...you are building a world of potential incest...
for if people could have sex with other people...and in that sex love one another like their own children...that has the potential to lead to some sick confusion..it is kind of disturbing and sick to me... |
In fact the opposite is likely to be true. If you loved everyone like your own children you might not be able to find ANYONE you feel able to have sex with! But see above I have modified that rule slightly which should overcome this objection.
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atoz
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| Argenta wrote: |
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***Late breaking news added***
I have just read the report by Dr. Marco Iacoboni, a neuroscientist at the University of California, Los Angeles, in which he claims to have identified the actual brain cells in humans that are responsible for empathy. Not too surprising as these cells were found in primates some time ago (primates have empathy too) but this eliminates another hiding place for the "soul" and shows how close we are to our evolutionary cousins.
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Argenta,
Please ask Dr. MI, if he found any words or sounds or pictures in the braincells!smile
After all, they are all there in those neuro-chemicals,
and so are stored in us and as us---so he MUST be able to find them!
Maybe he needs more monetary grants for more powerful atomic microscopes?
Please keep me updated!smile
in the aisle of view and not holding my breath,smile
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:39 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Argenta"] | Quote: | | Somehow I doubt that you are taking this discussion seriously TSS... |
well argenta...it is hard to take the stuff you are sayig here serious...i mean...just listen to yourself...
| Quote: | | And I really don't want to spend my time dancing in circles with you. |
then step and answer honestly argenta...
| Quote: | | Let's either have a debate with the serious intent of making progress or forget it. |
so you are saying you cannot respond...
| Quote: | When I said there is no evidence of life after death you replied "oh sure there is argenta...plenty of it..." And you challenged me to show evidence that there is no soul that could survive death. So I'll make one last attempt to debate with you. You show me your evidence (plenty of it) and I'll show you mine. OK?
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why?...you only said there was none...i am the one who challenged you first...sounds like you are circle running here argenta...
good for you...
| Quote: | The main evidence against a soul comes from our increasing understanding of how the brain works. Although, the brain is understood only at a high level, we do understand what many different parts of the brain do. We can be quite sure that our senses (vision, hearing, tastes etc), personality, emotions, reasoning, memory, behaviours, locomotion, recognition of objects, words, people etc, even our facial expressions arise from different parts of the brain. We know that because when specific parts of the brain are damaged, say after an accident or stroke, then the corresponding function ceases to work.
If any of these things arose from a non-material soul that could survive death, we could expect those aspects also to survive brain damage. But nothing, so far as we currently know does. Indeed there is a huge amount of evidence from neurology and psychology showing that everything that is human about us is a result of a physical brain. So there seems to be no room left for an invulnerable soul. |
none of this is anything...look...
| Quote: | ***Late breaking news added***
I have just read the report by Dr. Marco Iacoboni, a neuroscientist at the University of California, Los Angeles, in which he claims to have identified the actual brain cells in humans that are responsible for empathy. Not too surprising as these cells were found in primates some time ago (primates have empathy too) but this eliminates another hiding place for the "soul" and shows how close we are to our evolutionary cousins. |
oh big fat deal....i have personally seen elephants crying...yes crying...as a family member of theirs died...and they would stroke it with their trucks....while they creid...and you are saying you needed a brain study to find this out...wow...
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| Quote: | | Ok challenge this by all means but now it's your turn to show me real concrete evidence that a non-material soul exists that can survive brain death. Please be serious and do not quote the Bible--we both know that is not evidence. |
please be serious and read the top of the age...for the bible is what this place is for...if you don't like that argenta...too bad...the bible is all i have to post and all i will post and YOU have shown NO evidence at all to support no life after death...
so since this is bible discussion...i challenge you to show iwth scripture what you say is true...
if you can not...then i willknow you came to a bible discussion site, unable to properly discuss any thing about it...thatis sad...
| Quote: | | This is important for both of us, after all we are both betting our lives on it |
no maam....it s no gamble...at all..
love tss... |
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[quote="Argenta | Quote: | "] | theseldomscene wrote: | plus i don't think you addressed my concern about your world enough...
for if it is as you say...do you give them birth control for the start...?... |
I would give them intelligence; they would be able to work out birth control just like we humans did. |
and this is the beginning of the downfall in your stand...for to do so like we humans did...would take the time we humans took to do so...and with NO natural disasters, wars, or violence...then by the time they figured it out...the enviroment is destroyed from the over population problem...
| Quote: | | theseldomscene wrote: | | like with no wars...no drunk drivers...no violence...no disasters....no speeders...no real risk takers, because if they die taking a risk they would hurt someone, like their mommies... |
In my world people have free will so we cannot rule out violence (presumably primarily from disturbed individuals), or speedsters and why wouldn't there be risk-takers? Of course there would. Nothing in my design would prevent people from taking risks. |
of course it would...for if one loved everyone like on of their children...then they must likewise love themselves as one of their children...and none wish to see their children taking unnecessary risk...now would they?...
| Quote: | | theseldomscene wrote: | there is no way unless you restrict their freewill will you would give them, or implimenting some type of forced birth control that the population could be kept under control...
if you made them naturall to only bew able to have two kids...that would be ok since you are god and all and they would never know anything else so it would be normal...if however, you left it up to them, then there would be an over population problem...if however, you stopped them later, then any about the matter is freewill is gone...plus... |
I pointed out countries like Japan and Italy with low fertility and negative population growth. I think from memory there are 6 - 12 such countries (if you ignore immigration). So we have clear evidence that people can control their fertility without being forced to do so. |
oh but please stop dancing argenta ...for you said out of your own mouth...'like we humans do'...so tellme...how long have these countries been on the decline in population...and what would the state of those countries be now with no disasters war or violence through out their history..
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Para usted, Argenta!smile
"Science says:
before anything else, love yourself,
for everything in the world is based on personal interest."
- Lujin of Dostoyevsky's Crime and Punishment
Hmmmmm
What does that sound like?
Matthew 22:
35Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
36Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37Jesus said unto him,
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38This is the first and great commandment.
39And the second is like unto it [the first],
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
And you know,
God teaches us to first love ourselves by loving ourselves as Him and all others, in other words, as all words,
so we can love God and all others back as ourselves!!!!!
So neat.
So beautiful.
So elegant.
So simple.
So genius.
So child-like.
So innocent.
So honest.
So inspiring.
And what do even scientists say?
Elegance of hypothesis
In evaluating a hypothesis,
scientists tend to look for theories that are "elegant" or "beautiful".
In contrast to the usual English use of these terms, scientists have more specific meanings in mind. "Elegance" (or "beauty") refers to the ability of a theory to neatly explain as many of the known facts as possible, as simply as possible,
or at least in a manner consistent with Occam's Razor while at the same time being aesthetically pleasing.
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Intelligence_Intensification/Proofs
in the elegant beauty and beautiful elegance of the aisle of view,
atoz |
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