Acceptable losses

Pondering · Lion King Joined: 15 Sep 2005 Posts: 1273

FFT...I'll eat as many hats as fit in a tractor trailer if Bush doesn't leave office in January 2009.

It. Will. Never. Happen.

saintmichaeldefendthem · Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 4:14 pm Post subject:

Presidents are strictly limited to 2 terms. Even if there was a law created that would allow a president to remain in office after his term expires in the event of an emergency, this law would be negated when challenged in the Supreme Court. The Constitution is just that clear.

Contrast that to Congress where you have fat cats like Sen. Kennedy who has remained in office long past his usefulness, and has so corrupted his office and the Massechusetts voting system that every opposing candidate is rigged to fail. Where's the checks and limits on Congress?

Seldom,

I already told you what I intend to do. I will vote for those candidates that reflect my political beliefs and not settle for facsist republocrats

Blessed be God forever

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

vote for JESUS... Very Happy

45degreeN · Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:57 am Post subject:

This started as a commentary on the evangelicals voluntarily removing themselves from the electorate by not voting. Simply because they couldn't approve of their block voting for anyone who is electable.

It seems that Bush fooled them into thinking that he somehow (I cant imagine) pretended to be one of them and has since proven himself otherwise.

The Christian right wing has been a rather on again off again supporter of republican issues and Who knows what they will think when one of this new crop of candidates gets elected. Come Jan '09 someone besides Bush will be in the white house. Pondering wont have to eat any of those hats.

saintmichaeldefendthem · Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:28 pm Post subject:

I'm actually not terrified of Hillary Clinton becoming president. (not that she has my vote by a long shot). Yes, she is just as corrupt and evil as her husband, and unfortunately not as inept or lazy, but a part of me hopes she wins.

What I'm really longing for is the expediting of the fulfillment of prophesy. I am thrilled to be a part of the generation that will likely experience the final tribulation. It will be the Church's finest hour, and in the end, I know who wins. Somehow I believe Clinton will further us toward this fulfillment, and I am unafraid to make my stand for Christ in the midst of persecutions. To a degree this is already happening, but I believe in our lifetime we will see the reign of the antichrist over a one world government. We have the technology and will for all nations to surrender their sovereignty to a single world leader.

He who testifies to these things says, "Surely I am coming quickly." Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus!
Rev 22:20

I think cowardly and corrupt Republicans can accomplish the same thing. I just think Clinton will do it faster.

Dominus Flevit

lone-traveler · Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 1:39 pm Post subject:

saintmichaeldefendthem · Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 5:43 pm Post subject:

I think your eschatology is myopic. You are describing the wrath of God that will befall the earth after we are taken away. This denouement must be distinguished from the Great Tribulation, which is described as "a time of testing" in contrast to the time of God's wrath.

Jesus used Noah and Lot as examples of the sequence of events. Once the righteous are snatched away and preserved, the wrath of God falls with no further delay. Peter says that we are "a royal priesthood", interceding on behalf of the people of the world. Once the priesthood is raptured, nothing stands between the world and what it so richly deserves.

But of the people of God, "For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ." 1Thes 5:9 And this is exactly the picture Jesus was painting for us in citing the examples he did.

The Church will endure the Tribulation, the question is, will we dread it, or look eagerly toward it? Will we dread the pain of flogging, or look past it to the intense joy the Apostles felt at having been persecuted for Christ's sake? We love to talk about being Christ-like in beatitude laden homilies, but really we are most like Christ when we suffer with and for Him. I do pray for this.

By the way, I would recommend a very good book, The Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church by Marvin Rosenthal. Having been a "pretribber" for 30 years, he challenged the established notions of eschatology and he did it with Scripture. His analysis is nothing short of brilliant.

In Christ's most Sacred Heart

lone-traveler · Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:31 pm Post subject:

saintmichaeldefendthem · Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:56 am Post subject:

lone-traveler · Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:53 am Post subject:

Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Very Happy

I'm not the self-righteous one condemning the whole world just to save my own buttocks.. Smile

45degreeN · Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 7:54 am Post subject:

This thread seems to have ventured into the subject matter of another forum the end times forum. So lets go there to finish it OK.