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atoz
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 Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:05 pm Post subject: Is G-d a Promise-Breaker who breaks His promises? |
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Numbers 14:
34After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years,
and ye shall know My Breach Of Promise.
To One and All:
Anybody want to kindly explain to me how God is NOT a liar when he Himself calls Himself a Contract Breecher and a Promise Breaker who breaks His promises and breeches His contracts?
in Love of liars so I can love God as one as per 1 John 4:20 and matthew 25:35-45 and so that I can NOT be a liar about Love when I say that I love God unconditionally under all conditions and their opposites just as He unconditionally loves me as per Matthew 5:43-48,
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AMK
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:00 am Post subject: |
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God is not a lier. God knows exactly what he is doing regardless of how we want to look at it 
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atoz
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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| AMK wrote: | | God is not a lier. God knows exactly what he is doing regardless of how we want to look at it |
amk!smile
so what do u think this means?
rom 4 :17(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed,
even God, who quickeneth the dead,
and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
who calls things that are not so as if they are so?smile
then see 1 john 4:20.
in love,
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eleven
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:07 am Post subject: |
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atoz wrote:
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Numbers 14:
34After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years,
and ye shall know My Breach Of Promise.
To One and All:
Anybody want to kindly explain to me how God is NOT a liar when he Himself calls Himself a Contract Breecher and a Promise Breaker who breaks His promises and breeches His contracts? |
What was the original promise?
It was to give the Israelites the land of the Caananites.
He did that. There was no breech on God's part.
In order to have a promise, you have to have a giver (God) and a receiver (people). But some of the people refused the gift. God made the promise, people rejected it. So all God did was say, fine, you don't want it? Have it your way. God never broke a promise for those who receive it. |
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atoz
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:48 am Post subject: |
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| eleven wrote: |
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What was the original promise?
It was to give the Israelites the land of the Caananites.
He did that. There was no breech on God's part.
In order to have a promise, you have to have a giver (God) and a receiver (people). But some of the people refused the gift. God made the promise, people rejected it. So all God did was say, fine, you don't want it? Have it your way. God never broke a promise for those who receive it. |
Hi Eleven,
that's the perfect explanation as to Matthew 25:28-29: God takes from the one who has less and gives to the one who has more simply because they who have less, In Hate of being less or having less, don't want it and give it back and so God takes it back!smile
But the promise God was breaking was the promise he had made to all to take them all into the Promised Land: except for Caleb & family because he was in Love and had Love in him, God was not going to bring any one 20 years of age and over : they wd not be going: but God wd keep His promise to those under 20.
Numbers 14:20-34.
And xi, the crucial q, even if you think God does not lie is: wd you love God as a liar---wd you lvoe Him if he ever lied---do you lvoe God unconditionally as friend and enemy, as truthteller and as liar?
see what I mean?
with all Love and R,
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eleven
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:52 am Post subject: |
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atoz wrote:
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And xi, the crucial q, even if you think God does not lie is: wd you love God as a liar---wd you lvoe Him if he ever lied---do you lvoe God unconditionally as friend and enemy, as truthteller and as liar?
see what I mean? |
I cannot comprehend God as a liar because lying is a deception, and God is not capable of that. I can see God as an enemy, however, but only from the viewpoint of the human ego.
We tend to blame God when things don't go our way, or prayer is not answered the way we think it should be answered, or (and this is my favorite) when people think God sent them cancer or some catastrophe - just to teach them a lesson. God is not cruel. He is however, misunderstood. So in our minds, He becomes an enemy, and people still love Him.
But that is our faulty perceptions. God is not a liar, He is not our enemy. He is not a promise breaker or an "indian giver". God is unconditional love - nothing less. |
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AMK
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:49 pm Post subject: Thinking of God not being Cruel? |
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I am wrestling with God letting Satan tempt Job. That was ok as long as Satan did not touch Job, But yet it was ok for Satan to destroy the house of Jobs sons who were killed? If this is not cruelty on Gods part what is it? Love? And why did God let satan near job in the first place? Just to prove a point? If thats not cruelty then what is it? Love?
Actualy from Gods perspective I beleave its exactly Love! Do I understand that? No, But I am not God
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AMK
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | so what do u think this means?
rom 4 :17(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, |
Our ways and rules ect ect ect are not gods ways. How can we ever understand God? Easy: Were not supposed to understand God, Just know that he is who he is. We have a rule for a lier. We invented it We made it. God is not the author.
| Quote: | | then see 1 john 4:20. |
1 John 4:20 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)
If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
I get the point, But I don,t see the connection?
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atoz
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| AMK wrote: | | Quote: | so what do u think this means?
rom 4 :17(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, |
Our ways and rules ect ect ect are not gods ways. How can we ever understand God? Easy: Were not supposed to understand God, Just know that he is who he is. We have a rule for a lier. We invented it We made it. God is not the author.
| Quote: | | then see 1 john 4:20. |
1 John 4:20 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)
If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
I get the point, But I don,t see the connection? |
Amk,
God Himself defines Himself as a liar in His Own words in Romans 4:17---to show me that if i hate you as a liar, I hate Him Who defines Himself as a liar in Rom 4:17!!!! That is the point of 1 John 4:20:
Normally, smile, we hate others because they are bad in our eyes.
So if you are a liar, let's say,
and I hate you as a liar,
while at the same time I am telling God how I so love Him BECAUSE He is NOT a liar like you are,
---do you see?---
then it must mean that i also hate God as a liar too ---even IF he never lies,---- and to confirm it, God Himself defines Himself as liar in His own words in His own word!!
see?
He hides that He is a liar by saying it in other words!
Hiding it right under our noses!
Amk, it applies to any word---which is why we have Matthew 25:35-45: Inasmuch as I love or hate you ANY words, I also love and hate God as those words since God loves Himself as all words and so IS all words!
That is why, AMK, God calls himself: I Am What I am! meaning any word I THINK is what & who God is!Exod 4:15.
God is AMK and amk is God!
Is why we have Luke 18:9-14:
It's like me praying to God saying:
God I so hate amk, that I am so thankful that I am NOT as amk is, which is only why I know you love me so mush,
and MOST of ALL I am so glad that YOU God are NOT like other men are---which is the only reason I lvoe you SO much!!---
while i am actually lying when I say I love God since God is like all men are---which is why to hate any man as any words is to hate God as those words!
God wants us to know and understand who he is by first LOVING ourselves as Him so we can love Him as us:
1 John 4:7-8: He is US and we are HIM!
God says to us: Get understanding with all your might! Prov 4:4.
Please ask more questions, amk.
God hardly lies, amk!
He 99.9% tells the truth in Love, the truth that hardly anyone beleives---which is the main way he 'lies': by telling the truths no one beleives: the truth that is not beleived might as well be a lie---just as the lies that are beleived might as well be the truth.
see?
with all Love and R that understands that the words 'Fly me to the moon' mean 'I love you!' smile, just as the words 'I call those things that are not as tho they are' mean I am a liar---in Love,
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Nobby
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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atoz, Is not telling a person something you know the same as lieing to them?? If so there is a lot of things that I'm lieing to you about!!
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atoz
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:52 am Post subject: |
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| Nobby wrote: | | atoz, Is not telling a person something you know the same as lieing to them?? If so there is a lot of things that I'm lieing to you about!! |
Nobby!smile
No, Nobby you are NOT lying when you do not tell any person all you know about what they want to know: but you LOOK or SOUND or FEEL like a liar since liars do alsodo the same thing: hide the truth -----by their lies!
see?
So, yes, there are a lot of things that you SOUND or FEEL or LOOK like if you are lying about---even when you are NOT lying!smile
This stuff of Love forces us to think more ---and so to think like JC: Phil 2:5!smile
That is why God hides the truth in Love in parables, for example, so that without lying he looks or sounds like a liar...so that I can't come around and hate liars without hating God who looks like one, and i, without Love of liars, can't stand to look like a liar and so MUST always be blurting out all my business and be the biggest gossip abd busybody in every body's business, and who can't ever tell a lie, to make sure i don't ever look like or sound like a liar!
see?
So only Love for myself as a liar helps me to stand or bear to look or feel or sound like a liar when not blurting out all I know---even when NOT lying.
1 cor 13:7-8.
Nobby, that is why people who hate liars have a hard time taking the 5th or not thinking of anyone who takes the 5th as a liar!
This is why people get upset when you ask them how much money they make: they will not tell you and so they sound like liars: they are upset because you force them to sound or look or feel like they are lying!
In the Love in which God hides the truth, Matthew 13:11-13, 34 and Prov 25:2, and looks or sounds like a liar without lying,
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AMK
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | then it must mean that i also hate God as a liar too ---even IF he never lies,---- and to confirm it, God Himself defines Himself as liar in His own words in His own word!!
see?
He hides that He is a liar by saying it in other words!
Hiding it right under our noses! |
At first glance to a reader, They would think you were nuts, But if only they knew me When I read the above I was already thinking on what you wrote below:
| Quote: | Amk, it applies to any word---which is why we have Matthew 25:35-45: Inasmuch as I love or hate you ANY words, I also love and hate God as those words since God loves Himself as all words and so IS all words!
That is why, AMK, God calls himself: I Am What I am! meaning any word I THINK is what & who God is!Exod 4:15. |
God is AMK and amk is God!
Is why we have Luke 18:9-14:
It's like me praying to God saying:
God I so hate amk, that I am so thankful that I am NOT as amk is, which is only why I know you love me so mush,
and MOST of ALL I am so glad that YOU God are NOT like other men are---which is the only reason I lvoe you SO much!!---
while i am actually lying when I say I love God since God is like all men are---which is why to hate any man as any words is to hate God as those words!
God wants us to know and understand who he is by first LOVING ourselves as Him so we can love Him as us:
1 John 4:7-8: He is US and we are HIM!
God says to us: Get understanding with all your might! Prov 4:4.
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| Quote: | God hardly lies, amk!
He 99.9% tells the truth in Love, the truth that hardly anyone beleives---which is the main way he 'lies': by telling the truths no one beleives: the truth that is not beleived might as well be a lie---just as the lies that are beleived might as well be the truth.
see? |
Yes I see that. And well quoted if you don,t mind the mention 
| Quote: | | Please ask more questions, amk |
You know I will Im sending a pm too!
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atoz
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:55 am Post subject: |
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"Love of order and chaos
halves the chaos
and doubles the order."
AMK
Simply awefull, 'full' being more than 'some!'smile
with all L&R,
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:04 am Post subject: Re: Is G-d a Promise-Breaker who breaks His promises? |
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God promises have ALWAYS been on condition....of obedience.
Adam and Eve had immortaility as long as they obeyed God.
When they disobeyed God.....they were denied access to the Tree of Life, and they would die.
That lesson was to teach everyone, that there will be absolutely no immortal sinner, in the universe, anywhere.
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AMK
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:39 am Post subject: Re: Is G-d a Promise-Breaker who breaks His promises? |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | God promises have ALWAYS been on condition....of obedience.
Adam and Eve had immortaility as long as they obeyed God.
When they disobeyed God.....they were denied access to the Tree of Life, and they would die.
That lesson was to teach everyone, that there will be absolutely no immortal sinner, in the universe, anywhere. |
I got the impression that the lesson was to teach us that there would be.
"Had immortality as long as they obeyed God" Already implies that they can make that choice. True that God let the tempter loose, But even still, If they should have had no problem to restrain. Unless they were still subject to sin? Which in this case they were!
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